johnny

That's good to hear Ironbar. Congrats again on some excellent gains. I hope in feburary I can post my cycle week for week..It will be my first cycle (test/dbol/proviron/dex/hcg/nolva 10weeks).

Originally posted by Ironbar

sorry Johny, I cut the cycle after week 7 for reasons that had nothing to do with the cycle itself. The last day of the cycle I was up to 208. After 3 weeks of PCT I has dropped a total of 5lbs, although I'm looking alot harder so I imagine some of that was water. I'm holding at 202-203 right now, and feel great. That means on this cycle I went from 185 to 203 or gained 18lbs. Also my waste is 1.5" smaller than it was when I started the cycle, so I know there was a little bf loss. I plan to run another prop/tren/slin cycle right after the holidays. This was my first time running tren and I loved it.

Good job Ironbar. Question...now that your cycle is over, do you feel as good as you did before your cycle or better (in terms of overall health and stamina)???

Originally posted by bulkman

SUBBURN..... I have never taken winny before and was just wondering what else your taking with it?? and is 50mg ED an average dose????

 

 

Thanks

 

BulkMan

50mg is an effective dose. I agree with the winnys being one of his better products....I think they tested at 48mg per tab???

getpinz.....

Very professional and prompt service.

Big deciding factors for me are attitude and delivery. Even if the persons prices are a little more...if there attitude is positive with good communication and prompt delivery, then they have my loyal business and that of my friends.

NOOOOO.....You cant just stop posting:confused: What were the final stats on your cycle:confused: Its like watching a delahoya vs camacho tape and the last round cuts out.

BUMP for what happened!!!

Damit fleem....you always answer first....shouldnt you be working or somthing:D Im trying to get my posts up....but your not helping....well not helping me that is:p

Welcome aboard. I strongly suggest you take fleems advice. In the mean time stick around and read the old posts, that way when your ready for gear you'll know whats up and fully benifit.

Originally posted by spartan

it all worked out good, no swelling or pain. My off white carpet got the worst of it. thanks for the input guys

---Spartan

Good to hear everything worked out. Peroxide and cold water will get the blood stain off your rug bro...even if you let it sit there a few.

50mg of nolvadex E.D is too much. If running nolva try 20mg a day. Did you ever concider using liquidex threw your cycle? The liquidex will lower water retention and make your gains more lean looking.....then you would only have to take the nolva for gyno symptoms or PCT. As for seeing results on your cycle....you should start noticing the dbol by the end of the first week, and the enanthate after about week 3 (mabey longer).

Originally posted by freakmaster

Oh yeah happy birthday to me!! The big 30!vt1vvv1324 erybu7iu6v

Happy birthday:D

Originally posted by witbred

I wonder if Johnny is taking his gear as prescribed by a licensed physician?????????????????????????

Im not taking any gear...nor have I ever:D I wasnt trying to offend anyone...just adding a different point of view. The point I was trying to reach was this....Yes these drugs a very usefull in certain situations such as chronic pain...but due to daralics abusing these substances every chance they get, the regulating and cracking downs only going to get worse and worse. I agree the DEA could of handeled things very diffrently. Sorry to hear about your friend....he's one of the good people that are going to suffer due to a select few who abuse the medications:( .

Welcome aboard.:)

If its underground gear you can bake it to kill bacteria but if you just want a smooth inject theres only so much you can do.

1. Heat under warm tap water

2. Inject slowly

3. massage site

4. Sit on a heating pad:D

Let me start off by saying...wow thats a long article at 1 in the morning!!! As for the D.E.A. I rarely agree with any of there causes. Not that I promote drugs but some shit on there lists are far from drugs. The article expresses several good points. We all should agree that the majority of these extreme laws and regulations should never come about...but it only takes a few stupid people to ruin it for everyone. I personally hate opiates! If people would follow the guidelines of these drugs and NEVER take them when not prescribed (I know hypacrite) then a lot of these problems would never exist. I wish oxycontin or vicodon was never invented.... just becouse 5 of my friends are down the street from me (cemetary), and it was due to those drugs and stupidy. Im sure those drugs have a very good place in medical practice...but lets face it, most of those people are all smacked out on that shit...pain or no pain. So until we as a country learn to stop abusing every little substance on the planet...our government is going to keep on taking away the few freedoms we have left.

Seen it before. Don't get all weirded out on us now:D Im thinking you just took the pin out a little crooked....no air bubble. Put a warm rag on it and massage it (no fag jokes please). Warning....theres a very good chance that your going to have a rather large bruse there, but rubbing alcohol should help with that. Tell us how it goes.

I'll translate the above info for ya:D

Weeks 1-4 Dbol 15-25mg E.D (oral) in divided doses.

Weeks 1-10 Cyp or Enth 400mg divided shots (2 a week)

Weeks 1-12 Liquidex (liquid arimadex...oral)1/2cc (.5mg) E.O.D

Yes Nolvadex is fine for PCT. Run it like this....

Weeks 13-14 Nolvadex 40mg E.D

Weeks 15-18 Nolvadex 20mg E.D

The dianabol is not really nessicary for a first cycle. Granted it will give the kick-start you mentioned....I think you'll see good results with 400 test a week. The reason some dont suggest sust is due to divided opinion. Some feel it should be injected at least every other day to take advantage of all the esters. As for Deca or EQ....you should cross that bridge when your ready for it. They are two great steroids and both have their advantages. Oh, and the liquid arimadex can be purchased at any research company... A.K.A ancillaryguys;)

Whats up.

No deca...it shuts you down pretty hard and its recomended for the second or third cycle. As for loosing everything on dbol...I used to think the same thing but a lot of bro's swear by it, saying they actually keep a lot of the strength..just loose water. You dont have to stack too many things..I think you'll be suprised with somthing simple like 400cyp for 10 weeks. If your set on using the dbol, then try only like 15-25mg E.D for 4 weeks and see what happens. Stay a while on the board and tell us what you decide to do.

Welcome aboard C.

Listen to MuscleMaster. Keep up the training and get your diet to its max. Once you start packing on weight naturally hopefully you'll realize that steroids are just a tool to help you go above and beyond certain limits. Would you rather go from 140 up to 175 now and only reach limits that you would have anyways naturally??? Or would you rather wait a little while longer and hit 175 naturally then reach 205 jacked and stacked??? You tell me what the better goal is??? Good luck in college...what are you going for???

ICN's are usually not fake (Ive heard of none). They had a problem with underdosing a while back but im pretty sure thats all taken care of. There companys changed there labeling so many times in the past....hence your different lots/markings. The 3507 are from a more recent batch. Either way your amps are good.

My shoulder has a shooting pain but only when weight is applied. There is no swelling but when I lift (bench, or military- press) my shoulder releases this numb shooting pain threw my arm??? Does this sound like a pinched nerve.....if so what can I do about this (rest and stretches)??? Whats the average healing time? Thanks.

Damn:mad: Thanks for the advice everyone. I hate avoiding my shoulder muscle (starting to see excellent results). Its been two weeks of no upper body except sit-ups and forearms. I think the break made me grow though. To bad its gonna have the oppisate effect any longer. Then again I dont want to rush it and get screwed any worse. As for the doctor.....I hope not:( I avoid them like the plague. I usually have my sister (registered nurse) test my blood pressure and what not. Thanks again and I will keep you all posted.

Re: post cycle recovery ?

Originally posted by big roid

I have 5 weeks of nolva at 20mg a day. Should I use it all. I only have 8 tabs of clomid I'm just gonna run 50mg a day for 8 days thats all I have. I need more but can't get money. I guess it's better then nothing.

YES use all the nolvadex. I like this post cycle.

40mg nolva last 2 weeks of cycle

HCG 500ius M/W/F last two weeks of cycle

20mg nolva & 50mg clomid for four weeks after cycle

If thats all the PCT meds you have availability to try them like this.....(Im assuming its a long ester test here???)

Two weeks after last shot take....

40mg nolvadex E.D for one week.

20mg nolvadex E.D till you run out

50mg clomid starting with the 20mg nolva dose till you run out. Note that this is not a very good post cycle routine. This therapy will help but is not the recomended effective doses you should be taking. Try the first routine next time and tell me the difference

:D Good luck.

Dont do it man:D There have been many people, including me, that try to save money by buying IP's products. Here's some things ive learned threw the years....

1. The majority of his oils hurt due to high alcohol content. Adding sterile oil to them helps but why even bother.

2. He does have some very good products. Some of these are Dianabol (50mg) winstrol (50mg) and Equipoise (200mg/ml).

3. There are several other underground labs that offer just as good if not better products for an equall or lesser value.

4. QV is better quality gear than IP and very reasonably priced.

5. HUMAN GRADE GEAR IS WORTH EVERY PENNY!!!

Good luck to you with your search. I hope this helps.

Later.

Everything fleem said is right on. The second cycle looks much better. Thats a very solid cycle. Keep your cycles simple and diet/training complex. Ohh....one more thing......

Good luck;)

I have this pain in my shoulder say mabey the Deltoideus muscles. It's not a constant pain....it only hurts when pressure is applied (weights), but it is very painful. Its been about 2 weeks of avoiding that muscle group and massaging it and it still is killing me! I think mabey I maxed out crooked on bench and applied all the pressure on my left shoulder. Any suggestions or comments are welcome.