johnny

Mine stayed but I also ran the anavar ED with it.....not sure if that helped it stick or not. I was also on aromasin threw the entire cycle so the gains I did see basicly stuck.....didnt have much water retention or sides of any type for that matter.

masteron was a very good compliment to my prop at the end of my last bulker. I used 150mg prop/50mg anavar and 100mg masteron EOD and my muscles felt very full. The combo also gave me a very good feeling of well being in and out of the gym. Yes it is costly but if you have the extra loot you should give it a try.

BBOYBIGS.......Bro I got 750mg of test layed out in every cycle I proposed (Iran test enanthate). Thanks for the heads up on the tren though.....that is one compound that I have no experience with nor do I know anyone personally who has ran it......so im pretty much going off what you guys know. My last cycle was test/deca/eq/dbol but the gear wasnt all that great and gains were decent but not what should have been expected from the doses I took. I want to run a long cycle but im not too worried about extream size......just quality size and strength.....but dont get me wrong I'll take all the size I can get im just in no hurry. So what do you think......give test/deca/eq/dbol a try again???

Which would you guys prefer for a 16 week cycle. Im trying to up the strength a bit and add a little more size. Both are kick started with dbol (naps) for 5 weeks and aromasin throughout.

 

750 Iran Enanthate

600 EQ

 

OR

 

750 Iran Enanthate

300 Tren Hex

 

OR this even........

 

750 Iran Enanthate

400 EQ

300 Deca

 

Which of these do you think would deliver more quality gains? Any other compounds you suggest? Not starting the cycle right away.....just toying with idea's. Theres is so many combos it gets confusing trying to pick a cycle.

I like taking the IGF before my workout also.......the pumps are much better and I seem to get more out of the IGF that way. Could just all be in my head though. I like to hit the muscle's im going to train that day......workout.....then take an hour or so nap......seems to work good for me that way. I say try it both ways and see which you like better.

It's the Benzyl Alcohol the IGF is stabilized in causing the burning "sensation". BA burns when injected and depending on your sensitivity to it, can cause redness and soreness in the injection site which can last a couple days depending again on your individual sensitivity to BA. When you add Bac water to your syringe, you are not really "diluting" you are ensuring the syringe/injection clears all the EXPENSIVE IGF out of the syringe and into your research animal, the BA will still cause burning/stinging when using BW for this purpose.

 

GOBIG

 

Ya I see what you mean about flushing all the igf in the muscle with the water. The weird thing is......when I shoot the igf into the muscle for the first time it burns like hell and gets all red and sore, but once the muscle has been hit once the stinging gets less and less with every injection I put in that certain muscle. The vascularity from this stuff is amazing.....not to mention its leaning effect. I will definatly use this again.

Thanks guys. It slipped my mind that lower doses of diffrent compounds could lower the chances of possible sides. See 5000 heads are better than one burnt out one:rasp:

So could other compounds give you somthing that you would never be able to achieve off test alone in the long run?....or is test only just a slower process? If im not making scence feel free to stop me at any time.

A friend of mine has been researching AAS and asked me how much of a diffrence it made (long term result wise) to throw somthing in with test as apposed to just using straight test all the time. I was kinda stumped when I understood his queston entirely and it got me thinking about my next cycle. How much diffrent would it be running 600TestE/600EQ as apposed to just 750testE for 14 weeks? Would I truely be able to notice a large diffrence from the test by adding the EQ other than slight vascularity and some minor denseness? How much does adding somthing in with test really change the results of what the test would do?

Yes nolva for PCT will be fine....you might want to think about adding a Type 1 Aromatase Inhibitor (check out Anthony Roberts PCT...its very informative). As for the whole EQ time thing....if you havent purchased your gear yet then look into bold cyp....that way the test and EQ kick in around the same time and you get the full EQ experience. Are you planning on kick starting this cycle with an oral....dbol perhaps:g:?

 

Bros,

 

AB is my new home...I used to post here, occasionally, under the handle "Ferrus"...I've been out of the game for awhile, now ready to come back in (divorce is final, lol)...Last cycle was about three years ago...I've used test enth, prop, omna, Aratest, EQ, fina and winny in varying dosages...currently: 39 yo, 6'1", 210 lb (been as high as 245), probably 12% bf

 

I'm planning a simple 10 week cycle of test enth at 325mg/week, EQ at 650/week...I know that conventional wisdom says you need to run EQ for 12-16 weeks, but this is an experimental cycle to see how I respond after three years off...test enth is there mostly for libido and well being, I'm not looking to blow up...goal is sustainable lean mass, slow steady growth...long term goal is GQ look, not mass monster

 

I need PCT advice...I'm not gyno prone, balls have always stayed relatively full, and I usually kept gains pretty well after cycle...I hated clomid because it turned me into an emotional little bitch, so I'd rather not use it

 

can I get away with Nolva only for PCT of the above cycle?...I don't see the need for HCG, Arimi, etc...please correct me if I'm wrong

 

Thanks in advance for all responses

fleem you thinkin about trying igf or have you already? As to part of the above question I have been diluting it with sterile water before injecting but im very new to this.....the stuff hurts like hell sore wise and it feels like your injecting bee venom. Im gonna hit my tri's today:(

Fleem my brother where have you been.......how have you been? I rarely see you post anymore and its kinda depressing.......you pretty much guided me threw my first sucessful cycle then dissapeared......sucks man I really enjoy reading your input on things. How you doing brother?

I was under the impression that it was a vet company also. I used their cyp/deca/eq/and prop in my last cycle and it was the worst gear (if thats what it was) that I have ever used. I tried to get rid of the bulk amount I had left but anyone who tried it never wanted to touch it again. I still have a ton of this crap at my guys house. Anyways I was told it was an actual vet company and that was the impression I got from their web site.....I even talked to someone claiming to be a rep that checked my batch numbers......I could be wrong though. Either way the gear was bunk.:(

Yeah im thinking im gonna be getting some hgh soon. Probably just run 2ius M-F for 10 weeks.

 

Are you getting morning wood?

 

Sorry it took so long to reply.....no im not getting morning wood. I always have cialis on hand for pct and I take a small dose every 3rd day.....that way if I have to bone the wife in not stuck making lies up. Im about to finish up week 2 and im feeling fine. I started the LR3 IGF1 today and let me tell you this shit feels like your injecting bee venum. I hit my right bi with 20mcg then worked out and hit the other with 20mcg...ouch!!! Other than that I feel great compared to regular clomid PCT in the past.

Just an update. I think its a week anyway? I dont really keep track. Anyway, i stopped the test probably 4 weeks ago and ran some anavar for 10 days. I just decided to stop and do the last 2.5 weeks of Feb on clomid. Im probably 10 days into the clomid. So far im still getting morning wood and im able to have sex so im very happy.LOL............Im probably going to get some hcg soon and just do another 3 weeks of clomid after the hcg and nolva.. Ive been shut down for so long i probably need it. I know its unorthodox. But again, it really wont make a bit of difference . I was probably looking at having to run PCT twice anyway just to get back on line.

 

Glad to hear things are going well for ya.....im like 2 weeks into my PCT and it sucks. I hate clomid at any dose and just dont like the general idea of being off. Im always tempted to jump right back on but im trying LR3 IGF1 this time with PCT and that starts on monday so well see how things go.

I appreciate you looking out....I have done winny before but I just dont know the break down how how much. There is actually a doctor in my neighboor hood who recommended how much I should take after blood work and some other tests. So i am pretty sure that I am taking the right amount I just dont know what the measurment is.

 

After blood work a HRT doctor told you to take 300mg then 600mg for three weeks then 300mg for the rest:confused: What are you supposed to do when your testosterone levels plumit and you have no sex drive? what are you going to do afterwards to turn you normal test back on? Bro im not trying to insult you at all......im looking out for your health and safety. Its good your asking questions. Research is a step in the right direction. I would advise you not to take the deca at the current moment unless you want no sex drive or desire for the next year or so. Search the boards for a while and you'll see im not joking. Take care bro and I wish you the best of luck.

How many of you premix a days worth of protein in a milk jug or such? A while back I read an article saying that after a few hours in water protein is broken down and looses its effectiveness.......any truth to this or no?

Hey BBOYBIGS.....I have my LR3IGF but im not to sure on how to mix it. It has 1g of LR3 in a little bottle....1ml of AA in another bottle and 10cc of sterile water. Do I just mix the AA with the LR3 draw the desired amount dilute the shot with some sterile water then use?

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="Gage" data-cite="Gage" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="8233" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>What do you suggest bro for the PCT. MDC you have some very interesting post bro . I learned a lot from this one.</div></blockquote> <p> </p> <p> That post by MDC is what Anthony Roberts suggests for PCT........he wrote the article.</p>

<blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="MDC" data-cite="MDC" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="8203" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>No you want to go IM with this bro. 80 seems pretty high I would cut it to 60 and go longer with it IMO. Makes it easier to measure out if it is in more liquid. You can take straight out of the vial if you want though.</div></blockquote> <p> </p> <p> Thank you MDC I appreciate the help. I overheard someone saying it was IM but I wanted to double check here first. I will give 60 a try and let you know what happens. Again thank you for the help.</p>

I have been considering using IGF during PCT at 80mcg a day for 4 weeks. I have noticed for the drugs popularity theres not a ton of info on it. Its taken like GH as for as injecting(not IM) and needle size correct? Also if it already comes suspended say 1000mcg to a vial does it have to be diluted or taken straight from the vial? Sorry for the simple ?'s but I gotta know. Thanks to any and all who reply.

<p>I wouldnt try it. It raises free testosterone but I dont think it has any PCT benifit thats been documented. I also think it only works when your own HPTA is functioning properly. It might have some positive effect during a PCT routine with HCG, clomid and nolva but I have never seen any studys. All I can say is try it with your regular routine and see if you like it better and let the rest of us know.</p>

upper glute is fine bro. If your only going into week five you will still gain plenty off the test. Good luck with your training.

Ok bro, ill give the diet/training research a try for a while before I start a cycle.

 

Thanks brother......your making the smart decision. If you need any help dont hesitate to pm me and I will see what I can do for you. There are plenty of good people on this board so if you research and come up stuck thats what were here for. Take care and start on that diet brother.

How often should clomid be taken, and i should wait 2 weeks till last shot of cycle to begin clomid?

 

DO NOT TAKE AAS! This is not meant to be an insult. You are not ready in any way shape or form to take gear. It is not going to do anything for you if taken incorrectly. Bro you are 19 and just getting started in this game.....why not stick around with us for awhile and learn the basics first. You will pack on just as much weight on a proper diet as you would with a poor diet and AAS. All I ask is that you post pone your plans for a couple weeks and dig threw our old posts and stickys to see whats going on with diet/training/and AAS usage. If by then you still feel your ready.... what do you loose.....a couple weeks? Give it a try and tell me what you think.