johnny

no solution did not crystallize.

I think they were talking about it crystallizing in your glute or inside the injection site. Thats why cagedfreak commented above about it feeling like broken glass when it falls outta solution and begins to crystallize in the muscle...it might not crash in the vial or jug the recently brewed oil's in if you took your time making it and heated it slowly, step by step for decent amounts of time but its still impressive it didnt crash in the vial. Then again it normally starts to fall outta solution in the vail when factors change from that of when it was made like temp decrease or change after its sat around awhile.

Again as cagedfreak already mentioned...the problem dosent seem to be sterility or ude notice more then pain & warm to the touch as the spot with some swelling and the pain would start to get intense, with usually puss or a welt developing when the body starts to try and push it out, plus you'd start to 'feel' rundown almost like the flu with a body temp jump.

My advice is basically simular to every1's above which is to atleast use 2%BA or even 2.5%BA atleast if your going to tryn do a high mg/ml ration with it still like 300mg/ml & thats the highest ide try to go with the test E to play it safe but still keep the mg/ml ration up there. Also a strong suggestion of atleast 18%BB which is still low in my opinion scence personally ide do a 2.5%-3%BA and 20%BB ratio if I was making 300mg/ml Test E. It has always been my understanding that both ba & bb help get the gear into solution but the BA is the main reason it stays safe-sterile in the vial and helps keep it from getting infected in the shot site and the BB keeps the gear in solution in the site once the BA has been soaked up by the muscle after afew days and is gone, so the BB would be the thing helping it not crash 'long-term' with a high mg/ml brew like 300 which is what im pretty sure your dealing with, though the mg's im sad to say will have to get lowered some. But if it makes you feel any better or helps for later planning I personally know if ya need a high concentration or long ester mg/ml gear then you can do a Test Enanthate-Test Cypionate or Test decanoate and do like 175mg of two of which ever you choose and reach the 350mg per ml goal you were trying to reach with no problem or discomfort what so ever!;) Thats easily done with a 2%BA-18%BB ration and ive never had any problems with crash (in the vial or shot site) but the only place ive ever even seen suggested to use the 1%BA-5%BB ratio's you ended up trying were on 'basskilleronlines' site with is some really useful info mixed in with alot of out of date idea's and tips but hope this novel helps ya out some. Take care bro, & play it safe!

Good advice already given. DONT TRY ANY WEIRD OR OFF THE WALL SHIT ON YOUR PUP! Im a dog owner-lover myself and my pup has the same probs but I think your just worried and not thinking clearly...hearts in the right place but the simple answers are the best in this case.

>The 2 supps suggested above are always a good start. Dont go crazy on the brand just the highest mg for your $. Remember u have to be consistant and it wont be noticable for awhile but the other things here help also.

>NO INCLINES (LESS=BETTER)! Its not movement or stress in general but incline-decline's that further progess the damage and keep the problem aggitated in general. Other things like....

running

swimming

walking

firm/comfortable bed (not your bed jumping on and off)

playing fetch

pulling weights (more for young dogs but still ok for dogs with this prob)

THE POINT IS THE MORE THE DOG DOES THAT ISNT OVER WORKING HIM BUT KEEPING HIM ACTIVE THE BETTER! THE MORE THEY SIT AROUND THE WORSE IT GETS!

>THINK OF THEM LIKE YOU'D THINK OF IMPROVING YOUR OWN HEALTH (MINUS THE AAS SUPPS OF COURSE). You mentioned overweight...thats a big no no right there! Im not saying its going to fix him but feed him healthy, exercise regularly, keep weight healthy (reduces more stress off the joints and the dog's whole mind/body than you'd ever imagine) and mabey say the supp's mentioned above regularly along with avoiding incline's and declines is the best you can do which will be more than you think and your dogs lifestyle with improve the more you stick to it and put the time in that he needs.

HOPE ANY OF THIS HELPS...I SUCK AT EXPLAINING SHIT AND ALWAYS COME OFF SOUNDING LIKE A DICK WHEN ITS NEVER MY INTENTION. IT TOOK ME FOREVER TO SIFT THREW ALL THE CRAP ON THE NET-DOCTORS TOLD ME THAT IF U DIDNT KNOW IT (I MEAN REALLY KNOW THAT ALL U HAD TO DO) I FIGURED IDE TELL YA WHAT NO1 WOULD TELL ME.

TAKE CARE BRO AND I WISH YOU AND YOUR PUP THE BEST.

JOHN.

*THANK YOU FOR POSTING THE VIDEO & LINK FOR IT*

I agree AAS have gotten a bad rep that has gotten so blown out of proportion-reality to the point I am now in a category of 'criminals' for making a personal choice to obtain & use for the purpose of improved health. Worse than that is the unknown amount of slowed progress into research and the prescribing of these substances of a legitimate medical nature to the people who need & could also benifit from AAS to the degree of a life or death nature due to a medical conditon:( Our country is great in many ways and protecting us from threats foreign and domestic is one of several things that give me great pride to be fortunate enough to live here. Unfortunatly it has several flaws that could be easily fixed if we as a whole updated or basis of operation. Laws & regulations are to easily imposed and next to nearly impossible to reverse once set in action. Sadly enough our country is losing one of the things that we used to pride ourself on as a part of what makes this a great country....LISTENING & BACKING UP THE WANTS & DESIRE'S OF THE PEOPLE FOR A GREATER GOOD BEST FOR THE PEOPLE & NATION AS A WHOLE SO WE ALL PROGESS & BENIFIT TOWARDS THE GREATER GOOD OF ALL TO A BETTER FUTURE! It seems we've lost our sence of honesty and integrity, doing things only for a hidden agenda toward personal benifit turning the back on our fellow man giving the message 'every man for himself' which is greatly the cause for this delima. We are part to blame (AAS users in general) for hiding and ignoring the start of the problem until it his this far of a problematic state. I doublt the witch hunt and prosicution will end in our lifetime on AAS or any other area we failed to intervein on until it reached the point of a 'threat' to people as a whole. Think about how easy it would be if people as a whole took the pride our forefathers did to be involved in our nations laws & regulatons from the start. That combined with making changes to reverse the backwards process of law enforcement in reguards to making the difficult & lengthy part of the law making process the enactment part and the shorter part of the process the reversal side of what should be trial or temperary laws for a probationary time period.

EXAMPLE....

SEATBELT LAWS: Great idea for some, hated by many, even those who supported the governing safety laws at the beginning until the outragious ticket costs and nazi like enforement began (when it seems local agencys are 'short come quota' or as we non officers like to say 'funds' :)

SOLUTION: If laws could be quickly altered and put on a new 'trial update phase' then all partys could be happy.

*All citizens under 21 (a set age) have to wear a seatbelt or the proper harness (car seats for children). Failure to do so results in a penalty not related to currency such as community service for the area of residence registered to.

-When a person hits the age stated he is given a choice. I picked 21 in this case for due to it being an adult age plus an updated licence is issued in most case's anyways due to licence background color alterations. IF YOU WAIVE THE RIGHT TO IGNORE THE SAFETY GUIDELINES IN A FORM & SIGN IT STATING YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH THE GUIDELINES AND SHALL PERFORM AT YOUR OWN RISK WAIVING LIABILITY....A CHECK MARK IS PLACE IN A BOX ON YOUR DRIVERS LICENCE INCASE PULLED OVER FOR THE OPTIONAL RISK.

-People who support the law can get community service as a reminder to 'buckle up' and those who dont agree seatbelts are for their own safety or who just choose to proceed at their own risk avoid ANY-ALL further fine's and or harrassments such as penaltys, searches & hassle. PROBLEM SOLVED OTHER THAN FOR THOSE WHO BENIFIT FROM SUCH 'PERSONAL HEALTH CHOICES'!

HOWS THAT FOR A LONG FUCKING COMMENT TO A TOPIC ARGUED TO DEATH. I APPOLIGIZE TO THOSE OF YOU WHO ACTUALLY READ THAT NOVEL AND SPENT FOREVER LOST TIME OF YOUR LIFE DUE TO ITS LENGHT. NOW DO SOMTHING ABOUT IT AND START FIXING THIS ONE TIME GREAT NATION SO THE TIME I STOLE FROM YOU WAS NOT IN VEIN! PEACE & RESPECT.

-John-

IVE TRIED.....(throat clear)....I mean a 'friend' of mine has tried round orange (I believe to be 20mg cialis) from IPLOL They were as good as any UG brand an definaltly got the job doneWink

Spent well over 12yrs researching any and everything related to AAS and the only thing ive learned that hold steady & solid is more = less in this field. Im really into reading up on what the latest waisting syndrom research show for disease's such as HIV, AIDs and cancer's...this is where the majority of AAS see the most use-trials in other than burn victums and people recovering from starvation (which rarely get any attention being 3rd world problems without total med availability). ANYWAYS TO THE POINT....

The most interesting studies ive come across were cancer patients that voluntered for testosterone injects to try and promote positive rebuilding (protien synth) which is basically what were mainly striving for. They tried super high doses that wernt released (anything over 750 ive never seen so im guessing it was a gram plus...agian just a guess). The high dose patients responded the worse to the testosterone which is what we as BB notive alot. Unless we build a high tolerance and our receptors down regulate binding to less test making us have to have more readily available we only have room for so much. The most interesting part was PEOPLE SHOWED EXTRODINARY RESPONCE NOT TO THE AMOUNT BUT THE TIME THE TEST WAS TAKEN!

What I gathered from the trials....

>Long acting test (enanth, cyp, decanate) were used in low to moderate dosing for our standards say in the 250-500 range a week.

>Short acting (prop being the most common used) was taken at times of physical activity (for us being lift days) at doses of 25 up to 50mg each time.

So a cycle for an experienced juicer would only be say....

600 long test a week

50mg prop 3x ew on total body lift days (25mg lift days if you go say 5x ew).

The dose is administered the morning of and this allows a spike in the body triggering heightend response and a larger degree of obsorbtion causing the body to go into a shock state of repair allowing less test to be used for greater effects.

The subjects were instructed to maintain a moderate diet but told to consume a higher level of cals, fats, protn, vitamins ect pre activity and to avoid restricting cholesterals (sp? on most of this..its 2 early) due to negative effects on test actually performing its job on low cholest acess.

Not exactly what you were looking for with asking about high dose cycles (pretty much the exact opposite) but you seemed to be wanting new out of the ordinary idea's to toy around with for an up coming bulker so figured ide bore you with things ive learned that most of society (at least the slim majority of sane...key work sane cause most of use are not) could care less about. Either way hope this sparked some creativity for you goals. If you want anymore info or need more specific data just ask.

Laters.

Try to not let your symptoms go to your head.

If you've ran cycles before this then you should have a feel for whats considered "out of the ordinary" as to sides and how you react.

Most of the test is outta your system rather quickly with the sust and the longs are at a mild level so even if you do have signs of gyno you seem to be ontop of things reguarding how your body reacts change wise so it shouldnt get to a problematic level. I always cycled with an anti E for the first few runs then decided to cut the anti E's out after them never noticing a legit (not it my head) problem. Started getting way better gains just going threw the motions. It is possible the fast acting esters are causing your hormones to fluctuate up and down resulting in puffiness and bloating of the nipples resulting in itching which has happened to me before. This kinda has a chain reaction in the terms of negative phych effects or it did for me...

*Fluctuating hormone levels caused bloat.

*bloat made my nipples itch.

*itching my nipps caused them to get earitated and itch more-swell more.

*Then lifting partners pointed them out after I swelled them up (by itching)-made em red.

This caused me to take everything under the sun to combat 'Gyno' which I most likely never had (other than in my head) leaving me with half assed gains and a cycle stopped short from being parinoid.

In all respects you might have the onset of gyno which you seem to be ontop of but I wanted to give you a fresh perspective and example to prevent any rash decisions leaving you with a new parinoia thats undeserved. Only you know what your body can handle and is telling you. Just dont jump the gun.

Hope this help's.

Laters.

I thought we were friends DaRooster! Im not sure what im more hurt about...

The fact that you took naked pictures of my Lady...

The fact that you posted the pic's of her online for the world to see...

Or the fact that SHE LET YOU!!!

OK I made up my mind....

IT'S THE FACT THAT THE BITCH LET YOU TAKE PICTURES OF THE GEAR IN THE CLOSET!!! That cycle was supposed to be a surprise for you this Christmas:D I hope you fucked her in the ass cause I'll give you one guess where I hid all that gear before we hit customs-border patrol:silly: Now that the surprise is ruined im gonna have to keep a pallet of the Sust. I hope you learned your lession.

As stated 8 weeks minimum for any long ester compound. To accuratly answer the question if it relates to you wanted to really use it the answer to these questions would help EVERYONE give you a more percise-useful answer.

1.How much-what type of test-ester?

2.Goals your trying to acheive (Bulk-cut)?

3.Experience (past use...times used-length-dose) with the chemical (EQ)?

4.Company (Underground-vet-homebrew-**NOT THE HUMAN ORIGIN!!!**)?

Equipose is one of my favorite addatives to run with any cycle bulking or non. I would run it the same as test meaning a must for every cycle if it was available like it was a few years back with all the vet ********s. As of late I only use it when I know im going for a special goal (personal health goal).

THESE ANSWERS ASIDE....Reguardless of its long ester there are many things you can do to get around an extreamly long cycle of EQ when you have time guidelines like a deadline, drug test, moral rules of length on when cycling. A few examples of this are a follow's...

1. Frontload the EQ (or any 4 that matter). Contraversal but but so is the whole idea of AAS reguardless. Just up the dose the first few weeks. EXAMPLE...Say your desired dose is 400mg. Take 600mg for the first 2 weeks. At the end of week 1 your levels are at 300mg. At the end of weeks 2your levels are at 450mg (50mg above your goal). Week 3 start intended dose of 400mgs. By the END of week 4 your levels are at 425MG WHICH IS WHERE THEY WOULD OF BEEN NORMALLY BY THE END OF WEEK 7 OR 8. This is being based off of 7 day half life which im pretty sure its longer than that so again in theory it should be higher than that soon from only 2 week front loading with an extra cc a week.

2.More frequent shot. Instead of 1x a week you could do 3x a week and again in numbers theory your blood levels on a 7 day half life (which I know its longer so it would build quicker) would be higher therefor in "Theroy" getting you to a higher level of hormone quicker reaching a gainable level faster (if the human body just dosent take awhile with superficial hormone levels to start responding in general...in that case we waste alot of gear:) )

Example of more frequent shots...

ITS 6AM..DID YOU REALLY THINK I WANT TO DO THE MATH FOR 3 SHOTS BASED ON A 7 DAY HALF LIFE:p The numbers are somthing like by the start of week 2 the 1st shot is down to 33.25/2nd shots at 50ish/3rd still at 58ish. Those are guess's but they give you an idea.

OHH..Was there supposed to be a workout routine to evaluate or were we supposed to evaluate are own routine? If it was our own im the one who put a check by 1:) I never feel its up to par anyways but its ok cause I blame it on answering questions on this board that are 2 long, over explained, and waisting my time writing things that the person who started the thread alread knows. Thats right...I have no life! But I do have one and im estatic!

Ive always liked the idea's of short cycles. They seem to be the best when you look at them from a scientific and muscle building point of view both. Other than all the injections which get old after awhile and sore the advantages of short cycles are endless...

*Gains are made by the time long esters start working.

*PCT is started before most of the problems associated with aas appear.

*If side effects arrise you dont have to wait weeks for the ester to clear before you can discontinue the product or have to suffer with no control.

*More cycles per yr giving you time to adjust or switch compounds, try new things and just get a feel for what works and dosent.

*Fake gear is spotted almost immediatly for those who are new at knowing.

*More control over planning runs around daily life and the unexpected.

*Less time shut down with more natural harmony to your system.

I can go on and on. For those of us that respond well to prop im surprised we dont get more indebth with most of these ideas and talk more about them.

Skull....

Now that one is much more alarming. Ive never ran across any info on aroma such as what you pasted but it is very useful to say the least. By chance how did you run across it? Now I feel like most of the studys medical journals post on aroma only tell half the story and unfortinaly its always the have that gets the most users for their product:017: This is EXACTLY why I like studys on things that show all outcomes instead of selected knowledge from articles. Im guessing the reason aroma works so well for me somehow revolves around me only taking it at the beginning of my cycles very low dosed and spaced out until my levels of AAS are up with no sides then I discontinue.

*I agree 100% on BB not being a quick rewards sport...or atleast until you get the groove and realize the general everyday health benifits. To many guys take AAS for the wrong or uneducated reasons and then they buy into the crazy theroies that revolve around the compounds and sport in general. THE MAJORITY OF GOALS PEOPLE FLOCK TO BB FOR CAN EASILY BE OBTAINED WITH DIET AND MINIMUM EXERCISE. SAD PART IS THATS THE LAST THING THEY WILL EVER TRY IF THEY EVEN DO TO REACH GOALS.

THANKS FOR THE INFO SKULL. No matter how much you learn you can never know everything specially when it comes to our health.

Ellinwood WE, Hess DL, Roselli CE, Spies HG, Resko JA.

 

Experiments were conducted to examine the role of aromatization in the control of LH and testosterone secretion in adult male rhesus monkeys. Treatment of male monkeys (n = 7) with sc Silastic packets containing the aromatase inhibitor 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione (ATD) resulted in 1.5- to 3-fold elevations in serum LH and testosterone concentrations in six of seven animals. Concurrent treatment of ATD-treated monkeys with small quantities of estradiol-17 beta (n = 4) abolished the stimulatory effect of ATD. During ATD treatment, peripheral estradiol levels were reduced by 30% and hypothalamic aromatase activity, as determined in vitro, was reduced 80-90%. The lack of androgenic or antiandrogenic activity of ATD was demonstrated by its inactivity in either a mouse seminal vesicle bioassay or a highly sensitive penile spine bioassay. Furthermore, ATD did not react with rat prostatic or hypothalamic cytosol androgen receptors

YOU HAVE A RHINO...THATS SO COOLLOL OK not to sound like the dumb kid in class but I dont get how this show's aromasin is negative at all. I mean I see where iT says adding the estradiol worked negativly with the andro's (aromasins) positive effects but not sure how that proves taking aromasin cancels out gains? THE STUDY SHOW'S THAT AROMASIN ACTUALLY HELPED INCREASE TESTOSTERONE CONCENTRATIONS

"(ATD) resulted in 1.5- to 3-fold elevations in serum LH and testosterone concentrations in six of seven animals." AND THAT AROMASIN LOST THIS POSITIVE EFFECT WHEN AN OESTROGEN WAS TAKEN WITH AROMASIN (NOT ESTROGEN INCREASE RELEASED AS A SIDE RESULT OF SUPPLIMENTAL TEST INCREASE)

"Concurrent treatment of ATD-treated monkeys with small quantities of estradiol-17 beta (n = 4) abolished the stimulatory effect of ATD." I gian excellent on it. I think I see where you coming from when you say people have taken it and not gained. Thats where proper use comes in. As I stated above Aroma dosent block the receptor like nolva (which is the the anti E that blocks other receptors NOT aromasin) it actually lowers or supress production to a degree for some time so you dont have to constantly take it to get the benifits like other anti's. BUT...if taken to long or to much it will stop the majority production of oestrogen and as a result preventing alot of gains not from it disableing test obsorbsion in anyway.

*What site did you pull that study off of? I like to print all the studies and info I can.

MuscleBoundFool...still not sure if I understood just exactly what you were looking for. If I was on the right track of you wanting to find the best anti-e to suit your own paticular need, keep estrogen levels benificial, and not reek havock on your entire system I HAVE PILES UPON PILES OF ACTUAL MEDICAL DOCUMENTS, LITERATURE, AND TRIAL STUDIES ranging anywere from the first tests, to rats and guinee's, up to human studies start to finish. THE LITERATURE PART ON HAND I SAVE FOR REFRENCE HAVE EVERY ANTI-E WE COULD EVER GET OUR HANDS ON AND CLEARLY STATES THEIR EFFECTS ON JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING THEN GIVES YOU COMPARISONS OF THE LOT. If you think this would help you answer your question (if this is even what your looking for?) just say the word and I will copy the main part, summerize (but leave all the Ref's for you), and post which ever or all the main types up.

*Seeing as how I was already ranting about aromasin I'll post up a few parts from what I have on it to give you an example.

*Exemestane: The lipid effects of exemestane have, perhaps, been more closely studied than those of the other aromatase inhibitors. In animal studies, exemestane reversed the increase in LDL cholesterol and total cholesterol seen in ovariectomized cycling Sprague–Dawley rats (Goss et al, 2001).

In a 3-month study compared with anastrozole and tamoxifen in postmenopausal women with breast cancer (n=30), exemestane produced a small decrease in serum cholesterol and LDL cholesterol, decreases in triglycerides and HDL cholesterol. HDL cholesterol was least effected in total and not to any influential extent (Kataja et al, 2002). In the same study, anastrozole showed similar results except for a small increase in HDL cholesterol (Kataja et al, 2002). The EORTC trial 10951 randomized 382 postmenopausal breast cancer patients to exemestane or tamoxifen once daily as first-line treatment in the metastatic setting (Atalay et al, 2004; Paridaens et al, 2004). A companion substudy to this trial analysing effects on lipid profiles revealed no adverse effects on total cholesterol, HDL cholesterol, apolipoprotein A1 and B or Lp(a) levels at 8, 24 and 48 weeks of treatment with either exemestane or tamoxifen (72 patients included in the statistical analysis) (Atalay et al, 2004). By contrast, exemestane decreased but tamoxifen increased triglyceride levels. In the Greek substudy of the TEAM trial, which is comparing tamoxifen with exemestane as initial therapy, baseline lipid levels have been compared with levels at 3 and 6 months of treatment in 37 patients. At 6 months, exemestane appeared to stabilize total cholesterol and HDL cholesterol levels as did tamoxifen (Markopoulos et al, 2003). Exemestane had a nonsignificant trend to increase LDL cholesterol levels at 3 and 6 months, but reduced triglyceride levels at both time points and by about 10% at 6 months (Markopoulos et al, 2003). Finally, although cholesterol levels were not systematically measured in the recent IES study comparing exemestane with tamoxifen in 4742 women, it was noted that there was no significant difference in the incidence of myocardial infarction between the two groups (Coombes et al, 2004).

With regard to postmenopausal patients with early breast cancer, results were reported at the 2004 ASCO meeting of the effects of exemestane, 25 mg day-1, vs placebo on lipid and coagulation profiles (Krag et al, 2004). After 2 years, lipid profiles were similar for exemestane and placebo with decreased levels of cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, triglycerides, apolipoprotein A1 and B and Lp(a) seen in both groups. The only difference was a small decrease in HDL cholesterol seen with exemestane only (Krag et al, 2004).

*SHORT SUMMARY FROM A CONCLUSION ABOUT SEVERAL ANTI-E'S:Concern about lipid changes associated with aromatase inhibitors leading to increased cardiovascular deaths has not so far been borne out in the limited data from adjuvant trials. Of the available data on effects of aromatase inhibitors on serum lipids from short-term studies, exemestane has little or possibly a slight beneficial effect on serum lipids, and anastrozole appears to have little effect or possibly an adverse effect, while letrozole may have a detrimental effect.

***IF ANY OF THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED I CAN POST MORE ABOUT ANY TYPE YOU WANT JUST ASK.

Take care bro. Sorry for the long ass post. Hope any of this was of help.

Interesting, maybe that's why Aromasin is not as hard on HDL levels as the other anti-e's because there's still keeps estro levels manageable.

I thought that same thing the last time I was researching which Anti-e to use to combate sides but still give me the benifits of oestrogen. When I came across aromasin it was so interesting to me and seemed like the possibilitys were endless as far as having the most control of my oestro-ldl-hdl. I dug up an old bottle I had and started guinee pigging:) Good to see you around brother...it wouldnt hurt my feelings one bit if you sent me an update on how you and the fam's doing every couple years or so:) All that work is bad for your health!

Im not sure if I understand the ?.

1. Are you wondering what exactly the role of estrogen is in the way of muscle building and other benificial effects and what is the most benificial ratio?

2. Or were you wondering what Anti-E was the best to block sides yet still see the benificial effects of estrogen?

3. Or BOTH?

I have studies on the benifits of estrogen (which you stated) and how each anti e effects estrogen in your body.

* I normally take aromasin at an extreamly low dose sometimes as few as one time a week for only certain weeks of the cycle. The reason I picked this paticular anti-e was because it meet the goals I had in mind...or atlest thats what the studies I found stated.

IM SURE YOU KNOW THIS BUT IM SAYING IT JUST FOR OTHERS TO SEE.....

NOLVADEX: This substance leaves the estrogen in you body so you still get some bloat and other sides associated with it because you body still has all the elevated levels floating around in your system (which is what you seem to be looking for). The only thing nolvadex does is attach itself to the same receptor that estrogen fits in and stays long so the estrogen is still floating around in your body it just can not lock on to the receptor site finishing its journy for the latter half of the sides you see such as gyno. The reason people take this for gyno then say the lumps still there or getting bigger is because estrogen is already locked into your breast tissue....the nolvadex you already took has done its job you just have to wait the half life out of the estrogen already attached to finish its run.

AROMASIN: This is my anti'e of choice. I like it for the following reasons (which might be what your looking for im not sure..but you didnt mention this).

a. It dosent block estrogen but mearly stops part of the production so the estrogen is still present just like nolvades but theres less of it.

b. This is probibly what sold me on aromasin. WITH AROMASIN YOU ONLY SLOW DOWN THE PRODUCTION WHICH IS ALREADY HIGH IF YOU ON AAS. AROMASIN ALLOWS THE ESTROGEN LEFT IN YOU BODY (YOU CAN ADJUST THE LEVEL TO THE HIGHEST YOU CAN TOLERATE) TO ACTUALLY STICK TO THE RECEPTOR ALLOWING IT TO DO WHAT ITS SUPPOSED TO. SO NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE ESTROGEN STILL IN YOUR BODY AND AT A LEVEL THATS HIGH ENOUGH FOR YOU TOO SEE THE BENIFITS OF...BUT YOUR BODY ACTUALLY USES IT UNLIKE NOLVADEX AND MOST OTHER ANTI-E'S.

AROMASIN ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE THE MAX LEVEL OF ESTROGEN YOU CAN HANDLE IN YOUR BODY AND STILL USE IT AT THE SAME TIME.

Sorry for the long post. Im sure you know most if not all this info but I didnt hear you mention aromasin and it sounded to me like that the type of anti'e you were looking for to accomplish your goals. IF YOU DO CHOOSE AROMASIN...read all the studys on dosing because it stops production for awhile so once you get it too low it wont be back to normal for awhile. Less equalls more when it comes to aromasin.

Hope this help brother. Take care.

Thanks DaRooster...ive been wanting to watch that for some time. People kept ranting and raving about it...not sure why (mabey cause it didnt bash AAS as much as other documentary?)

My thoughts on the video....

1. WAY TO LONG. I kept waiting for the part about AAS then I realized there wasnt going to be one...other than he's to scared or lazy to cycle himself.

2. Why was there no mention of Types, Doses, Duration, Effects, anything?

3. I wish someone would have told me it was about a guy who was overly obsessed with fake wrestling with a disfunctional family that wanted to know the reason to life and that it had nothing Positive, to negative, or basically anything at all to do with sports enhancement in general other than his life journy to acheive it.

I dont want to bash it to much cause it could have been worse.

Positive points about the video....

1. The budget director for the war on sports enhancement was worth the length of the movie alone. The man pretty much stated for the record he has no idea about ANY of the situations he's directing and from what I gathered dosent even know what planet he's on until his assistant tells him:)

2. Mr.Hooten was also a laugh. I feel for the man...its unnatural to out live your child but he was clearly using AAS as an outlet for his morning over him pushing his son to the brink of suicide. How can you have a foundation based solely on Banning AAS when you know absolutly nothing about them. His son took one of the most know drugs on the planet to cause suicidal thoughts in teens and he somehow fails to grasp that thats what might have caused his son to do what he did...most likely cause mr hooten was the one to have his son put on the anti-d in the first place so he's shifting the blame.

All in all it made me more confused and upset than anything. I was just hoping for a video that glamorized sports enhancement I guess:)

Sometimes I think all the extra test on this board gets us off topicWink

In reguards to your am I sure test only is a good idea and would I suggest another compound such as deca....SHORT ANSWER NO.

LONG ANSWER...(Im seperating the two seeing as how I rant ALOT).

TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST TEST. Im not suggesting it just for the simple reason its your first, second, third, billionth cycle whatever. Testosterone is what makes a man a man. It defines your body and they way it looks muscularly purportioned. Your body see's it as the most influencial thing when added to buid muscle wheather your bulking, cutting, or just using it to change the way you look in general. EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST ADDING TO WHAT THE TESTOSTERONE IS DOING meaning it is increasing the anabolic effect by adding deca or increasing the androgenic effect adding anadrol (yes both have an influence in anabolic and androgenic but you get the point). When we start planning a cycle we get so cought up in adding other things to the base test that we loose sight that the mojority of our results are coming from the test and we sometimes overlook the importance. TESTOSTERONE is all you need to acomplish ANY goal you have in transforming your body in reguards to a muscle shift when training.

EVERYTHING your trying to do should be revolved around you DIET and that will control the majority of what you see result wise from the hormones your putting in your system....dont believe me...take a gram of test and eat 2 crappy meals a day and lift 7 days a week. I bet you get not even half the body transformation that a guy that takes 300mg of test and eats 6 clean meals and only trains 2 days a week total body power lifts. One of the hardest lessions for me to learn was the most obvious which is your body reacts like this Diet (majority), Training after that, then supps you take. So the moral of the story is dont over think things. Take some test and focus mainly on what and how much you eat then dedicate your time to proper training with tons of rest and you will easily obtain whatever look you desire.

I was about to say to you to give her my number if she's SUPER horny, as I'll take of her needs, BUT if she's 35%fat then forget it!!!ThumbDown

 

Hmmmnnn.............although if she's still horny by November I will have raised my Test dosage by then and by that time NOBODY IS SAFE!!!:agreed: :D

I cant let you do it Snachito....well not alone that it! Sounds like a two man job! THE BUDDY SYSTEM!!!

As for the 500cal diet...I dont know where to start on that. I was "Injured" awhile back and my diet was shit...im talking I went from eating 6 meals a day to sleeping 48hrs and eating tops 2 meals EOD and I thought I was going to DIE! I couldnt get outta bed, was depressed, looked like a skeliton, and had no energy to do ANYTHING let alone physical activity! I thought there was a ton of things wrong with me and it turned out all I had to do was get outta the rut and start forcing food down and everything starting returning to normal. The fucked up part is when I was swole I got comments but when I look like a had been in a concentration camp every fat person I knew thought I looked great and asked how I did it! Fucked up society we like in!

If I had no concence I would open up a supp shop. Every overweight guy I know waist's hundreds a month on BB supps that claim to work like steroids and do nothing and everyone of them refuses to exercise and they all think eating 4 healthy meals will cause them to gain weight and look "To Big"! I tell them those supp do nothing and they will never look like a BB even if they wanted to. ITS ALL DIET AND EVEN MODERATE EXERCISE BUT THEY ALL ACT LIKE THATS THE HARDEST THING ON THE PLANET TO DO!!!

I really like how you have a simple, short, low dose cycle with pct on hand. I can only make suggestions from experience and let you go from there. My suggestion....TEST. THATS IT. You can run it at what you have but from experience I would go with 500mg or even 600mg if your gear is dosed at 300mg a ml but 500 is better. Reasons for my suggestion.....

1. Test is the main base ingredient in ALL cycles...see how you react to it. If you get any sides you'll know what its from and know what to expect from here on out which ALOT of us wished we would have done from the start.

2. EQ is more of a long cycle drug. You can run it 10 weeks and I know guys that run it 8 but from experience on how it works best for me is 12+ weeks at a dose no lower than 400mg a week which is alot to shock your body with.

3. Masteron is simular to injectable proviron. It's basically a hardening agent and good for contest prep where short injects are used to avoid that bloat look and come out dense looking. Unless you plan on having libido problems which I doubt with the test the bloat will be there reguardless and it's not as noticable as people think plus your going for some bulk so why bother. EVERYTHING is an add on after test...you can reach almost all goals with test alone.

4. Test alone is going to give you more than what you expect with the proper diet you speak of and why saturate you system with tons of diffrent things when you body will respond amazing to test just about every run.

5. Test alone saves you time, money, and inject hassle with ALL the benifits.

Thats pretty much sum's it up. If you have ANY questions before, durring, or after you cycle just post them up or feel free to pm me if you feel its private or an emergency and we'll see what we can figure out. Hope this helps.

Johnny.

I have rand this by many folks its my first cycle idea. What do you all think?

Im 32 I weigh 187 six foot even and my body fat is at around 11%. I have been training for 7 years, mostly for speed and performance. I want to put on maybe 15 pounds of muscle and diet I know is the key. Im a fanatic when it comes to my diet. Here is what I was thinking.

Total 10 weeks-

1-10 300 milligrams Of Test Enanthate

1-10 300 milligrams of Equipoise

6-10 Matserone 100 milligrams every other day.

 

I already have the nolvadex and have read up on post cycle therapy.

He just pointed out the obvious that all of us have been yelling from the beginning. How did this country turn into a bunch of followers instead of leaders....meaning people used to look at both side's of a story not just the media's point of view and our government used to be able to prioritze and seperate the important issues from the issue's that needed a bullshit speech to calm down public panic but let the problem work itself out threw common scence. Its seems the other way around these days. Our government seems like some bullshit talk show that focuses on the topics that intertain and gather a crowd all the while real problems are never solved and are overlooked and eventially become to big to controll. Steroids should be nothing more than an OTC hormone that if cought with are seized unless proof of sale (caught doing it) is present then probation should be suggested. ITS NICE TO SEE SOMEONE IN POLITICS PLAY DOWN STEROIDS WHEN IN THE SPOT LIGHTS INSTEAD OF JOINING THE WITCH HUNT TO SAVE FACE.

 

And Johnny I think you answered on the wrong thread brotha!! LOL!! But we still love ya!!

Atleast somewhere people care:) Are you messing with me about being off topic??? I havent been sleeping more than 2-3hrs a night lately (unavoidable stress). I know its about contaminents but Hab was using the data to inform us about the problem and to get advice about what his buddy should do...

Copy-Paste from starter thread....."I'm interested in the opinion of the community on whether my buddy should pass on the EQ for now?? Below is the article. Thanks for the input. Best, Hab"

Good to see you around Snatchito...Check your emails and hit me back. Sent you a message awhile back and im not sure if it went threw.

If your buddy is running test and EQ I would say skip the eq and save it until he gets more info. BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY. I know this isnt the answer he wants to hear but I bet he knows its the truth. He can always just run the test he has for the cycle and any other compounds he planned...he will still get great results...EQ is just an addition anyways. He can always get ahold of where he got it and ask for some info if they are directly related to the company. Were all in this game for our health and we should never take unwanted or avoidable risk for the sake of gaining that little extra. Thats the point where lifting for health turns into the media view of dangerious use.

Thanks for the info. Boards been slow lately but its good to see everyone's still on the safety tip anyways. Good to see you around.

P.M heading your way soon. Take care.

John.

***Is case you check your post for updates this was just posted by a very knowledgable and up to date member.....

Contaminated and Underdosed Products - From Meso

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Below is an article recently posted on Meso. A buddy of mine was about to start a cycle consisting of QV test enan & BD Boldabol (origin is popular UGL). Most are aware that BD has been UGL for a while. We were concerned about the contamination findings of toxic heavy metals on BD Boldabol. Although the article does not specify the lab or the origin of the raw materials, however, it safe to say there should be some concern (especially with all of the recent instances of contaminated products manufactured in china). I'm interested in the opinion of the community on whether my buddy should pass on the EQ for now?? Below is the article. Thanks for the input. Best, Hab

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http://www.mesomorphosis.com/blog/20...-contaminated/

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Identities of Underground Labs with Contaminated and Underdosed Products Revealed

Posted on 23:54 September 25th, 2008 by Millard Baker

William Llewellyn and Ronny Tuber recently tested 14 anabolic steroid products from various underground labs (UGLs) for toxic heavy metals and quantification of steroid dosing. Twenty-one percent of the steroid products were contaminated with lead, tin, mercury, and/or arsenic; 64% were significantly underdosed or overdosed. Most notably, the names of the UGLs that “failed” the quality control testing analysis were omitted.

MESO-Rx has uncovered the identities of the labs that failed the tests based on a February 28, 2007 Body of Science forum post by Ronny Tober. We contacted William Llewellyn alerting him to this publicly posted information. He wanted readers to realize that there are serious “chain of custody” issues involved in the testing of such underground anabolic steroid products. This is the reason that he is unable to reveal and/or confirm the identities of the products that failed the testing.

The steroid samples tested were tested at the request of a popular Scandinavian board and obtained on the European black market. As such, there are no guarantees that the chain of custody has been preserved. In the underground androgen black market, it is not uncommon for counterfeit products of other underground products to be distributed. The products tested may or may not be original products produced by the company on the label. It is with this understanding that MESO-Rx is releasing the following information.

The following products were contaminated with toxic heavy metals:

British Dragon Boldabol 200 10ml (Boldenone Undecelynate 200mg/ml)

Generic Anabolics - 10ml - Boldexol (Boldenone Undecylenate 200mg/ml)

Medical Inc - 10ml - Primobol Depot (Methenolone Enanthate 100mg/ml)

The following products were significantly overdosed (greater than 20%)

Nordic supplements – Methandienone 25 mg/ml

Swe Supplements - 2ml - 250mg Testosterone Enanthate

Microbiology Labs - 10ml - Testopropin (Enanthate 250mg/ml +Propionate 75mg/ml)

Generic Anabolics - 10ml - Paraxol (Trenbolone Hexahydrobenzyl Carbonate 76mg/ml)

The following products were significantly underdosed (greater than 20%)

Medical Inc - 10ml - Primobol Depot (Methenolone Enanthate 100mg/ml)

Shark Labs - 10ml - Cypbol (Testosterone Cypionate 250mg/ml)

GenericPharma – Primobolone (Methenolone Enanthate 100 mg/ml)

AmplioLab – Trenbolone Depot (Trenbolone Enanthate 100 mg/ml)

The following products passed both tests:

Diamond Pharma Group - 10ml - Diamond Cypionate (Testosterone Cypionate USP26 200mg/ml)

Lizard Laboratories - 10ml - Testosterone Cypionate 200mg/ml

Troy Labs - 20ml - Deca (Nandrolone Decaonate 250mg/ml)

I want to thank Anabolics and Body of Science for undertaking these quite expensive product analysis to bring this information to steroid users and potential consumers of underground anabolic steroid products.

During my conversation with Bill Llewellyn he informed me that he is hard at work on the revised and expanded version of “William Llewellyn’s Anabolics (9th edition)” which should be available in October or November 2008

I see your post was edited. We pretty much exclude any talk like that these days (even the bare mimimum) so were not confused with those other boards that are only in it to make a buck and get undeserved attention.

As for your tab question I know you said pm but I want others to see incase my info is out of date or has changed.

Havent heard alot about the pink tens in awhile. As you stated they are pink with a 10 on one side BUT THE OTHER SIDE HAS A BD DIVIDED BY THE BREAK LINE. I am assuming this is what you meant??? When British Dragon first came out with these alot of people had good results. Im not sure if any new ones have come out or if they still are around but then again this all boils down to trusting your friend at the gym. If you already have them then when you take them you'll know in a few days if there real or not from bloat and that muscle tearing pump you get after a few sets. As a note of caution AAS in general are few and far between and most people that have them are keeping them for personal use so I hope these came from a friend that got them awhile back and was sitting on them and decided to help you out...if not I would be suspecious cause there has been a drought scence uncle sam stepped in with his "Boosting America's Estrogen" bill. Hope this info helps. Take care bro and good to see your still in the gym.

Kinda like pot bro. Its the pharmaceutical industry. Pots better and safer than popping oxycontins and tylenols but the Industry wont let that happen. Its huge money for them.

Yet another topic that pisses me off. Its not that pots illegal seeing as how I react horrible to it and never care to be around it again. My problem arrises more from the fact that the reasons they use to criminalize it are lies with no solid backing. Again its all about profit. All the people who keep it illegal make more money with it banned. I guess you can also take into consideration the brain washed general public that are scared of it from what they are told by the outlawing party. I wish our county would just be honest with the people. It makes us look stupid as a whole in the eyes of the rest of the world when they see what our laws and regulations are based off of. Would it kill the pharm companys and government to be honest just this once and say "We based our policies off out of date infomation...as soon as we get ALL the facts we will adress the situation properly". They could still drag out legalization until their lifespan was over not to loose any profit and at the same time save face. The way I see it the only reason its illegal is because any and everyone can produce it themselfs! This cuts out all the profit to be made from the pharm comps cause only a small percent would buy it and the government would have to focus on real crime instead of another easy low risk scape goat with huge profits.

*OK these type of topics need to be put in their own section:) These questions hit nerves and I find myself trying to vent yet make a valid point at the same time....this leads to drawn out answers that most in this section dont want to have to read.

*SHORT ANSWER:) POTS ILLEGAL DUE TO THE POWERS TO BE LOOSING UNLIMITED AMOUNTS OF MONEY. THE PEOPLE THAT BENIFIT ARE NOT THOSE WHO HOLD THE CARD AND HE WHO HAS THE POWER MAKES THE RULES...Wow that was short but dosent back up my point:)

Hey Johnny very well put, looks like you had a few few legal research and writing classes.

The funny thing is what I wrote was WAY TO LONG and didnt explain my points half as well as it should have.

I was asked a few yrs back to write an article on AAS ABUSE for the university I attended. I wrote the article but instead of ABUSE I wrote it about AAS USE:)...(it had points from above but mainly talked about how everything the general public knows is a lie and had the proof). The guy I wrote the paper for HATED AAS with a passion and was terrified with what I had written. EVERYTHING POINT I USED WAS BACKED 100% WITH MEDICAL STUDIES, DOCUMENT, AND TESTING! He told me that the head of his department freaked when he read it and spent WEEKS trying to discredit my ******s with no luck! The department head then said they couldnt publish it but faxed a copy over to a major newpaper in my town. The paper was looking for AAS writing to publish to get reader...they wanted shocking "eye catcher's" to get readers attention for sales. When the head of their department read it and yet again also tried to dicredit it even sending his guys to local med facilitys....no luck. The paper then faxed back the school paper the entire article and hand wrote a message on the title page...he said and I quote "If I publish this article not only will the powers above fire me but EVERY (in caps) american with half a desire to be fit and look good including myself will consider using AAS to obtain that goal! Not only can I NOT publish this but I would advise you to burn it if you value not only your career but your reputation!". Thats the jist of it atleast. The bastard even signed it! Atleast he was honest. I FRAMED IT AND IT IS HUNG ON THE WALL IN MY DINNING ROOM! It wasnt until then that I truely realized how brain washed our society is! He runs the damn paper and he dosent even know what he prints about AAS are lies! Doubt that he cares though...crap sells.