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The reason I would have an issue saying that what is in the blk or grey tops is pharm grade is because the factory that is turning the blk and grey tops out also turned out rips and other colored top kits. They have all been received differently. What have they done differently with the blk and grey tops this time?

Was the amalgam of ingredients finally perfected to degree that no other changes will be made and that the big 3(PD, HK, & TP) now have the product that will be here today, tomorrow, and foreseeable future?

Production of rips stopped and after some time passed Homer announced that the kits that were replacing rips were going to be available on whatever date it was that they came out. Grey tops replaced riptropins.

I think it went something like that. Did the plant close for yearly cleaning? Company wide vacation? I check out OLM and PM once in a while to see who's ripping off who in the generic gh world and to see what the Big 2 are up to. I've got PD here and over at meso and am very impressed with how he handles his biz. When I'm asked about generics, and I'm asked often, I turn the guys to PD every time. I do this because I trust the guys I know that are using his product when they rave about the product itself. It is a good value.

I also read about PD's service from the same guys as well as guys I don't know and the decision is unanimous; PD is the best of the big 3 for service, hands down. I'm told PD is a little more expensive than HK and TP? I want to bounce that miserly group of consumers on their heads for posting in a tone that can only be interpreted as whining.

Before Platinum came around there wasn't much guys could do except smile and take the service, or lack thereof, that HK and TP meted out. There is now a choice...a clear one at that.

The fact that the service has not improved, and possibly gotten somewhat worse, can only be a result of arrogance and or complacency. I understand that at some point TP made the requirements to be considered for service increased considerably and required revealing more personal stats and facts?

HK ta has always been a month and longer. There are at least 2 guys on OLM that have been waiting since Christmas for kits they were shorted.

That was as a week or 10 days ago. HK hadn't addressed the issue at all. Guys post up and tell them to chill out because homer will make it right. When? By Labor Day? It's ridiculous. Now that Platinum is on the scene, not only is it ridiculous, it doesn't have to be tolerated.

So, I'll be sure to try and answer muscles questions....

1) I can't be sure that there isn't pharm quality. I can be sure that whats in those vials isn't what was in the rips vials or any other vial that plant has manufactured in the past.

I also can be relatively certain based on the facts I just listed in my last sentence that the stuff that is going to go in vials in a year or 2 from now won't be what's going in them now.

As far as the Chinese not being labeled as pharmaceutical grade "due to legalities" I'll have to assume your humor has gotten so dry that I'm not able to recognize when your pulling my leg. The Chinese are responsible for the USA and the world having counterfeit or knock off everything. From Fentanyl and its analogues that are killing American citizens each and every day.

They continue to produce and ship us and the rest of the world expensive knock off luxury brand items that continue to improve in quality and cause new and expanding anti counterfeit laws and legislation as well as costing the US taxpayers millions upon millions of dollars to fund law enforcement in an attempt to stop shipments at our border. Customs and border agents are trained and spend countless hours trying to identify and seize Chinese goods at the border before entering the US.

Literally tons of fake/counterfeit drugs and luxury products get through anyway. Untold dollars spent on identifying and prosecuting companies and individuals for selling the hot merchandise that has an impact on legit companies as well as economies all over the globe.

All this and we're supposed to believe that they'll for some reason take issue with the labeling of gh?

I did my best to answer your question #1. Truth is I'm confused by the sentence/question. It seems to infer that you believe that the only reason the grey and black tops aren't labeled in such a way as to identify them as pharm grade is because of legal issues the company will be burdened with if they do so?

Truth be told, the Chinese can put anything they want on the labels but unless they first open their doors to their gov't for inspection and do what they have to do in order for their own gov't to declare them a legit pharmaceutical manufacturing facility they will continue to be a rogue gh manufacturing facility with rogue chemists with questionable levels of education and certification.

And if anyone is going to declare them a legit outfit that is on the same level as a Eli Lilly or a EMD Serono with a board of directors that our gov't recognizes just know they are a long way off. I assume they would be treated as common criminals should any of their big shots wander into our jurisdiction and identify themselves as HK's #1 man at the meditrope factory.

Flash back to 2007 and Dr Li(sp?) of Gen-Sci is a passenger on board a jet with a flight that originated in China. Those Jins were the real deal. They also made Dr Li an international fugitive with arrest warrants signed by a US Fed Judge.

Dr Li's jet lands to refuel and whatever other business it has to do. The layover is in the capital of the Biggest Little State In the Union.... Providence, Rhode Island. Federal Authorities are aware that Dr Li is a passenger. LE boards the plane and takes Dr Li into Federal Custody. It was the beginning of the end for the most famous and best quality and best value in Chinese generic GH history.

The Chinese learned from their mistakes. The plant the blk and grey tops are produced in will stay secretive and won't have to reach any standards set by any agency. Thus they will never be accepted as equal to US pharm grade which will keep their prices on par with fakes and garbage gh some of which only active ingredient is the bacteria growing in the water labeled as gh.

2) I'm tired so thankfully I need only to skip to the last sentence under #2. Your assertion that the truths I've spoken about already up to this point in this post renders #2 moot. Calling me paranoid is a cheap shot with the state of affairs with China and all its phony and counterfeit crap being what it is.

You claiming the Chinese manufacturing monster being anything other than untrustworthy is leaving the burden of proof squarely on your shoulders and anyone else on your team. Its ludicrous and irresponsible.

The bolded first sentence is 100% false and therefore everything posted after it has no relevance. The fact is that the plant producing the greys has absolutely no relationship with the plant that produced the Rips and is a completely different endeavor. In addition, the plant that produces the blacks is not the same that produces the greys either. This is the problem here; people speak a bunch of bullshit garbage when they don't have their facts straight. The bottom line is that you have no idea where or who produces the greys and if you did then we would not even be having this conversation. Oh, and good job dodging question number 2.

By the way, I was not calling you paranoid; I was just looking for a scientific and factual answer rather than the usual propaganda bullshit about how the Chinese are ripping us off. Unfortunately, that didn't seem to work and all I got was a huge essay devoid of facts and full of incorrect information.

Edit: One more thing. You mentioned Jintropin being legit and the "real deal". How do you know that the technology that was used to produce the Jins has not spread to other pharmaceutical factories in China to produce their GH product? You know, its easy to sit back and speculate or theorize all you want; but in the end you really don't know what is in these products or where they are coming from. You don't have to trust me if you don't want; but you know I have never blown smoke up your ass before.

^^^ I don't think Chinese are untrustworthy. But, I can tell you the difference between 15iu black tops an 6iu sero wasn't noticable at all, for a $1 an IU cheaper (when you double the ius if blacks). Now, the difference between humatrope an sero at same dose was a completely different game. Fullness, 3d look, fat loss, water retention. So, there definitely a difference in the product.

 

I think most bodybuilders want to run GH. Pharm is expensive. Chinese is affordable. People don't want to be told something that they can't afford is way better.

You bring up an important point worth noting. Even when comparing the various pharma GH's; peoples results will vary. For me personally there were some pharma GH's(i.e. Genotropin) that made me lean and ripped to the bone and others(i.e. Norditropin) where I put on 10 pounds of water the first week and my muscle bellies were full; with Serostims being somewhere in the middle of the spectrum.

Why this difference exists I am still trying to understand, but for some reason it does exist.

We've posted up in similar threads recently. I get that you don't value my thoughts and opinions on the subject being discussed. I appreciate you tolerating me for the most part with only bits and pieces of disrespect sprinkled about when replying to my posts.

I have to also say that i can't comment on comparing any generics to pharm gh because I've never used any generic gh. I have, however, pinned a large amount of Serostim. My first kit was purchased in December of 2005. I was forced to be PED free from the fall of 2008 until the winter/end of 2011. There have been a few months between then and now that I completely went off all PED's for a full body detox so I'd say 5 of the last 6 yrs I've had kits of Serostim by my side.

I say this in an attempt to not only date myself, as i am indeed old, but also to hopefully impress upon you that I'm not trolling you but rather I'm attempting to try and understand and put your position into perspective. Your position, of course, is that blk and grey tops are as good if not better than pharm grade.

You say you've used a lot pharm gh. Would you please tell us the extent of your gh use? Both pharm grade and generic? If you care to verify my past use and extent of my experience there are several members and staff that will co-sign what I've told you. It may sound silly because this the net and we all could be whomever we want to pretend to be. However, I've been hands on with many here off the net and can elaborate further if you like.

The man I've quoted next has a different opinion than you do and also has the experience with generics that I lack. I'm familiar with BixBx and his use as I've been reading his posts, here and elsewhere, for years. He competes and lives the lifestyle to the fullest. I know I'm hearing from a guy that has run pharm gh at different iu's per day for many years. He's no bullshit and straight forward. He doesn't have time for nonsense.

I also would have to say that over the years he has spent a dollar amount that is approaching 6 figures on hgh. That's alot of cash. Lots of pharmacy gear as well.

I'm certain you, lilhawk, don't care if I believe your opinion is something to be taken seriously or if I decide its just flippant off the cuff banter. I want to know more, lilhawk.

 

This makes sense to me. The blk tops are quality but have their place.

 

 

 

 

I honestly don't believe you're attempting to sell anything to our members here. Just "flossing" is the word I've heard thrown around by the younger generation. It does sound exactly like what a guy trying to round up a new customer or 2 would say. Lots of scams out there with gh being dead center in the middle of it. PD, BigBx, and a lot of us have seen and unfortunately been victims. Be safe.

Just a couple brief questions/food for thought:

1.) Can you say with 100% certainty that some of the generics currently on the market aren't actually pharmaceutical products produced by a pharmaceutical company, just not labeled as such due to legalities?

2.) What is it about pharma GH that is so magical? In other words, say I have a vial of black top GH at 97.5% purity and compare it to a pharmaceutical vial of pharma purity. How does that extra percentage point of purity somehow magically double the potency and make the products not comparable? I am looking for some sort of scientific info or actual facts and not some paranoia excuse about how the Chinese are untrustworthy.

I understand this. I'm saying most serum scores of GH I've seen and seen from guys that go to the same HRT clinic are well above 30 with 10 iu of Seros for example. I was using Seros as an example.

Serum scores are going to vary individually. Comparing scores from one person to another is useless and means nothing. Comparing serum scores from the same individual and done under the same circumstances is where you can gather some meaning.

That serum number is not that good for pharm grade GH. Typically scores on Serostim at the same dose are well into the 30's. Greys and blacks are scoring better than that. I'll stick with what I said. I don't believe those are legit Genos. Any pharm grade GH I've ever gotten had a script on the box. I'd never purchase any Pharm GH that didn't, or from a foreign country. Especially anything from Turkey or India. Also with legit GH, they never seem good to go as there is no doubt you're on legit GH. Within 1 week you should be dramatically more full and round, unbelievable pumps all the time, great sleep, dreams, etc. All the info you were provided is provided by counterfeiters as well. The fakes look exactly like the real thing. If you had legit genos, you'd be a fool to get rid of any of them because for the price you claim they were, you'd know you're sitting on a gold mine and wouldn't get rid of any of them because you never know when they might dry up.

Serums have nothing to do with whether a product is pharm grade or not. If you take 10iu's of the best pharm grade and then take a vial of the shittiest GH in the world but that actually contains 10iu of GH as part of its contents; you should score the exact same.

I think I understand what your trying to say... but my main focus was on one's ability to gain size.

That's what we are all trying to do in various degrees. Coleman himself even admitted that until he started using HGH and Insulin >>> SEE VID BELOW) he had a difficult time winning contests...doesn't sound like genetics so much does it. Genetics determine the shape and look but drugs determine how big one can potentially become.

 

Now the title of the video below says steroids but its fairly obvious if you listen what he is eluding to is not just roids...trust me Coleman wasn't natural and coming in 15th at the Olympia ( so dont even try to aurgue that he was) but he didnt use HGH/insulin at lest to the degree he did once Flex gave him advice...watch the vid...

 

 

So genetics isn't what you thought after all....you heard it from a 8 time Mr. Olympia !!!!!

But genetics effects how you will respond to the drugs. When I first started using, I blew up like 30 pounds on my first cycle of test cyp at 1cc a week. I had friends taking 2-3 times that much who didn't even look like they juiced. Everybody's body responds differently and that is part of the genetic variable.

Again, I don't think genetics play no part what so ever.

Gunswinger is an odd person and I'm sure he's ok with that and I'm sure it's a genetic thing that's out of his control, that's been passed down from his parents Etc Etc.

What I feel is different in regards to genetics from one person to another is receptor site numbers for AAS and as Glxy mentioned so well Muscle fascia thickness from person to person.

 

Some folks just have the ability to push themselves to success no matter what life throws their way.

Let us look at the Navy SEAL training program ie. BUDS. The US government has spent millions in the field of Psychology to try to predict who would successfully complete BUDS versus who would most likely fail. They have found that it matters not who is more fit or leaner or tall or short. Physical fitness prior to entering BUDS is not a reliable determinate for success and that statement comes from the Department of the NAVY itself.

 

What some have mentally is grit. The ability to force themselves physically and emotionally past any physical or emotional barrier. This is what I think many pro Bodybuilders are in fact demonstrating. I feel the sport of Bodybuilding is a level of mental grit that only a small percentage of the "non section 8" population possess.

 

Genetics plays a part in insertions, shape and bone structure are all genetics of which would not be affected by AAS (directly anyway) but I don't think muscle size is 100% genetics except for the receptor site issue.

 

Anyway, Gunswinger is an internet guru who I assume, may have lost his grit long ago, if he ever had much to begin with. Gunswinger? If it makes you feel validated, by all means take my quotes anywhere you like.

I would however, like to know why you and some others feel so strongly about the issue of genetically engineered alien-human hybrids (AKA) Mr. Olympian contestants?

 

Leave these demi-Gods to themselves and please don't take everything they say as gospel. Agent Mulder and Agent Skully think those Aliens are up to no good and I tend to agree.

I think there is a lack of understanding of what "genetics" actually is. There are so many different genes that bring about so many different traits that include much more than just sheer size or strength. The mental grit and personality traits, the ability to eat and digest all that food, etc.. are all parts of the genetic make-up as well. The bottom line is you can play basketball all-day long and do all the perfect drills you want, but you will never play like Michael Jordan. Just the same, you can bust your ass in the gym all day long and do everything right, but 99% of the people here will never look like Ronnie Coleman.

Just be honest with him. Try and have a conversation with him about it. Worst that can happen is you will need a new doc. After all the doc is there to help you take care of your health. He can better do that job of he knows what you are actually doing. Its not his job to judge you. I'm sure he has patients that choose to smoke, drink, or eat shit food. He should not treat you any different than any of them.

And for those mad at the doc, what for? He is simply doing his job and hasn't done anything wrong yet.

Ok, here it is, unless Dynasty or any other sponsor owe any of U product, I personally feel that negativity, disrespectful responses, and the fucking AB police need to go play with their tonka trucks.......Dynasty, Do not allow disrespect, also, cut this guys or gals off if they feel the need to be disrespectful in their terminology or responses, period! No one else would allow it, No one else would also allow everyone checking on the status of their product constantly or blowing the board up with oral blow jobs about people who aren't giving them comm and attention.......I mean some of you guys and gals are absolutely ridiculously, oh and FYI, u can call it "riding someone's dick" all u want.... Try to ride ALP or Defiant like that and see what the fuck will happen...... Dynasty, keep it real and be a professional, period......

Medicineman; lets put it this way. There are a number of people in this thread who trust dynasty and support him. You also have a number of vets and VIP members who do not trust dynasty and see a bunch of red flags that based on their experience suggest that people be cautious. Why do you object so strongly to those, who have no other motive other than to help people, to posting their concerns? This isn't like some other boards where anything negative is deleted. If a source has poor communication, lies, does fishy shit, etc..; what is wrong with calling him out? You want to suppress factual information or experienced opinions because you don't agree with them? I don't get it, what is your motive? How does it hurt you? What are we missing here? Just an FYI, I have an uncanny ability and history of seeing things that others don't see. IM will vouch for me on that as we have worked on things together before.

So muscles96ss sorry for calling you a asslicker

 

 

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Thanks, you can call me a pussylicker and I would be ok with it; but asslicking just isn't my thing. On a serious note; as I mentioned before, dynasty knows exactly what Bigfoot and I are talking about. So if you want proof, you can ask him and I don't see why he wouldn't address it with you in PM or email. But as you stated, you really don't care who he is and whether or not he is a pathological liar; and that's your choice.

It gets frustrating when I see things that are so obvious and I try to point them out to people to help people. But in the end, people are free to believe and do what they want. At least you are not a complete dick about things like mediceman.

Like I thought ZERO proof.

 

 

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Why don't you ask you butt buddy Dynasty about the proof? He is already aware of it but has danced around admitting it with his wording in his posts. See if he will tell you the truth.

He moved between the first and second posts. I happened to order from him during the move and he had me wait until he'd finished. I can confirm that he switched which side of the country he was shipping from before and after as well. I don't have any reason to defend him other than that I happen to know he was telling the truth here and I hate to see someone wrongly accused.

1.) Unless he is shipping things himself(which is not too bright); him moving should not change where things ship from.

2.) Dynasty is claiming that he is not CF(despite their IP's matching) and uses the fact that they live in opposite parts of the country as his evidence. How does the fact that he has moved negate the facts that they obviously lived very close to each other at some point and that they shared the same IP? Come on guys, you are smarter than that.

He and I live on opposite sides of the country, I offered to disconnect my VPN and log in and CF would log in simultaneously, seeing that we were both logged in on opposite sides of the country I thought would end the rumor, but no one took me up on it.

 

Also, given CF'S previous popularity wouldn't it have made more sense for him to just say " hey guys, I'm opening my own lab...." and he immediately would have been the most popular lab on here..... for CF to create a secondary lab name to source under would have done nothing but hurt his sales lol it makes zero sense.....

 

He's got his own personal reasons for why he no longer see posts..... if you dont believe it then don't buy from me, no skin off my nose

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Lol his coach insisted he disconnect his cable tv, netflix, Internet and everything for the arnold prep. CF tends to get extremely lazy and couch potato like at times, especially during prep, his girl has been watching tv with my wife at our place lol. And not to mention he's a sleepy cranky fucker. So he's been "disconnected" he did well so I'm sure he'll post soon.

So are you still going to claim that you live on opposite sides of the country? I wouldn't trust you if your tongue came notarized!! You remind me of the scammer MG on PM. I know you aren't him, but he would always come on with some new elaborate excuse and swear that everything would now be back to normal. It happened over and over again until finally he didn't come back. You see the delays were simply lies and he was buying time because he was using money from new orders to pay for old orders. I would be willing to bet that is what is happening here as well.

Not sure what this is. Right shoulder has been in pain for over a year. I got it checked couple months ago. The mri said tendonitis. When I flex its alittle painful. No bruise no black and blue. Expext my lower pec is not flexing normal. Is this just a muscle imbalance or a tear?

If the pec was torn the mri would show it torn and not tendonitis. Can you post the MRI report(black out all identity info of course)?

No Kris6814, trump is not disliked by me because of his status, he is disliked because he has said and done things that isn't proper, right or common sensical......

 

Again, i am an independent, I do not care very much for Dems or repubs, the 2 parties stink and smell like some of you speak.....this country needs a change that doesn't include corporatists, elitists or establishment bullshit politics......What is so dumb about many of u is that what he is doing and has done is exactly what Hitler did with Germany prior to killing Jewish zionists. Even his administration is wrapped around white supremacy, it depicts this countries thinking and positions

You watch too much CNN!! Anyone with half a brain can see through their agenda and realize they are feeding the people BS and creating fear among people because they are sore losers. This shit about comparing Trump to Hitler is so fucking ludicrous and without any factual basis, I can't believe people are actually that stupid to believe this garbage.

On another thread someone felt that generic HGH brands end up going bad in the end? I have no personal knowledge to comment myself, but it got me wondering what happened to some formally popular brands of hgh?

 

Hygetropins?

 

Jintropin?

 

Blue tops?

 

Riptropin?

 

I believe I used Jin's with success but don't really recall and the blue tops I got were complete junk. I want to say the blue tops were around 2011? And I think the jintropins I used were before that?

 

Now if I look around on the net I will still find Blues, Hyges, and jintropins? Don't recall the sites. Nothing I would ever purchase.

 

I know blacks and greys, with greys being my personal favorite are good as I've used them in the past 3 years.

Hyges - original Hyges produced by Hygene are still being manufactured. However, several years ago, the plant got in trouble with the Chinese government and you will no longer find them on the black market as they are tightly regulated.

Jins - still produced but the owners got in trouble back somewhere around 2006 and you will not find them on the black market because they would get in HUGE trouble if they got caught again. Many sources have claimed to have legit Jins, but in the end they have all been proven to be liars. Trust me, they will not be found in any quantity from any source.

Blue tops - what brand or source are you referring to, there are tons of blue tops?

Rips - were produced in same factory as Hyges and therefore no longer in production.

Why do they have a picture of xtc tabs in there lol

Looks like blue hearts dbol.

I believe that also (that test does prolong your life)

 

But I haven't found any study, that will confirm nor deny it.

 

 

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I would say that having testosterone in the high normal range will definitely prolong your life over low test levels or high test levels. However, having your levels too high or too low, both pose risks and are not considered healthy. 300mg a week is on the high side of what I would consider beneficial from an anti-aging perspective; but it also may not be detrimental if you keep a close eye on your bloodwork and make sure that everything else in the body is not being adversely effected.

Yea I don't think they are very good , they did play good d today so we shall see I don't think atlantas d is very good either but I'm clearly biased with the 1 yard line thing that would have won the fucking game if we had just run the godamn ball with beast mode .. just my opinion

New England is 3rd in the NFL in the fewest rushing yards allowed per game and allowed fewer points per game than any other team in the NFL. Like, I said, I really don't care for Bellicheat and the patriots; but I respect their defensive performance because of how well they played this year.

I gather you are a Seahawks fan. They have a great defense as well; it just forgot to show up last week. But their lack of offense is partly to blame as that puts too much pressure on the defense and keeps them on the field too long.

Both teams have shitty defense , I think Atlanta has the better offense I watched them beat my team last week "go hawks "

I would not be thrilled to see the pats get another ring so I'll take the falcons

New England has a shitty defense? I can't stand New England, but they have a very solid defense.

I'd take Genotropin over both those anyday. Based on personal serum GH's, IGF-1's, and actual results; I have to put both Seros and Humatrope at the bottom of the pharm grade GH's I've used. Everybody has different genetics and responds differently; so my opinion is based on my personal results and I am sure others have had different experiences. But Genotropin gave me the best dry and lean gains with fat loss and Norditropin was strong as hell and gave me a ton of water retention but also a thick freaky look.

If he wants to make it right then why doesn't he just contact the people he fucked over and make it right. I'm sure he remembers who he scammed.

Hey guys anyone know what stores sell otomix shoes ??

Just order direct from otomix, they almost always have a 30% of coupon; just get on their email list.

Aurapharm, I have been ordering Caber from them for years. They used to be real slow with shipping but the last 2 orders came real quick and they are the cheapest of any place I have found for real Pharm.

He emailed me saying the mods banned him for "calling out CBL on shitty gear" and asked if I'd still accept orders from him..... I'm guessing that wasn't the case lol

Accept his order and then take the money he sends and give it to the person he scammed(CBL).