johnny

Did you try doing a source check with one of the mods??? They always give me a heads up on who to stay clear of.

Scence Yohimbe pretty much coverd this one I will only add 1 thing. Make sure you have your PCT mapped out and on hand before you start the cycle. Good luck.

excellent post....his points are explained very well. Keep the info coming bro.

Originally posted by ryan400

I got one of the big 118cc jugs of deca a while back, worked fine for me. The 50cc jugs are just how some of the remailers are rebottling and selling his stuff. Not sure what your asking about, are you talking about the qulaity of the product cause if so the size of the jug it comes in doesn't really matter. most people will tell you IP is pretty much hit or miss. If you are worried about quality its probably better to go with a different brand.

Good answer ryan400...I was gonna post on this the other day but IP is a sticky topic with many mixed reviews (which is not good) and I was not quite sure what he was asking. I too have use the 118cc bottles but would not recomend it other than a last resort.

What are you using them for? I use HCG and Nolvadex for PCT. It worked much better than my first clomid pct. This next cycle im gonna try a combo of all three.

Originally posted by goheavy63

I talked to wicked and he said he has never changed batch numbers. See below

 

Havent read the thread in awhile,, Ill go take a look but the lot numbers

havent changed since day 1,, havent had time too. But think about this,

, every batch except for the first one has been over 300 plus vials,,

can you imagine how many people would be screaming their heads off if

that many vials were bad? Itd be insane, I couldnt give away my vials

for free if that ever happened,,,

Wick told me the same thing awhile back when this whole debate started. My roomate is on week six of his MSL test E cycle.

He ran 2cc a week and he has no complaints....he looks like the marshmellow puff man he has so much water retention but test always does that to him really bad.

I store all my loose tabs in film containers. My 1cc glass amps I put in bullet cases, and I store it all in a small fire resistant safe...to keep out of reach of children of course:D:D

Originally posted by newb-user

o i have clomid / nolvadex do i only take it if i see gyno and if i do see it when do i start the nolv ?

If you start to notice gyno then start the nolva right away and continue throught the entire cycle.....you can take the nolvadex or clomid or both for PCT. Just time it out to the longest ester in your cycle....this being cypionate in your case so two weeks after your last inject.

Good to hear bro. You should take some pic's of it now and after it heals and post it up in the members pics section. My friend had it done and his chest looked a 1000 times better after it was all said and done....and you cant even tell he had it done.

Your 17 DO NOT JUICE....sorry muscle up I beat you to it:D o:)

Look if your bound and determined to mess up your body you might as well do it right. Try this cycle...

1-5 20mg dbol

1-10 400 Test (cypionate or enanthate either one)

PCT...Traditional 21 day clomid theapy.

Its cheap, effective and the doses are pretty concervative. Have nolvadex on hand in case of gyno and make sure you have all your gear and ancilliary before you start. If you are bound and determined to juice make sure you do some research on things like proper injection tec's and drug half lifes and spotting side's such as gyno. You should also have your diet and training mapped out and post it up for the forum to see so they can critique your plans. What your about to do is very serious and should not be taken lightly. Most guys debate on taking juice for years and research the topic thoroughly followed up by doctor visits before durring and after. I say stick around read up on diet and training with juice research in your spare time....then when your ready to juice you'll be on top of your game and informed more than most about the topic plus you'll have some serious time in the gym to back it.

good luck either way.

Johnny.

I think your cycle looks fine. Leave the sust at 750. If you were to use enanthate or cypionate you could drop it down to 500 and it would cut back on injects/volume of shots. Try to take a liver protectant and make sure you have a good PCT mapped out and on hand. Also...deca shuts you down pretty hard so I would suggest you throw the HCG in there. Good luck.

Originally posted by bob527

I think I see the problem, we kept our gear in a very cold area and I think it lost its suspention thus seperating. when I heated them it went clear,"back to normal" . Another question , Can you check validity by chilling and checking for seperation and loss of suspention.

If it gets real cold and seperate's then yes somthing is suspended in it....but I would not count on this as method for testing the gears authentisity....anything can be suspened in it.

If he already has the primo and is determined to run it tell him to try 200 primo and 400 EQ for 10 weeks. If its his first cycle he should see some decent gains.

I was leaning towards MSL also. I picked them becouse they have humans in mind when they make there gear (in regards to BA levels and dose), competitive prices, and he seem to be real dedicated to a clean strong product. I just wanted to get a 2nd opinion from you guys as always. Thanks for the replys.

If you were going to stock up on some gear....would you rather buy QV or MSL in regards to overall quality???

Re: Starting EQ 2 weeks before Sust Help

Originally posted by djmixin

I was wondering if anyone had any input about starting my eq 2 weeks before the sust. I wanna run the eq for 12 weeks, but i dont wanna run the sust for 12. This is my first cycle so its 400mg of eq per week, and 250 mg sust a week, with the usual nolva,hcg, and clomid at the end.

I say run them both 10 weeks. You should really consider doing 2cc of the sust a week minimum....if not switch to enanthate or cypionate and do 1cc of that a week (just a thought).

Originally posted by ryan400

Bro i have read no studies that suggest that EQ causes progesterone related sides. If you know of any could you post a link to them.

Im not relating this to anything ive read lately....I just remember hearing that EQ and Deca were closely related and that they did not convert to estrogen but progesterone (I think?) so the side's cant be combated by dex or nolva becouse they cause a build up of prolactin in the nipple....I have no proof this happens it is only stuff other bro's told me a long time ago and I could be mixing it all up. I was just looking for a suggestion on a conservative but effective dose of EQ so I dont have to combate any sides....I seem to be very sensitve to side effects when it comes to gear (sore nipple's on 400 cyp:mad: ). Thanks to all that replied...I think im gonna try 500mg.

Whats up guys.

I know most say a good dose of EQ is 400mg but at what dose would most start noticing progesterone problems or any other sides?

very interesting read. Thanks bro.

Originally posted by Massmonster32

Never used any clomid or nolva. Good luck some people are more suspectible to gyno then others I guess. If I ever decided to impregnate someone I would say yes it is needed. MM

If you never use Clomid or Nolva how do you come off??? or do you???

Re: true

If it makes you feel any better my hcg sat there 2 weeks and that was within the past month. I kinda gave up hope but it ended up coming threw. Their just real slow at JFK sometimes....hopefully this is one of those times. Those customs agents must be some big mother fuckers by now huh. Jk

Originally posted by monsterguido46

true but the pasty two were cleared the day after it came in to NYC Kennedy airport? So thats why I think its sezied. Its not enough to look into I know that. Fuck customs I need my HGH

Ya....I kinda paniced on that:D but its my first cycle so owell. It turned out to be my beaters earitating my chest. Im at the end of week 4 and everythings ok.

They caught a pack of mine with about 10 heavy cycles in it and they just sent me a letter....I just ignored it. I say dont panic and wait a couple more days.....then see what happens. Sometimes you get so anxious for your pack that you panic about things that really arnt that wrong. You still might get it bro...just be patient.

The fastest way I ever got my abs to show was jump-rope followed by crunches every morning. I kept carbs down also.

MDC is right. Ive read winny helps prevent gyno but I never heard anything about it reducing pre-existing gyno. You know the saying..... if it sounds to good to be true.