HxCTy

That's a lot of tren. Why run ace after you've been running tren e for 7 weeks?

Preload with your tren ace. Add in the trend slow. Pay attention as your levels rise. Fuckin tren E is not like doing tren ace. If it builds up to higher doses, and you don't kow how u will react to sides, like losing your fucking paranoid mind, as can happen, then it takes forever to clear it feels like. Tren ace is a good compound\ester. So is the tren E, but do not think u can run higher doses and keep building and not have different sides than u would with the ace, oraybe I should say, more profound sides.

Take the E slow, see how u feel. Back off if u start to get to much anxiety and just use the tren ace if so.

But should be fine if u watch how u feel.

 

And finish off with the ace. As u are clearing ur system u dont want tren E in there for several more weeks. ACE is the better ester in my own opinion, when it comes to tren.

Thanks for the advice navy, I didn't realize that the longer ester would have such a big effect. The reading I had done on both esters said it would be about the same but I must have either gotten bad info or misunderstood.

I'll make sure and add in the Tren slow. I'm in no rush haha. The only real reason I was using the longer ester is just to do less injects.

Would you recommend caber or prami to help control sides? I've used both and never had sides from either of them, and I had read that prami is the stronger of the two so I was planning on using that.

That's a lot of tren. Why run ace after you've been running tren e for 7 weeks?

For me, tren e and ace are two different beasts as far as sides. 10 weeks of tren e at 600 a week will be plenty. You didn't need caber at only 300mg tren ace but you'd better get some for running 600mg a week of tren e. If you have prolactin issues the enanthate won't clear your system as fast as the ace.

Ok thank you, that's good to know, I figured they would be very similar as far as sides. I didn't have any sides at all on ace, no cough, no night sweats, nothing like that. And I do know for sure my stuff was good as I got it from a reputable source here. But I will make sure I'm cautious with the E.

Would you recommend caber over prami? Neither give me sides and I've read that prami is the stronger of the two.

That's a lot of tren. Why run ace after you've been running tren e for 7 weeks?

Yeah why run the ace after E??

I have some left over from my last cycle and honestly I figured a little extra push on the back end of the cycle wouldn't hurt. Would it be a better idea to use that as I start the Tren to help get it into my system faster?

As far as the aromasin goes, I haven't run test over 500mg (my last cycle was test E at 500mg and Tren ace at 300mg and it didn't do as much as I'd hoped) and I was just wanting to be cautious, also, the way I understood the half life of aromasin was that it would need to be dosed daily... I am still new at this and I know I do tend to be overly cautious to some extent. Thanks for the replies 11bravo & apex. I appreciate the help.

First off, here's my current stats for reference:

6'3

265

~18% body fat (measured with calipers)

So here's my delimma, I'm planning on running a cutting cycle to help me get down to around 8~10% body fat, just enough for some good, visible abs. My planned cycle is as follows:

Week 1-3: Test E 750mg/ Superdrol 20mg (Daily)

Week 4-6: Test E 900mg

Week 7-14: Test E 900mg/ Tren E 600mg

Week 15-17: Test E 900mg/ Tren E 600mg / Tren A 300mg

Week 18: Cruise with Test E 600mg

I will be running aromasin 12.5mg daily, possibly 25mg if I feel I need it and I will have Prami in hand,

But to my main question, how much should I be eating to cut, while running this cycle? I've never ran a real cutting cycle before, and I'm not sure how much I should be eating to maintain my muscle mass but lose fat. Ideally I'd like to get down to about 235 at Approx 8%.

Any suggestions, additions or advice welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Awesome thread CF! Thanks for taking the time to help everyone out.

I'm 6'3

265

18% body fat looking to cut down to about 10-8%. Assuming my diet is on point, do you think a simple

750mg test e, 500mg tren e cycle for ~8-12 weeks and then cruising on test at 500mg would suffice? Or would something else be better? I'd like to only use as much as I have to for both health and budget purposes. I also have have superdrol on hand as well. Also, how much muscle can I reasonable expect to keep?

Thanks again.

Start at 500mg test a week then Up your dosage to 750mg and maybe even up too 1g... I'd probably take Tren E for the first half of your cycle and then switch to Tren A twords the end and maybe even go with Test Prop when reaching the end of your cycle. I've noticed that switching from long esters to shorter esters has worked wonders for me twords the end of my cycle.

For example

Week 1-2 500mg Test 400mg Tren

Week 3-4 750mg test 600mg Tren

Week 5-6 1g test 600-800mg Tren

Week 7-8 750mg test Switch from Tren E - Tren A 500-600mg

Week 9-10 switch Test E to Prop 500-750mg Tren A 300-400mg

Week 11-12 Test prop 500mg Tren 300mg

Week 13-16 drop Tren run a cruise of test 300-350mg week (mid week INJ) or split the dosage up & pin twice

 

If your wanting to drop weight you could throw some Winny in there or Anavar...

I don't know how well you respond to Tren but if you want to throw some PRAMIPEXOLE in it does wonders for me when using high doses of Tren or Deca... Same thing with Test some people are gyno sensitive more or less to certain compounds at specific dosages so either some Aromasin/Adex/Nova for management could be good. I prefer Aromasin since it doesn't lower your IGF-1 level but that's just me... Everyone is entitled to their Opinions and they know what's best for their body...

 

Hope this post helps some mate! Maybe others can critique it but I've ran a similar cycle to this but higher dosages plus I took Anadrol aswell and had great results...

 

-GT

Awesome reply man. I really appreciate it. That looks like a really well laid out cycle. I'll definitely look into that. I've been wanting to give tren another go, and the doses you proposed look to be more what I'll need to make some real progress. Thanks again.

Hey everyone, haven't posted in quite a while but I was hoping for some feedback for my third cycle. Here's my current stats to start:

6'3

265lbs

18 % body fat

I'm looking for just dry lean gains and to shed some body fat in the process. My diet will be on point, and I'm open to basically anything besides HGH. That crap scares me lol. I'm trying to get down to around 10% or so. Just enough for some visible abs. I also do powerlifting so anything that boosts strength in particular would be great.

My last cycle was 500mg of test e and 200mg of tren a week. 12 weeks of test and 6 of tren. I think I'll need a higher dose of tren in the future as that dose didn't really seem to go much for me.

Any suggestions welcome.

Thanks for the reply, yeah the needle did get moved around a bit this time. And I am

On test e. Thanks for the info. I'm sure it's probably fine. I'll be putting a compress on it regularly until it goes away, some of the redness has already gone down.

So I have a warm redish pink lump on my right glute where I pinned, or slightly below. I

Always follow very hygienic injection practices, but the needle did get moved around some this time. I don't have a fever and the spot isn't any more sore than it usually is when I inject there, is it necessarily an abcess or infection? Or are there things I can do to help it alieviate? Any help

Is appreciated.

Is this thread a double post?

Yeah it was sorry, I had this one up for around a week or so with no reply so I posted the other one in a different section in hopes of getting a response. I know it's kindof unnecessary, but I just wanted some good advice before my first Tren run.

no nothing wrong with that.Most i ever used was 600 mg..the more u use the better the results .It does come with sides some bros feel it more then others.Tren works best for me as a recomp drug some like to bulk with it..I dont bulk well with it..What are your goals?

I'm planning on doing a cut/recomp myself. Trying to drop as much fat as possible while gaining or at least maintaining muscle mass.

run the test a few weeks before starting the ace..I wouldnt do tren for a second cycle but if your gonna do it up the dose to 350mg

Thank you for the reply. Would there be a problem

With me starting at my previously mentioned dose and ramping up? I'd rather be as cautious as possible. I know tren is a serious compound.

Im sorry @wallyd I just saw that you addressed doses. Thank you. I'm very wary of prolactin sides, so if I have to I'll drop the teen if things get too crazy.

Unless I read it wrong this is his second cycle. If you insist on using tren a I would start it after a week or two of the test e. I would start at the dose you suggested, you can always add more later if you are handling it ok. It can be harsh so be prepared and listen to your body.

Ok thank you, so basically run it once my body has gotten used to the test. How do my doseages look for first time Tren use?

whats the purpose of the cycle first??? are you trying to cut, is it a strength or bulk cycle for you? knowing the goal will help guide the advice toward your end result desired. Sounds like this is second cycle, is that correct?

Sorry I should have added more details. I plan to do a slow cut. Something of a recomp I guess. I want to cut as much as possible while maintaining/ gaining as much muscle as possible. Diet will be on point up until my cycle and for the duration. Or basically as long as it takes to look the way I want ha. Yes this is my second cycle.

Hello everyone,

So here's my question, I'm getting things together for my second cycle. First cycle went well, I did a 10 week test e only cycle at 500mg per week.

My plan now is to run the same dose of test for 12-14 weeks with Tren Ace for 8 weeks at 200/250mg per week. I will have caber on hand as well as Aromasin.

My main questions are does this look like an appropriate dose? And does it make a difference if I run the Tren at the beginning or end of my test? Is there any kind of an advantage to it's placement? Any recommendations welcome.

Thanks in advance.

Hello everyone,

So here's my question, I'm getting things together for my second cycle. First cycle went well, I did a 10 week test e only cycle at 500mg per week.

My plan now is to run the same dose of test for 12-14 weeks with Tren Ace for 8 weeks at 200/250mg per week. I will have caber on hand as well as Aromasin.

My main questions are does this look like an appropriate dose? And does it make a difference if I run the Tren at the beginning or end of my test? Is there any kind of an advantage to it's placement? Any recommendations welcome.

Thanks in advance.

I wouldn't really trust any ugl aromasin or anti estrogens due to the fact they def aren't as potent as real pharmacy grade ones I had bad experiences with ugl ai. To answer your question 12.5 will def keep your bloat down as well raise your igf levels as well

Unfortunatly UGL is really all I have access too as far as AIs go. So maybe it would be a good idea to use the 25mg dose to try to offset the lowered potency?

Hey navychief and rai080 I think you guys better check your estrogen levels something's not right.lol To the OP just do a basic Dbol,test,Deca cycle. It's simple and works. You can play around later with other things.

Thanks for the advice! I'm somewhat wary of nandrolone derivatives because of the possible sides I've read about, but I might use that in a future cycle.

I think I'll just stick with the standard test/dbol cycle for my first run then.

Also, just to check, it would be a better idea to run 12.5mg of Aromasin EOD as opposed to 25mg? Would 12.5 still help keep bloat and any estrogenic sides down?

You said this is your first cycle and then state as bold above in your quote that you had estrogen issues from a past cycle. So is this your first or not?

Sorry, as for clarification, I have used prohormones in the past, so it's not my first cycle I suppose, but I was referring to my first cycle of real gear as opposed to prohormones. I'm well aware that they're crap haha.

However, in regards to the estrogen issues, it wasn't Gyno, it was just a considerable amount more water bloat than I was expecting given the compound I was running, and I assumed it was estrogen related. I'm somewhat cautious by nature, so I was just trying to take the better safe than sorry approach.

The only reason I was going to add the mast over dbol originally was because I had read a few newbie threads here that said it would be a good idea for a first cycle. I do realize however that that isn't the standard first cycle.

So, what I'm understanding is that it would be better to run the same amount of test, but for 12-14 weeks, with a 4 week dbol kick start correct? And lower AI dosages?

Out of curiosity, would it make a difference to run Tbol as opposed to Dbol?

I'd ditch the mast this time, bro. Just see how your body handles 500mg of test e a week. If you're really wanting to add another compound, kick start it with dbol for the first 4 weeks. Also, if you're pinning the glute... I'd go with 25g 1 1/2 pin with your stats. Just to make sure you get deep in the muscle. Good luck, and enjoy!

Thanks for the advice! I'll definitely go with the 25 1 1/2 needles then. The reason I was adding the mast was just to add some additional hardening, estrogen control, and free test increase. If it's going to do more harm than good I can ditch it tho. I'm wary of estrogen issues because I had some on a cycle in the past. But if d-Bol would be a better choice, I could try that.

Greetings everyone! I posted quite a while ago about getting my first cycle together, but then I wasn't in a position to be able to afford to run a cycle due to that I was about to get married. Plans changed (women are crazy) and now I have the money and time to run a cycle. So here's my plan:

Cycle:

Test E 250mg(Per inj) Mon/Thurs 10weeks

Masteron 100mg(Per inj) Mon/Thurs 10Weeks

Exemestane 25mg Every other day up until PCT

Post Cycle:

Clomid 50mg per day

Nolva 20mg per day.

My current stats are:

6'3"

220

I've run only Prohormone cycles in the past, and I'm ready to move on to the real deal. Also, a side note, I'm planning on pinning in the glute, and I will be using 25g 1in 3ml pins.

And comments or suggestions are more than welcome

Welcome aboard brother. Another SR member I'm thinking?

Yep! You got it right ha. I am on SR as well.

Thanks for the welcome everyone!

welcome! Im a former fat kid as well haha

Haha good to see I'm not the only one. The one nice thing is I bulk like a boss.

Well guys, I'm HxCTy.

A little about me:

23yrs old

6'3

218lbs.

Max bench: 270x2

Max squat: 315x3

Max dead: 405x2

Was a pretty chubby kid all through my early teen years and got into working out around when I turned 16. Got down to 190 after being all the way up at 245 but had no muscle so I still wasn't happy. Since 18 I've been getting more and more into the fitness lifestyle and I love it.

I have a lot of support in my lifting goals as my father used to be an amature BBer back in the day. I don't know if he ever used, but given some of his stats and his knowledge on the subject I wouldn't be surprised.

I've done a few PH cycles(with proper PCT), and now that I've done more research I know that real gear is definitely the way to go for more quality lasting gains. I posted a few months back asking questions about a first cycle and have just been planning and preparing since.

Currently the plan is to run Test C or E at 500mg per week for either 10 or 12 weeks. Probably sometime around April.

If anyone has any questions go for it. I'm always open to suggestions and recommendations. I've already learned a lot from reading the posts and stickies on this board and I appreciate the chance to learn.