muscle96ss

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By the way, if you have only known IM for 10 years, that means I have known him much longer than you have. His actions recently have left a very bitter taste in my mouth. I am disappointed in him because up until this point, I have always considered him to be an objective, fair, unbiased Moderator. My opinion of him recently has changed. If he wants to ban me permanently for saying this, then I have no problem with that. It shows I am a bigger Man than him. It is the unfair, biased Mods who are typically the ones who hand out many bans, such as how when he banned me for 10 days for voicing my concerns and distaste for many of the things HGHPro was doing. I was very vocal in my criticism of HGHPro, and it got me banned for 10 days. Whatever dude.

 

You calling me a "douche"...I will take the high road and leave that one alone. The fact you have (42) posts in (12) years....I do not place a huge premium on your opinion of me Tommy Guns. I do not consider you a valuable contributor to this board. But surely you can have any opinion of me you want.

 

Apex, the point of my post was not to embarrass or humiliate or condemn Gage. If that is what you gleaned from reading my post, then you completely misinterpreted my post. I have known Gage for a very long time. Gage is a good Man, a good human being, good Father who has openly talked about his love for his Son several times on the boards over the years. I always admire and respect good Dads, as I hope to become one someday soon myself. I was simply trying to alert him to what myself and others have noticed him doing repeatedly, and that is jumping into threads without being armed with all the facts or posts in that thread. I hope gage can take my post as constructive criticism and try to improve in that area I mentioned to him.

I think if you understood the position the mods are in you would better understand. They have taken a lot of criticism lately that is uncessary. Its like the police, they don't write the law, they simply enforce the law as its written. If you don't like the rules, maybe you should have a private conversation with Admin and understand things from his view, and work to make this a better place.

No, I said that if YOU don't have any evidence of Freedom scamming, then YOU look like a douche. I hope that is a bit more clear.

 

Just curious, is my 42 posts somehow relevant to my question of whether you have evidence of Freedom being a scammer? You specifically stated, "I have never before seen such a dishonest, unethical, shady source as Freedom." Yet, you haven't provided any evidence that the dude is a scammer. Is this meant to be hyperbole or what?

My issue is that he appears to be lying and hiding things; I mean he won't even disclose his carrier oil and selectively answers questions. Why wait until someone becomes a scammer before speaking up and saying that things look real shady. Over the years you learn what traits scammers have in common. And when someone pops up out of nowhere with no history and a list almost identical to another source and labels almost identical to another source as well and has no explanation; doesn't that give you some concern? Especially when he denies being a reseller. I don't think its right to label him a scammer but I also wouldn't recommend giving him the time of day until he can provide truthful answers to explain things.

You need to ask the Moderators and Admin for your $350 back and just leave.

 

If you continue to attempt this scam, you are only going to succeed in pissing off the Moderators and Admin, resulting in you forfeiting your $350 board fee refund.

 

This is your best offer Freedom. I don't need to sell this shit because this kind of shit sells itself.

 

Contact the Admin / Mods. Ask for a $350 refund. Leave.

Why would Admin give any money back; he didn't do anything wrong. It's not his fault this guy doesn't have his shit together.

Most boards offer this function to us and there are a few that don’t.

We only have the right to clean within our thread.

Any other sections on the board where the members discuss issues with us, we have no say or control in.

 

 

Patriotlabs

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What, I thought you were new? What other boards are you on and why don't you have refs?

Hey muscle96ss, a picture of stock would prove nothing at this point and that’s not the way we run things.

 

The reason that the members wanted to see these pictures was for the sole purpose of proving we have stock. I posted this thread which proves just that and certain members just move on to the next conspiracy theory.

 

 

 

 

Patriotlabs

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How does this thread prove that you have stock? How does it prove that you are simply not dropshipping? How hard is it to take a picture; should take about 1 minute? Obviously you have nothing but excuses. If you had the ability to prove people wrong, you would do it in an instant, but instead you refuse to answer pertinent questions. Shit, you are supposedly a brewer but can't even say what kind of oil you use; how fucking lame. Its quite obvious you are hiding things and the more you post the more obvious it becomes that this is not going to end well for you. You have a lot of balls to come here with no history as a new source and then resist answering questions.

Hey muscle96ss no we aren't a reseller, we brew everything ourselves.

Then why can't you post a picture of a bunch of bottles with a piece of paper with todays date. I think that would ease a lot of concerns and has been done many times by sources before because there is no security risk. You do realize that by refusing to post that, people are going to assume, and rightfully so, that you are lying.

Do you brew the products yourself or are you simply a reseller?

Guys be careful, I smell bullshit!!! Peyton and Thai are doing a great job vetting this source so far.

Why does it always seem that these new sources with no prior history always claim that they were just private before and becoming public now. Its also kind of strange that none of their private customers are reputable members on any internet board to validate their telling the truth and the quality of their products. My guess would be that he is simply reselling someone else's products; just my hunch and in no way am I implying that the products aren't good.

This thread has nothing to do with ordering gh, finding a source or using an existing source. I just want to know if anybody knows how to

read lab reports. I just assumed it would be common knowledge for the more experience ones because the mass specs are considered the Gold Standard and then one most valued. It seems odd that these reports are such in demand when so few even know how to read and interpret them.

Send them to Jano, he can tell you what they mean and he is much younger; so he may be actually able to see them. He is quite friendly and loves to talk and explain this stuff. You can tell him I recommended you as he is a friend.

Nobody. I thought we had a few gh experts on board.

I would love to help, but I am old and cannot even come close to reading that small print.

I have been showing my sense of humor and I am very kind, polite, a very generous person and is ok if you don't believe me I wouldn't expect you or anyone on the forum to believe it. I have been attacked for over 2 months and chose to remain quiet but then I thought enough was enough so instead of getting mad at a computer screen with a complete stranger miles away I chose to simply reply with dark humor and sarcasm is all. You have no idea how i am laughing my ass off while I get into it with the "young turds", used to be "the three stooges" but is not the case anymore.

 

No matter what I say or do you guys have simply decided to label me as a scammer. I have said numerous times I already worked a deal with the 2 guys who complained on the forum. Why do you care about the others? Unless you see numerous threads of various members saying the G was bad an so on but there is none. As soon as I saw that test result I got in touch with all my customers who bought the GH and asked the if they had any issues, so far a few replied back saying they didn't others did show concern because of the test result yet told me they are aware of how this whole thing since 2 months back and that they were going to do blood work and if something was wrong they would let me now and I told them I will make them right to them.

 

Also, I have not bought more GH until I get more feedback from my customers and their blood work results. Don't you think that is the ethical thing to do? Of course it is. So for all of these motherfuckers to be pointing their finger at me, a true and proven golden source then you bet your ass I am going to fight back. I dont fight back with threats, I fight back with sarcasm and humor because I know that makes them even angrier and frustrated.

 

Nothing has happened to me, did you think I was a robot? I am human being made of flesh and bones, i love God, my family and this great country of ours first. I am not rich by any means because I have a lot of responsibilities that I have decided to take upon even though I didnt have to but hey when it comes to family and if you can help why not?

 

I am at peace and I dont have beef with you no matter how many times you insult me, that's the real me.

Bro, you are not the victim, quit acting like it. Of course people are going to give you shit; you were selling bunk GH and have a callous attitude about it and still act as if it is legit and have no desire to seek further testing. The beating you are taking is because of how you have chosen to handle situation. Every source runs into problems with their products at one time or another. The golden ones deal with it in a much more mature and responsible manner.

to Tsart of I have low T and when to see my Urologist. The first day he said I need some blood work done to check if my testosterone is really low. Im 28 and people seem to think since Im young im just trying to waste there time. So that day i get blood work and the next day I get a call from my Doc saying before we start you on tRT we most find out why your liver enzymes are very high. The doc told me to see my PCP and follow up. Then a t the end of the conversation I ask about my test levels and he said they are extremely low. I guess my testosterone total is 145 Being a 28 man it been tough. Anyways Im posting my results of the blood work if anyone woul please chime in that would be amazing. With my liver enzymes being so high im really scared. This Friday I will have a ultra sound on my stomach and liver. Im praying nothing horrific comes up.

What over-the-counter or pharmacy drugs are you taking? How much alcohol do you drink? When did you have bloodwork done previously and were the liver enzymes normal then?

All chinese HGH sucks dick.... Do you know how much sodium your injecting when you use that SHIT?

No, I dont', perhaps you could post a lab report showing us the high sodium content and how that extrapolates to ALL Chinese brands.

I'm sure if someone were to invite tp to ab he'd come here now that pd is gone. If he can afford pm outrageous sponser prices ab is a bargain!

I will mention it to him next time we talk.

Thank you for the honest reply. I was talking to some friends of mine and we got into a discussion about growth and how the growth hormone is a 191-amino acid, single-chain polypeptide that is synthesized, stored and secreted by somatotropic cells within the lateral wings of the anterior pituitary gland. GH is a stress hormone that raises the concentration of glucose and free fatty acids and how imperative it is if you do purchase generic that it is 191 because a lot out there are 192 and with that we all know the body produces antibodies.

Not going to go into a lot of detail, but nobody uses 192 anymore; technology for 191 is cheaper and better. It would be like using rotary phones instead of touch tone; old technology and no advantage.

Also, auspex is correct; it must also have the 3-dimensional structure as opposed to just the correct 191aa sequence. However, nobody who has the capability of producing the correct sequence is going to screw up the structure. And while people have stated the theory that generic GH lacks the proper 3D structure I have challenged every one of these people to give me one example of a generic GH where there was any sort of evidence that showed that the structure was incorrect. Guess how many people have stepped up to that challenge?

I think making it private would only lead to a sense of false security. If people are smart and just use some common sense then there really wouldn't be any problems. Its not like anybody is going to read this post and fall for this jokers game.

People really need to start using their brains before trying these new unproven sources and paying attention to the warnings from vets who can spot these scams miles away. It seems to happen over and over again and so much money could be saved. I'm not looking for praise or here to say "I told you so!"; I just want people to pay attention in the future. When someone such as myself posts a warning, its not because I am trying to stir up drama; its because I am trying to help. Take that help and make better choices; rant over.

I have been using Glut for several years from Veterans Supplies on PM. He also sells other things like injectible curcumin, resveratrol, SOD, HA, and many others.

Have you held any drives to see if there's anyone that would be a compatible donor? I know the heart would have to come from a donor that passes away, but a kidney could come from a friend or family member possibly.

My wife was originally planning on taking charge of finding a donor, but once my heart ejection fraction dropped to half of what it was in a 6 week period, I am no longer eligible for a kidney. I just got out of the hospital again almost 2 weeks ago and they anticipate that the heart will recover a good amount over the next 3 months. So they will do another echo down the road and hopefully I will re-establish eligibility for the kidney then.

Since the most recent hospitaliztion, I feel better than I have all year and am back in the gym 5 days a week with both weights and cardio. Based on what I am able to physically do now(with basically no shortness of breath) compared to what I was able to do only a few weeks ago(which was basically nothing without severe shortness of breath); I am fairly confident that the heart has improved significantly already and will turn out ok.

I still haven't forgotten how close to death I have been for the past couple of months; so I am just taking it day to day and making the most of days where I can function. Until last week, I had been knocked down so many times that I kind of gave up hope that I would ever live a normal life again. Now that I have finally seen that I can feel normal, I have a much better attitude and am ready to fight my ass off again.

I hope you don't mind me asking Muscle96, what is happening with your health? You always seem like a vibrant person. I get it if you don't want to talk about it, but Health too you and I hope you win this fight.

To make a long story short, the immune system at my kidneys and the kidneys poisoned the heart. I need a kidney transplant and possibly a heart transplant as well if the heart doesn't bounce back.

"Good rep generics"? I'm assuming you're referring to generics from the Big 3? Our PD, HK and TP? Most here know that these 3 sources get their gh from the same factory in China. For whatever reason, that factory consistently turns out gh that score well. The Big 3 stand by the gh and are responsible for proving with more tests than any other source.

I was told by muscles96ss that the Riptropins weren't made in the same factory as the grey tops? Was the lease up? I had made a comment in a post that rips and the grey tops were made in the same factory and muscles96 took the opportunity to insult me. In that insult he said it showed how little I know about things when I said that.

I wasn't being literal. What I meant was that it was the same group of people or formula or improved formula. I do remember Homer saying that the grey tops were replacing rips so they were related in some way. I haven't followed muscles96 over the years but i have been present at different times over the years when he has been part of one side of the generic gh debate.

He's looked like hired help and when he's been accused of it lashed out demanding proof from the accusers. Guys have accused him of profiting off the sales of generics. Why else is he so passionate about them? That was the question asked by his accusers.

He's been accused of working for Karl and Sciroxx. He's endorsed some of Karl's products. Karl has posted that he was building a gh manufacturing plant overseas someplace. Karl was laughed off the board for that one.

I don't know if muscles works for anyone who is connected to gh. I've said in the past that I believe him when he says he doesn't. I don't know exactly why he is so involved and so passionate? He's said he does so to help the consumer....the average Joe. I know some guys are like that. The guys I know who are consumer advocates don't have behind the scenes info like he does. He's said that if I or others knew what he did and had been as privileged as he was we would get it? Why is he given access? I dunno? I've said he has helped the Community and other good things about him. Not sure what his problem is with me?

Tommygunns is a respected guy in the Community. I know he used to spend a fair amount of time at theden. I have no reason to believe he is anything but honest when he says what he does about GH.

 

 

 

 

The last 2 members may not have been argumentative but this guy Warhead sure is! Lol.....the water has always been a question. The rips were highly regarded but the water guys held on it was more than on any other gh. Appears that the replacements(greys) have that figured out.

Sorry to hear about the cancer issues, brotha. Who is BB'r? If you want to pm me I'm just curious. Its similar to a guy we both know...is that who you were referring to?

I will be honest, I have no clue about whats going on in the GH world over the past 6 months; I am too busy dealing with medical issues and fighting for my life. However, I do know that people would be shocked if they knew the truth about some of the generics and where they came from and were manufactured. There is so much bullshit and misinformation that its ridiculous. I would compare it to watching CNN; the majority of it is just made up by people who have an agenda.

In regards to the Riptropin, there were legal issues that prevented the factory from continuing to produce them(it was actually a government regulated, legit factory). So, no the greys are not produced in the same facility, but they are produced in a real pharmaceutical facility. So people that say that there is a difference between generics and pharmaceutical GH isn't really being truthful. Yes, there are always going to be differences between various brands. For example, I have used many pharma brands and Norditropin makes me retain a ton of water while Genotropin keeps me dry as shit, wtih Seros somewhere in the middle. So, I don't doubt that people have different experiences with them, but that doesn't tell you anything about the quality. You have to remember, GH is a very different compound than testosterone and is biosimilar not bioidentical.

No. Creatine kinase. Definitely not same test.

Are you talking about creatinine? Is it the kidneys you are concerned about?

Wonder where muscles96 is? Probably doing pushups and dips for his mouth. He stays ready. When he reads posts made about his people he starts flexing his yap. This post made by the OG Warhead qualifies as a post made about muscles people.

China is where all the fakes that are made and shipped to the USA with the intent to rip off and take the hard earned money out of the pockets of copyright protected and license to manufacture and distribute holders of the authentic product as well as the consumer who believes he is getting the real Mccoy.

I believe these are the scumbags Warhead is referring to?

Sorry, spent the day at dialysis so didn't jump right on this. Besides Warhad wrote what his experience are and I have no reason to think he is intentionally making things up. However, you are the one that is taking it one step further and speculating as to the reason why he has had these experiences. Your speculation is based on ignorance and lack of knowledge of where the greys are produced. You can't seem to accept the fact that the greys sold by TP and PD are produced in a legit pharma factory and is identical to the GH that this company produces under stringent, regulated, controls as a brand name that many people rave about.

As to why people have different experiences; everyone's bodies react differently to different GH's; pharm or non-pharm. Some people get a lot of water retention with pharm grade, some people none; and some people it depends on the brand. The same goes for other side effects like carpal tunnel. So you can't judge the quality of your GH by side effects. If you really want to know the quality then send it off for a lab test. TP/PD's greys have been lab tested many times.

Son of a bitch. You ended your arrogantly toned response by letting me, and everyone following along, know that no matter how stupid you find me to be you won't lie to me. Ok, that's great. You and I have frequented the same forums over the years. It's nice to know you find me as irritating and uninformed as the rest of the brood you shit on over at pm.

The only time I recall you responding to something I've posted was when you, acting as Karl's mouthpiece, didn't go so far as to co sign his ridiculous claim that he built a multi-million dollar gh manufacturing plant from the ground up, but instead said that it could be true and that I wouldn't be privy to that kind of info anyway.

I haven't spent hours trying to figure out what exactly in the generic gh coming out of China. I'm not a man of science. My Father has a degree in physics. Doesn't interest me. What does hold my interest is garbage people that take advantage of the position they're in to exploit and scam the average member of any forum, especially any that I happen to be a part of.

I spoke up for Karl when one of his re-mailers ripped him off and opened up shop selling relabeled scirroxx gear as his own. I lit into that piece of shit on an open forum and didn't back off until he was gone for good.

Conversely, when karl spewed that bullshit story I expressed my feelings and beliefs because it was his setting the backdrop for his dash for cash trying to get his piece of all the generic gh money being spent in the Community. A scumbag move.

So here I find myself with the attention, no matter how brief, of one of the most respected and outspoken guys on the subject of generic gh.

Some have said you must be on the take and have speculated as to who you work for. I can see why some come to that conclusion. You fight with a passion for the truth and do so by insulting and belittling your opponent. That you see a person who disagrees with you as an opponent is a little strange? We usually see someone with a vested interest suit up and march into battle using the tactics you do. Its hard for some to understand why a person would be so outspoken and full of fire. I don't find it difficult to take you on your word. People fight for causes and beliefs they have all the time. No problem.

I admittedly don't have all the facts and I'm glad your hear to set us straight. If you don't mind, I'm here to learn and hope you can bring me up to speed on a few things.

I believe I got it right when I said that Homer has stated that the grey tops replaced the riptropin brand of generics? That I assumed that the replacements for rips would have been manufactured in the same plant seems a fairly logical conclusion to draw, no? You flippantly brush off my train of thought as "bullshit garbage". The man who sources the product we're discussing isn't in here throwing insults at members. PD respects the members of this board. That I have turned guys to him when I'm asked about who to buy from when wanting to make a purchase doesn't hurt my standing with him but I also know its not whats keeping him from disrespecting me the way you have. Its not how he treats people. The product speaks for itself.

I'm also not attacking his product or service. I'm not trashing the plants they come from. I'm questioning their provenance. You can correct a person without insulting him and attempting to discredit me for a reason I can't quite understand?

I perhaps would be considered out of line if I happen to be posting what I did in PD's thread with his list and ordering instructions. Still, I don't believe he would call my entire post irrelevant as if I'm some fucking lame. You act as if I trying to steal your wallet or fuck your woman?

Are you that jaded that instead of correcting a member you'll simply imply he's an idiot, drop an insult or 2, and move on? You make things personal. Though I may not like you, I'm sure to give you credit as I did in the post you took a big fat shit on. Fuck is wrong with you? Thanks for all your help, asshole.

I'll try and find the information myself. I'll ask PD or someone where I can find the information about all the individual plants responsible for manufacturing the products the big 3 put out. The things you posted about the greys not being made in the same plant as the gh they replaced can be found someplace, correct? You wouldn't shoot the fuck off at the mouth about some secretive location and operation that only the guys selling the product, and of course you, know about, would you?

I hope not. That would give the impression that you use bully tactics to keep talk down about a product that, in the long run, could possibly hurt the bottom line. Not your bottom line, remember, your neutral with that slick mouth of yours.

I don't have scientific facts about what the fuck is in those vials of gh. I remember guys asking what it could be that causes the water retention that so many talk about. Not having those facts causes the speculation you detest so much. If you know, answer the fucking questions? Your all over the place with what you know and don't know and what it all means. People shouldn't discuss what they don't know? Then someone in the know should help us out. That they don't raises some red flags, does it not?

Keeping information about whats going into the bodies of your customers puts you in the same class as the clowns that make up the comedy act of kronus and the 8 handles the answer every post made in their forum no matter how simple the answer.

Its clear to me that that whole show is to run interference when the question as to what mystery solvent they're using to make a product that has 850mg of hormone per ml. Does Colonel Sanders give up the secret recipe of their chicken?

I wanna reach through my laptop and choke the life of the fucker that shits that answer out! It can't be done. Asylum can threaten to disembowel me or challenge me to a duel atop our steeds dressed as the knights of Camelot. It doesn't mean the weirdo isn't full of shit.

You ask for scientific facts? What the fuck does science have to do with the Chinese being the unquestioned leaders in counterfeiting the world over? That's a fact. Put that in your beaker and send off for mass spec testing.

If you can spare a moment from insulting and talking down to members please correct me and do so with documented facts as you demand from others. Its only fair. One at a time big shot.

Nice rant, and quite ironic coming from someone who has sold Serostim for years. I am not going to even bother responding to the rest of your verbal diarrhea as it is nothing but the same shit with about 100 other irrelevant tangents. The bottom line to the argument is that you have no idea where the greys are produced and I do, and I am telling you that your speculation is wrong.