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Got an email today from some guys from DAT's board who claim to have saved a lot of info from the original board. I forget the names of the 4 guys the email was from? Big E was one, if I remember correctly?

I had to register for the board and my registration has to be approved by staff. I registered today so shouldn't be long. I know a lot of you guys really liked and miss DAT. The new board is www.ergo something.com...I suspect I'll be seeing many of you over there?

Good to see you kicking around. Please PM me your protonmail account.

Im surprised he got 5 years. If you look at ORD most sources who were busted for gear only and no guns with no priors didnt even do time. Just big fines and probation. And they didnt even rat. He ratted and still got 5years. Seems like a lot.

pm no problem just don't post info of jail sit in public but np

I 1st want to aploigize I went to jail which if need i can show a mod my paperwork. I will pay everyone back in full my word. I cant pay it all in one swoop but i will pay if anyone lost funds with me please pm me and we can work something out i will do my best to do it in a timly fashion. Thank u and again i apoligize.

I aspirate every time I inject myself because sometimes I do draw blood and I'll move the shot when I do, which prevents me from getting tren cough.

One customer failed to pay for his var/sust/ so, we have some Var in stock its 10mg not the normal 20.

 

Any oral blends you guys have thought about?

 

List updated.

 

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What's up BGH, nice to see you over here.

The HPLC's scans are there and were performed by janoshik. The immunoassay was performed at an accredited lab that Big A, Raj, and myself are aware of the details of. I have the original scans but it was agreed upon prior to the testing that those scans would not be made public due to legal issues and keeping people out of trouble.

That's wise. If you need a third party to authenticate the scans, send me a PM. Seems like most people are willing to take you at your word though.

To be honest, I never really thought about asking you who you're using. Its none of my business anyways. If you wanted to openly bump a source, or product, thats your business too. I do understand where you're coming from though..

 

I too have publicly stated that members should use ecstasy data.org to have their orals tested. At least we have picture proof, and will find out if the said compound is in those tabs or caps. Those tests are not easily manipulated, if at all. Those clowns at meso... brutus79 and johnnyballz refused to send the 5 ALP tabs in question to ecstasy data.org. They rather have a known liar do it for them.. dr jim. Not only did he screw up the first tests, he re-tests one of the tabs again, then claims its laced with tren ace. Then on top of that, he never had the correct standard to even do a mass spec test. I called that quack out on it, and all him and his goon(CBS) did was talk in circles. 2 guys are going to try and ruin a source that has been around over a decade, with literally zero complaints!

 

You do more for us in the community then anyone I know, and not once have you ever asked to be compensated either.

 

The tests I do is more for peace of mind. If I find something that can't be held back, I would for sure post it up and let the members know.

My opinion about a vendor may not be as useful to you because you have an excellent grasp of the community. I was referring more so to new guys. I use to get a lot of PMs about this and I would have to respectfully decline to answer. Occasionally someone I know well will ask and I'll tell them whose product I am using.

According to brutus, mugzy told him ALP were scammers, an accusation that mugzy shrank away from when I asked him about it. So I think mugzy reinforced/encouraged their behavior. I think brutus wanted to get his status elevated so he allowed himself to be used as a pawn, even lying and claiming his friend needed surgery when in fact his friend didn't. Then they provided no credible evidence that the products were poor and refused the estacydata test. Their "test" used a dilution factor that was too low for the product they were testing, which they refused to acknowledge.

CBS contributed nothing of value to the discussion because he is an internet forum troll and he never used or had the products.

Brutus and JB were making a beef where there wasn't a beef to make because ALP never disputed their claim and offered a full refund. ALP said there were no other reports of problems, so if there was a problem, they were unaware of it. The only people complaining were JB and Buruts, two guys who know each other on the street. Scammers don't offer refunds and being offered a refund eliminates someone from being able to claim they were scammed. Maybe they aren't aware of this but I will blacklist/ban/publish the info of anyone, regardless of rank, that I can verify is scamming and makes no sustained effort to make good.

Brutus wanted to send me the tabs to get tested and ALP agreed to reimburse me for the testing if I sent the samples in myself. I wanted to send them in just so we would know what was going on either way but brutus and his guys were so vigorously attacking ALP that I was not comfortable having them send anything to me. If they had been a little more mellow I would have sent it in myself and if there was a problem with the product, so be it. I also figured the testing wouldn't matter because they would just claim I was corrupt.

Anyway, Millard and I got into it because he was defending his frequent posters. He called me a liar and I never returned to meso. Millard is selectively neutral when it suits him. Personally, I view the lack of moderation and leadership at Meso as cowardice more so than free speech. We let people say whatever they want over here unless it's some kind of security problem. If someone has a beef or whatever, I will look into it or PM another staff. I prevented a bunch of scams over there. The one in particular that stands out was that GH group buy from stretch where a bunch of small guys were looking at collectively losing over 10K. He wound up meeting his obligations instead of having his info posted. Millard lost a good resource.

I get complaints about misconduct from guys on every board about sources, staff members, admins etc. I am like a catch all complaint box. I'm sure ALP gets complaints internally but I have never personally received a complaint about them, DFL, or PD. If I did ALP would be treated just the same as anyone else.

I could post up a handful of tests, but what good does it ever do? You either have the members that believe you, or the other half that think I have an agenda. My only agenda is making sure sources put out what they say they are putting out. There is no disputing a Mass Spec test from ecstasy data.org, when your pill is right there in plain sight in color, and then it shows nothing detected. Members are going to use who they are going to use. Believe it or not, there are members like myself, JoeBig, Muscle96ss, & rAjjin that actually care about what you guys are putting into your bodies. Not one time have I ever asked members for money. I can't tell you how much cash joebig and I have spent testing products. Its well into the thousands..

Why do you think I never publicly discuss whose products I'm using or review anyone's service?

If you have lab results, just post them and if you are challenged, tell the person challenging your result to obtain their own test result. The point I was trying to drive home is that a test can be manipulated so it is inappropriate for a testing authority/analytical lab to certify a result as being attributable to a given lab. The testing authority/analytical lab can photograph the sample and say this was sent in as photographed, but they shouldn't say this product came from x UGL, or x UGL results are in!!!, because they can't prove the sample came from that UGL. Someone could have easily crimped on a new stopper. The testing outfit itself shouldn't be making claims about what came from where.

The user who submitted the sample to be tested on the other hand, is aware of the chain of custody and can certify the chain of custody. Therefore, that user should discriminate the results, which is what was done in this case.

I'm not disputing the results of the testing. I'm just saying that a determined attacker could radically skew results if they wanted to.

The estacydata test is one that I really pushed hard for people to use because the sample is photographed. If you go back through my posting history here and at meso, I was suggesting using years ago, well before I was staff anywhere. I do agree with you that it is significantly more difficult to manipulate an estacydata test, especially when a unique die is used because the sample is photographed.

You're preaching to the choir with respect to hemorrhaging money to further the interests of the community.

Perfect!! I was just going to say, lets discuss it with Raj and go from there; but you beat me to it. Like I said, I want the whole world to see it as I am proud of the work we did and what we accomplished. But I am just one person with one opinion and isn't my call. In hindsight, I probably should have talked it over with Raj to begin with before posting the results today and put a notice at the top of the post so everyone would know.

rajjin was cool with it.

Hey buddy I can't see the screen shot, but I would say leave it up an let the guys discuss. Take care friend, thanks for the PM

What PD was trying to say is that it is posted on PM in the Lab Testing Section which requires 50 posts in order to read, and was performed with the money collected by donations from the members. The rules of the lab testing section are very strict and that what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas and people will be banned if that is not adhered to.

 

I personally have no problem with sharing the information as it reinforces what I have been saying for years and people need to wake up and realize that the Chinese can make good quality GH at a reasonable price. However, in all fairness to the people who donated and in respect of the board and its rules; they need to be adhered to. If the donating members and Big A agree to allow them to be posted, then post away. But until then I would ask that they be removed.

 

The Simec results should be back soon(hopefully) and since those were funded by the sponsors themselves, I am guessing that each sponsor will be able to their respective results wherever they want.

 

Lastly, for those that aren't members over at PM and weren't aware of what transpired; the testing was organized by Racepicks, buck, and myself and the results are real and trustworthy. I have 100% confidence in how everything has been handled.

Trust me I don't find anything wrong with it at all. Def benefits me just thought it was a pm board doing and for it to stay there that's all

Ok, this is why I asked what was wrong with the post. I have never been a member over at ProM so I didn't know. I opened an account and put a PM in to rajjin, if he's not cool with this being posted here, I'll pull it down.

Does that sound fair muscle96ss?

We care about what everyone thinks but amending or deleting posts is a task exclusive to the staff. I don't see a problem with the post, which is why I asked what was wrong with it. If someone has a good argument as to why it should be pulled, then maybe we'll pull it.

I usually only amend posts that create some kind of security issue. If the argument that people may get scammed over at ProM, well, each board has their own politics and users should consider those politics and proceed accordingly.

U sweet guys complaining giving me shit about amber rose, but if she was Chers daughter you guys would be foaming at the mouths to fuck.

Please delete this thread..... Info really was for PM and shouldn't be allowed here...

What's wrong with it?

In my view, the best way to test products is to have an end user submit a sample for testing themselves, then have the analytical lab return the results to that user, then that user can post their results.

The issue is that there is no chain of custody with respect to product testing. So, anyone along the way could tamper with and skew the results as they see fit. For example, someone could easily dilute a competitors product for their own personal gain. I told Millard this when we discussed opening a testing authority but he apparently didn't listen and decided to post results for lab results as if they are are infallible.

Only trust a testing result if you trust each person who contacted the sample being tested all the way down the line.

Needs a hat or a wig or something but I'm into it.

Not only that, but this story is over a year old. Naps is way more secure now, trust me!

 

Bigcat910, aka inspector gadget, next time do a little research and post something recent and of value. You guys are pathetic trying to bash Naps. Go bash sponsors that rip people off like Kalatu Pharma.. aka mean greens, aka d-source..

I read some of the files, it seems the last entries were in October of 2015. I was very busy around that time.

Seeing as how naps was hacked in October of 2015 and this data was posted in Feb 2016, I'm wondering if Naps was targeted and their information was held in exchange for a bitcoin ransom.

Naps storing all of that information in a database connected to the internet was a poor design choice to say the least. Small, simple changes to the way they were organized could have inhibited this from occurring. This hack was a disservice to the entire community that could create a lot of fallout.

The narrative itself doesn't make sense and it appears to me that author made the story up after hacking naps. If a vendor made his brother sick, why wouldn't he post photos of the gear and name the lab? Has anyone ever heard of someone dying from an infection from using gear? I have only seen news reports of those south American guys that use liters of synthol killing themselves with infections.

The author just writes an unverifiable story and declares war on the whole community because of a problem he likely fabricated. I think we should take this to mean that bored teenage computer hackers with no comprehension of how the community works are targeting the community now.

agreed, but you'd have to be a real stupid motherfucker to order gear off a web site (cough vaultek cough*)

It depends on the website. Most boards themselves are no more secure than any other website out there. There are administrators in the community that like to fear people into using their board, by falsely representing their board as a security panacea and falsely representing other boards as having an inferior design.

I see no problem with a vendor using a simple static webpage with an email at the bottom. However, a web store with a database is not a good plan.

There's so much bro-science out there regarding Sustanon. I think that it probably works the way you say since that is what it's designed for. I see a lot of guys say that the esters in Sustanon make it a roller coaster. I've never actually used real HG Sustanon so I can't speak to it. On one site I've been looking at recently they have a totally different belief about the way esters work over time. I really think there is more misinformation on the "Interwebs" than good info. Do you feel like there is much if any noticeable difference in enanthate v cypionate? I can't tell any difference between the two when I use them. Some guys swear by one or the other.

I feel test e strongly for a few days and by the end of the week it tapers off. The worst I feel is six days after a shot. Feeling myself go up and down every week is not something that I enjoy, especially when you consider that the other 2cc's also have enanthate esters.

I like sustanon because it makes me feel more consistent. If a longer estered testosterone product such as test d were sold, I'd probably use it instead of the sustanon. I've seen test u offered and I would probably use that as my test base if I never planned to come off.

I would generally agree that the community as a whole is rife misconceptions and intentional outright deceptions. Sifting through all of the bullshit that is posted is a challenge, especially for new guys. It takes a long time to get a good lay of the land.

I do not notice any difference between test c or e. There should be no noticeable difference between test c and e because the esters are very similar. Test c might be used commercially because it wont liquefy at room temperature but I'd imagine that pharmaceuticals are stored in an air conditioned environment so maybe this is not a factor. Within the muscle sport community, some vendors have shots that are more painful than others due to the variances in formulation and sterility/depyrogenation.

Maybe I am an idiot here, but I've seen several excellent sponsors making Test E + Test C blends together.

 

Can someone fill me in on why that would be done as they are so similar in relation to time active? Is it simply to get higher concentrations of long ester test in one milliliter? Seeing as how normally test C won't hold over 250-300 mgs/ml but combining 200C and 200E would yield 400mg/ml?

I can't think of a benefit to combining the two.

Combining the two, if the intent were to make a more potent product, is probably counterproductive because the enanthate ester has a lower molecular weight, which means ounce for ounce, test e has more active ingredient and test e has a significantly lower melting point and should therefore, in all cases, dissolve into the classic oil, ba, bb solution better than test c.

I personally use sustanon because I like the stable blood levels and I typically fill up the rest of the barrel with an enanthate ester product such as masteron, tren, or primo, which means I must use a shot a week anyway.

I reached out to their owner.

What is this freetime you speak of?

Flexed was blocked from posting his list here because no one had confidence that he would meet his obligations. He went around us by convincing JT to allow him to run a sub-list. When this was discovered, they were both removed. JT's information will probably be posted when it is found because JT accepted the liability of allowing flexed to run a sub list and JT left some of his clients hanging also.

Flexed bait and switched, failed to fill orders, and outright scammed.

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They are not the same person. Gh15 was in business with strango but gh15 really is mighty1 and has been the WHOLE TIME. Mighty1 was on every single steroid forum learning and learning what gurus talked about when it came to steroids then he created the gh15 character and rehashed other peoples information. Go look up mighty1 posts and you can tell its the same guy.

The mighty1 account is an alias used by him.

You know this for certain?

yes

You know who it is. Spill the beans, sir.

I do the opposite of spilling the beans.

Yes Legit Primo is hard to find and likely counterfeited... But regarding "legit" primo... I have some questions I'd like to be answered...

According to whom? The guys selling HG primo?

Name any user here that has been caught selling bunk/counterfeit primo.