johnny

why are you taking T-4 instead of T-3?

I thought the same thing. Mabey he read AR's article on GH/IGF-1 and how it worked more effective/efficent when cycled with T-4. Let me get back to you on the doses.

The exact same thing happened to me a few times in a row then I realized I was slacking on the carbs surounding my IGF injections and wasnt getting enough fluid during the workout. More carbs+fluids=no IGF verdigo during training. It is scary as shit when it happens though.......I at least had my training partner there who was going threw the same thing to a less degree. Try the suggestions and let me know if it stops or continues.

Prop/tren everyday for 8 weeks was the only cycle I was amazed by. Everyday I felt and looked diffrent to a noticable extent. It also hurt like hell:)

quick question, while running igf during cycle and during pct, is it even needed to use hcg because of igf reverse testicular atrophy? i normally run hcg at 500iu ew during cycle, thanks again.

HCG does a more complete job in a scence. I stopped running HCG during cycle after a controlled study I did on myself. I did not recover any faster using HCG during cycle as compared to just using it during the last two weeks at 750iu EOD. Now when I just used IGF/nolva for PCT with NO HCG my lab test came back a little off as compared to just HCG/nolva PCT. My quickest recovery yet was from IGF at the start of PCT for 30days with HCG for the first two weeks (of nolva pct) and aromasin threwout.

So to sum it up HCG it's better than igf at reversing it......but IGF with HCG has given me the best results yet with my nolva/aromasin PCT. I hope this answered your question and did not confuse you more.

Did you ever think that it has nothing to do with the gear at all.............and that mabey you let the little head do more thinking than the big head and ended up making a stupid decision??? Bottom line........you messed up! Go get your girl back cause its sounds like you had one of the good ones and try not to mess it up again. On the gear note........your methods for taking AAS are not very well thought out. That is not meant to be insulting cause you apparently know how to take gear (you yourself said you should at least be on 2cc test E) your just not doing it for some reason. You could be having mood issues cause your most likely not even replacing the test your body should be producing naturally with the dose's you take......not to mention you yourself said your not taking the sust properly...EOD my friend or at least every third day. Not to sure why your running the nolva either??? Come off the gear, do a PCT, and appoligize to your girl. Simple. When your done with your PCT go get your levels checked out by a doc and go from there. Let me know how it works out for ya.

hopefully ur not over 200pds. it is suggested that those who way over 200pds should do at least 60mcg a day.

I way 240 and I only do 40mcg after my workout. I get great cold pumps and the size/fat reduction is amazing. I upped it to 60mcg one cycle and noticed no diffrence.....I then upped it to 80mcg and still no diffrence......lastly I upped it to 100+mcg and got very sick and dizzy. I have stuck with 40mcg from there on out and have gotten no decrease in gains what so ever. Then again each to their own cause I have no medical data to support my reasons....im only going off what works personally for me. I say try 40mcg for a week then up it to 60mcg....if you dont see a drastic change then keep it at 40mcg for a while.

OK, I now have 2mg of IGF-1 to add to my cycle, which I am two weeks in to right now

dbol 40mg ed 5 weeks

test e 600mg/wk 10 weeks

eq 600mg/wk 12 weeks

winny 50 mg ed wk 8-10

 

Considering this is my first time using IGF-1 how do you guys suggest implementing it into my cycle? I appreciate your help, Thanks.

I would start taking it ASAP. Try 40mcg divided in two shots after your workout. Do that for 25 days (1mg worth) then take the other 1mg the same way starting with PCT. Sound good to anyone else?

I think the cycle looks great but I have also heard you could have problems if you take tren when deca is not cleared out of your system.......mabey prolactin build up?.....never really looked into it. I took 100mg prop/100mg tren ED with a very clean diet and got hella ripped (kinda moody but ripped). Keep us updated please.

I would think it was caused not by the deca but by the sudden change in hormone concentrations in your system.

Tren worked the best for me but IGF came in a close 2nd........Clen didnt really impress me much more than ephedrine.

100mcg is a lot to start with bro if you have never used it before. I would start around 50mcg ED and work from there.

I second that.....100mcg is a lot for the first time. I started with 40mcg and got great results. I upped it to 60mcg and didnt notice much of a diffrence. I then upped the dose to 80mcg around day 40 and got pretty sick feeling with virdigo and nausia (sp?). When I do it again im sticking with 40mcg for PCT.

Up your test to 600 or above.

I know several people who counted on AAS as a form of birth control and all of them wound up with kids while on heavy cycles. I do not know the science behind using testosterone as a form of contraceptive but I have read about it mostly old studies of it being tested in china a while back......their studies showed great sucess but thats not what real world experience has show me. Bump for more info and good luck.

Thanks to everyone who replyed.....its always nice to get a variety of opinions. I think im going to dilute it with 1/2cc masteron, that seemed to help when I ended my last cycle with prop. Its only going on day four and I feel great. The first day I was sick as hell but it let up yesterday and today I feel great. Thanks again everyone.

yup, its normal, just suck it up.

Im sure I can deal with the pain vicmack777 but it kinda made me nervious that the soreness lasted a few days before it let up..... I have never used tren before so I was just checking. Did you ever use anything to dilute you stack or no? Im curious to what works in reducing soreness. Thanks for the reply.

Will adding B12 at like a 1/4cc help with the soreness/burn from the taking prop and tren togeather or should I add like a 1/4cc masteron???. Im taking 100mg prop and 50mg tren ED and the soreness stays for like 3 days.....is this normal?

This last one was the longest cycle to date but the gear (cyp/eq/deca) was underdosed to say the least. Im leaning more towards fake.

1-5 dbol 30mg ED

1-13 Test cyp 650mg EW

1-12 EQ 400mg EW

1-12 Deca 250mg EW

13-17 Test Prop 150mg EOD

13-17 Masteron 100mg EOD

Aromasin threw entire cycle M/W/F

PCT was.....

Nolvadex and clomid 6 weeks with LR3 IGF1 for 5 weeks at 40mcg a day. The IGF was amazing for PCT......its been months and my muscles are still constantly dense. Im about to start a tren/prop/var cycle, I hope it lives up to the hype.

I'd run the test a lil longer, 12 weeks, and cut back on the a-dex, EOD or ETD or as needed etc.......................

otherwise nice brah

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I used to like 12 week cycles also but then I started reading articles by A.R and really liked his thoughts on running a cycle until you get your goals desired for that stack (pre set of course) whether its nine weeks or 17 weeks.

It looks nice and simple......I like itThumbsUp How many cycles have you done in the past? Have you taken Adex before? Mabey try taking only .5mg EOD.....that should be enough to do the trick. What numbers are you going for protein/cal wise?

Dont take the jokes personal bro.......your not the first person to ask this question and im damn sure you wont be the last. I would not waste your money paying someone for source information.....that in itself is a scam. Theres no secret to becoming excepted in the world of bodybuilding or online AAS chat. The moment you signed up for this board you took a step in the right direction. Just stick around the boards for awhile and get to know everyone.....you said your pretty educated on AAS so chime in and help out a few people if possible. You can even do some searches in the archives (Sp?).....if theres one thing I do know its that you can never know too much about AAS. Not sure if this info helps or not but either way welcome to the best board on the net.

Can someone tell me what "Slin" is. I honestly have no idea? Is it slang for something??

If your not joking it stands for Insulin.

The imediate thing I can see is that your PCT was way to short and weak. I dont think you would have any sides from clomid at that dose for that short of a run. Are you sure your not still supressed? ohh and congrats on your win......do you have any pics post up in the members pic's section?

I'm running Morning Stars Ultra Sust. = 175mg cyp., 175mg enanth., and 100mg prop. total 450mg. And his Deca 325mg. Running 1cc each Mon. Wed. and Fri. Also his 55mg D-bol, 101mg a day. I'm hoping this cycle kicks ASS, looking to bulk up before summer, what you guys think?

You should play around with the running pattern of this cycle a little more.....Your running over a gram of steady test a week which is fine but the deca is a bit too extream if im reading this right (3cc a week = 975mg). One of the reasons for stacking is to avoid extream doses of one drug and your running a pretty heavy dose of three. The dbol is definatly an overkill.....I have heard that MSL 55mg dbol kick ass and 110mg of any legit dbol is too much IMO. How long do you plan on running this cycle??? Try somthing more like this......

1-6 55mg dbol ED (still a pretty heavy dose for a decent amount of time)

Then run the test m/w/f at 1cc and the deca at 1cc twice a week (m/f) until you've hit the desired size you want......this could be 8 weeks it might be 15 or 16 weeks. This is still a good cycle even if you have a few already under your belt. Just focus on your diet first, then your training and I bet this cycle will give you the gains your looking for.

Not to sure on the pre-mixed seeing as how ive never had any experience with it myself. If your talking about getting more volume so its easier to draw out a certain amount then yes just add another cc of AA. I would go with the kits that have to be mixed yourself only cause ive had good experience with those. What dose are you taking and for how long???

This sounds like somthing you should talk to the admin or a mod about......somthings not right with this situation. You got banned because someone stole your money......that cant be right. I also agree that W.U is to big to pull petty scams and if they did you could raise hell and someone above them would figure out whats going on. Hope things go better for you.