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I plan on getting rips from GD any body try em. is he g2g

If its who I'm thinking, they are not a sponsor here, but yes I have used them twice before. Not the quickest or cheapest, but definitely legit product.

Also want to add, there are many more variables that people don't take into account when reporting how they feel or their side effects. Remember Steven Murphy and his HGH from Pro Muscle where everyone was reporting great sleep, vivid dreams, CTS, etc... only to find out it was completely bunk and fake GH.

You would think so but in real life for example Rips cause far more water retention than any other generics for most users. And it's not because it's higher dosed. I got disgusting water retention just using 3-4 ius of Rips than I did using 10ius of Novos and Thanks. And the Novos I was using tested at a bit over 20ng/ml. Also, a person I know who uses pharm grade insists that Huma will knock him out way more than the Seros or Nordis. Meaning that even at 2ius he can barely stay awake. Not the case with Seros. Also, he doesn't hold as much water and never got CTS from the Nordis. So it seems all gh are not made the same (they aren't) and have different effects.

When you think about it that doesn't make much sense. In other words you are saying that someone taking Serostim will have different side effects than someone taking the exact same amount of Humatrope. Why would they put something in the Humatrope to make you goto sleep? Since it is FDA regulated and legit then wouldn't there be lawsuits from people taking it and driving or operating machinery and falling asleep. Wouldn't they then change the fillers so they don't have that effect to protect themselves? Do you really think that there are fillers that Eli Lilly are using that are different than Serono's and in great enough quantity to have these kinds of effects? Why would they add something that has drug like effects to a regulated drug? These pharmaceutical companies are all about protecting their ass, they are not gonna risk putting something in their product that has side effects in itself.

By the way I am Rips right now and have been since roughly mid-december at 4iu per day.; switched over from the same dosage of Thanktropins. The first week I gained 5 pounds of water but by the end of the second week I had lost it all. I also serum tested at 19.8 on the Thanks a couple weeks prior and 35.1 on Rips. I atribute the weight gain to the fact that my dosage was probably almost doubled based on the serum tests.

It's not that. It's opposite.

 

It's what else is in this generic GH. The filler doesn't really make the proportions similar, but there's some very good generic GH out there.

And what filler are these that they use and how specifically do they effect the body? or is this just broscience? Seriously I am not sure why they would use any different fillers than pharm grade, its not like the fillers are expensive or hard to get. And why would they use fillers that would adversely effect the product. Lets use some logic and common sense here.

It doesn't matter if it's Pharm grade or generic GH. If both have actual GH in them, then one is not going to kick in quicker than the other. It just doesn't work that way.

Exactly!! I don't get understand why people don't get this. For some reason they think that there is something magical in pharm grade GH.

My friend just tested them right after they went in break, came back at 11...I'd go with thanks anyday

If I recall correctly wasn't there some shipping issues where they were shipped incorrectly and took excessivelly long to get here from China and you guys suspected that the low value on the serum test was due to degradation? And if I recall correctly wasn't the rep going to take care of you when things open back up? If so, then how is the serum results from this test even pertinent and why would you post this?

Not doubting you but how do you know this? This seems like company inside information. How are you able to get access to the "full story"?

I wish I had inside information but I am just another nobody. Anyway, TP posted it himself in a thread about a week ago where people were posting about having a problem with the serial numbers on the website.

Those are generics for sure.

 

FWIW - Some other people have been having issues with the serial #'s not validating on the Rips. Makes you wonder...

This is how FALSE rumours get started. The website was a little behind in updating the numbers from the latest batches. As of last week everything was taken care of and those whose numbers weren't working are now working fine. When you say "it makes you wonder", the only thing it makes me wonder is why people post shit without knowing the full story.

TP cleared out his email space. Sent him an email with my concern and pics of what I was sent. Going to see how he handles this.

Since you can't see the thread anymore, TP just posted that they are definitely not Rips and he is going to figure out what is going on and e-mail you and sort it out.

You guys are making this way more complicated than it is. A serum GH test is exactly that, it measures how much GH is in your blood at the time your blood is drawn; nothing more, nothing less. It is the same as if you have your test levels, cholesterol level, potassium, etc... measured. This is not broscience this is real science in that it measures exactly what it says its measuring; meaning that it is extremely reliable. It is also very accurate and the chances that the number you get is worng is the same as for most other lab tests. So for those saying that the test is unreliable or inaccurate; this just isn't so. With that said, the number will vary from person to person as everyone responds to different drugs differently. In addition there can be different aborption rates between people. The key is consistency within an individual. In other words, for the numbers to be truly meaningful you need to have the same person repeat the test in the same exact manner with different brands of the GH. If you take someone like Osiris from PM, he has taken a million of these tests and his numbers are extremely consistent on repeat tests for the same brand. With that said, there is no way to know the purity.

Another issue I want to address briefly is the continual bashing of generic GH saying that it doesn't compare to pharmaceutical. This is once again broscience. If you have exactly 10iu of generic GH product and compare it to 10iu of pharma GH, there is no difference. To say they are different would be like saying that 200mg of watson test cyp is better than 200mg of Defiant test cyp becuase Defiant is generic(Its kinda funny because I used to always here people bragg about Upjohn test cyp and talk about how much better results people were getting, which we all know now is bullshit as there is nothing special about pharma grade AAS that gives you better results than accurately dosed UG). If the contents is the same then your body doesn't know the difference. Now I am not saying that all generic GH is comparable to pharma GH, but some of the generics have been shown to contain 10iu or more, and if they contain 10iu then the body's response is the same; there is no science that says otherwise. In addition, I have been using GH since the early 90's. Back then I didn't have the choice of using generic. I can tell you from personal experience that the results, side effects, and blood work is no different for me between generics and pharma.

Hopes this makes sense as I don't think people fully understand what these tests are and there seems to be a lot of misinformation out there on GH. Its the same as taking testosterone and getting your serum test levels measured. The only difference is that there is a short window where it peaks and everyones windows may be slightly different.

Here is what happens. The U.S. has a list of people that WU is not allowed to business with. Many times when sending money the name you are sending to matches a name on the list(usually not the person on the list but just someone with the same name as many people have the same name). When that person goes to pickup the funds, when they supply id, they are then able to determine if it is the person who is restricted or not and will then pay out if they are not. Hope that makes sense.

Anybody here have any experience with the blacktops?? Been hearing good things but I wanna hear from somebody thats used em

If you are referring to the Eli's I scored 23.7. For comparison I scored 35.0 on Rips and 21.0 on Novos. My tests were done back in december and the beginning of january.

What facts, I haven't seen king deacon provide any facts? Just speculation at this point.

You are correct. However, I think you have been around long enough and are smart enough to get the sense that KD is not making this up. Everyone wants to discredit him because he is stirring up drama and has offended one of our top sponsors; not because what he says doesn't make sense or reeks of lies.

We use Mao for hgh and tabs and have never had a complaint about either. It's another thing to call someone a scammer as a sponsor I don't take them accusations lightly,u better gave some real good evidence to accuse someone of being a scammer. I have a cpl of friends using the clen,var and dbol and not one issue, they are all working as they should.

Guys, maybe I am the only one, but I am going to back up KD here. Lets look at the facts:

1. He purchased bunk clen from Mao and Mao admits it was bunk but isn't going to send him a replacement without him placing another order.

2. Other people are stating that there is a lot of other bunk gear from Mao floating around, not just the clen.

3. Mag jumps in and states that he uses Mao for tabs and GH and gives the kid a hard time when the kid has not posted anything but the truth about what happened.

4. The kid doesn't like how Mag came at him and fires back that if he is using Mao for tabs and GH and Mao is putting out bunk or low quality items then by the transitive property Mag needs to check his items because there is obviously a possibility that he got screwed my Mao too.

Its all pretty simple. Everyone needs to put down the tren and calm down and look at the facts and take the emotions out of it. I know Mag is great source who is highly respected and everyone is going to come to his rescue and jump on the kid, but I don't think he did anything wrong. Mag was simply standing up for and backing his supplier but can you guys not see how his post would be offensive to someone who just purchased bunk clen from Mao especially when Mao even admitted is was bunk?

She has recently started seeing a early menstral cycle occure within 2 weeks of her last period.

My wife has been doing 2iuu per day for several months. Before she started the GH her cycle was exactly spot on and predictable. When she started the GH at first we got scared and thought she might be preganant because she was 2 weeks late. Since then she has been about a week or so early every month. I am not sure why or how the GH effects things; but it does. I wouldn't worry about it.

It depends on the chef. I love a good water based suspension that is painless and flows through a 27. Those that have been around for a while will remember the old Steris and Univet suspensions; both potent as hell. Dpharm was really good too. Unfortunately most of the UG's these days don't take the time and care needed to make it properly and hence it has gotten a bad rap because it ends up hurthing like a motherfucker and clogging a 25.

Oh myo, it's nice to see a guy can be honest that serotism is way over rated. I swear the guys that use sero's and say it's way better then good generics just say that to justify the outrageous price they pay for them. Gh is gh last time I checked and rips constantly test at very high numbers.

I love serostim but have to agree that it is overated. I have been using Thanktropins since shortly after ORD and primarily legit serostims before. At one point I switched back and forth between the 2 and noticed no difference whatsoever. I get my blood work done every so often and my IGF-1 levels were actually a tad higher on the Thanks(less than 20 points).

ok JJ-insane1 I wasn't here to read what was said on the first post so I'll look the other way but I wont forget what i said in your first warning. whatever you said I know it was stupid and deserve flaming. there are things that need to be learned without having to be taught word by word. as for pain with shots, anything can cause pain and there are many reasons why. unless the lab guarantees pain free and offers money back you just gotta use that up or switch brands. next stupid thing I hear from you I will personally ban you myself! and fellas lets not get into the whole political things here.

He posted the sources name with the location the package was shipped from(as well as date ordered, date received, and method of payment). I just cant fathom the stupidity. The hell with banning, the dude should be shot.

Jeez, edit that post young man asap. What are you fucking stupid? I suppose if you had used moneygram instead of western union or received on a different day that would probably have effected how sore you are. Sorry for the rant, but damn, this has got to be one of the dumbest posts I have seen in a long time and you should be blacklisted from every source on this board for risking security like that.

TIBH, I think he might be a member here not sure.

You wouldn't happen to know the batch #?

pics don't mean shit!

you can always take a pic of your friend/buddy and make it look like it's you, it means shit on the internet.

 

When it comes to the printed kigs it is bunk, bunk means the company puts out good vials w/ bad vials, some of the vials are nothing but glucose, some of them are small amount of ghrp mixed w/ filler and some of them are low dose gh 2-4 iu/vial .

 

The stamped ones are legit w/ majority of them, still few of them twards december were bunk since company went SCAMMING. the legit ones are 15ius those are the ones who came from you back in october.

 

i really dont need to say muchmore. Go check those vials i know gh like i know my hand. im now on thanks and this is by far the best gh, most consistant gh, closest to pharmagrade gh out there. the first batch from you of kigtropin was pharmagrade gh. it was crazy strong and high purity. 15iu/vial. go test the vials spend the money to see i was right. someone already tested them in europe i think his name is rhino he is not lying about this.

 

you are acting like someone said you were in the wrong. no one said anything about you. everyone bitch about china. you didnt do anything wrong you sold product you thought was perfect because it WAS perfect. kigtropin you brought out in october were pharmagrade, i was on it and the physiqe was crazy sharp in matter of days. lines were all there veins were all over delts im talking small veins that only come out when you are lean enough down in the mid singles. water retention was low.

Some contain glucose, some ghrp, and some 2-4iu GH? Seriously???? Some of these stories of people "in the know" are quite ridiculous. Why would they goto all the trouble of varying the vials like that when in either scenario the contents is pretty much useless. Then you go onto say that the previous batches were 15iu pharmgrade. Pharm grade means in excess of 99% purity with no fillers, binders, dyes, etc... For anyone to think that you are able to tell the difference between something that is over 99% pure and something that is say mid 90's is ridiculous as wells as to be able to tell how many iu is in each vial. Lastly, this rhino character has been around on other boards for a while and a pathological liar. I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of his mouth if his tongue came notarized. Bottom line, I think we can all agree that the printed kigs are useless and the stamped are hit or miss depending on date shipped. But to start talking about contents and be so insistent is pointless unless you have a lab test to back it up.

Ronus and Jaydog have been around the block and they've done biz with numerous sources and members (that's "part" of it). Jaydog brewed for a lot of guys - LE doesn't know those source names (nor the real names and any associated addy's, phone digits, etc) or what boards their at and who they do biz with (other raw suppliers, associated help, etc...). RoANUS and Jdog are able to not only provide those specific details, but their also able to view the current interactions here and wherever else their allowed, and give some added play by play updates that help LE to add more detail to the cases their building.

When LE doesn't have access to info like these guys are updating current interactions, then LE squanders time and resources that typically lead them nowhere toward any actual convictions.

That's why any known handles that guys like RoANUS and Jdog are showing up as need to be banned. If they can sneak back in undetected, oh well - at least what could be done proactively by banning their known handles was at the very least a speed bump. But knowing their here and allowing it is essentially the same thing as contacting LE and inviting them on board. RoANUS and Jdog are actively operating as Feds, just think of it that way. Any intell they can update LE with is good for them, and bad for this place.

 

I'm not going to walk you through the ABC's of every aspect, you have to sensibly put 2 and 2 together for yourself. It's not rocket science. And you don't have to have been around as long as I have and watched how all these busts are put together, what the intell for them was, what the followup is and the fallout is, and how it all methodically ticks like a watch movement. But it helps.

You do everything you can to keep them out, and avoid as much as possible anything that makes it easier for LE to do what they do against our community.

 

I can't make the point any clearer than that. I'm not going to write a fucking autographed book for you. Comprendo?

I still don't get what you are saying and you still haven't answered others questions. In other words, suppose K bans "Ronus" and "jdog" and they create new handles of "beavis" and "butthead". How are they going to obtain more information on their handles of Ronus and jdog than on their handles of beavis and butthead? They don't have any special access to any parts of the board under their original handles so what does it matter what handle they use? At least under their original handles you know who you are dealing with and aren't going to get fooled.

Don't mean to sound like a dick, but I am still waiting for someone to post some useful info on how these supposed fakes differ in packaging than the originals(if they are fake there must be something about them that is different other than you did not like the results.). Everyone has good cycles and bad cycles, so just because the results were not the same does not make them fake.

Sorry guys but there are NO FAKES. Yes, there are rumours of fakes but nobody yet has been able to post a pic of the supposed fake and a pic of the real for comparison.

I have posted on this topic before but see a need to post again as the misinformation out there is astounding. The bottom line is that THERE ARE NO FAKE ICN'S TO DATE!!!!!!!!

A couple of issues to address:

1.) They did change the design over the past year which explains the difference people are reporting.

2.) It is sold readily and for dirt cheap in Yugoslavia; that is why the sources you see selling them are from Yugoslavia. An analogy would be saying that all sources selling fake QV are from Mexico.

3.) People are talking about different lot numbers being fake. If someone is going to make a fake, they are going to mass produce them and not bother to change the Lot# on some of

them.

4.) I have used most of the Lot#'s posted and they are fine.

Whenever people have a bad cycle they have a tendancy to blame it on the gear and say that the gear is underdosed or fake.