johnny

WOW. People never seice to amaze. On a diffrent note which I dont expect an answer im just commenting....I didnt think that shit existed anymore. Ive never seen it or heard of anyone talking about it. I thought that was shit that BB back in the day got hooked on but wasnt really in circulation anymore. Either way from what I read that is some hard core nasty shit! If you need somthing like that and your not taking it for rec purposes should you even be lifting serious weights or would it not just mask the underlying problem and hurt you even more? Either way his question did put a smile on my face when I read it....lets me know there are still stupider people than me in this population:)

Atleast at the end it states their innocent until proven guilty. Im sure the courts will realize this is all just a big misunderstaning when the true benifits of AAS and HGH are portrayed and the media makes its nation wide appoligy for the black eye it has placed on these amazing compounds. I mean hell estrogen is already easily available for anyone who chooses to take it even if they want to use it against label claims to become a woman and its the dominant hormone in a female. So pretty soon this will all just blow over and they will realize that if we choose to increase somthing that is already naturally occuring in our body for the sake of health and well being or male birth control or just to become more of a man for that matter then there is nothing wrong with it..I mean it is still a free country right. Good thing their innocent until proven guilty or they might have arrested them and suspended his licence and held him captive against his will until a ransom (or bail as they like to call it) was paid by one of his loved one's. I mean we should be looking on the bright side cause this could have went really bad if he wasnt innocent until proven guilty with legitimate proof and not just a media witch hunt supported by government agencys looking for any excuse to seize money they didnt earn from one of their tax paying citizens.

Your comparing apples to apples. You shouldnt notice ANY diffrence unless its all a placibo effect. Its all the same thing with diffrent tops and lables unless its fake all togeather. I say go with what you can get and see if it does anything and your happy. I have hygetropin/blue kefei/ and jintropin and all of them have the same effect...if anything the jintropin are less side effect prone than the kefei. With the blue kefei I notice numbing of the hands and sore joints that I dont notice with the name brand. Who know's if its good or not but just giving you the info I know personally. Hope this helps. Take care.

Everything ive read says insulin with HGH is the way to go if your willing to take everything to its full benifit and risk. It all depends on how much you know about slin and your own body and if your willing to go the extra mile for that extra inch.

Ive always wondered how these magic pills are supposed to work. Not bashing IP or anything but wouldnt these pills have to be 17alpha for them to work making a long cycle of them toxic as hell? Im sure there's some crazy excuse like there supposed to be placed under the toung so they bipass the liver but if this was possible why wouldnt the major pharm company's have anything simular for people who are needle phobic or so people could just get a script filled? I just assumed the tabs contained nothing more than regular old dbol powder which is why people see results from them. Again not bashing IP or his products cause I have used them several times with decent results but no one has ever explained the exact science behind these pills nor have I ever seen a lab test proving they are what they are. It just seems to good to be true so im hesitant and sceptical.

I would tell your buddy if he's not willing to do shots then he should stay away from aas. Why would you ingest ton's of mystery pills without worry instead of taking a jab with pharm grade amps that are tried and tested to be worth while. Again just my 2cents. Its his body he can do what he wants.

I am looking into using HGH but have some info I need to clear up. My biggest question is if hgh once mixed lasts for 2 weeks and I mix a amp of 500iu's per 1mil and I am only taking lets say at the most 16iu's a week how do i make sure the rest of the 484ius dont go bad. After calculating it out a 500iu amp @ 16iu's per week would last roughly 31 injections. Just need some info before I venture into the unknown.

 

Also How long should I be taking hgh?

Wait a minute brother we might be able to clear this up. 500iu's per 1ml? 500iu's should mix to like 50ml. What brand of GH do you have? Are you sure your reading this right? I have only seen 10iu-8iu vials myself but I know there are others. Are you sure your not reading it wrong and you have 500iu's but there broken down into 50 little 10iu bottles? If so then you put 1ml of water per bottle and break it down to .5ml per shot to get 5iu's.

Next time dont do them any favors, Its not your problem. Fuck*em.

Agreed! This is the new attitude ive adopted.

Slammer....sorry about your luck my friend. Sounds like the town I met my lady in. Most of the speed limits were 25mph. If you drove 30mph they pulled you over for speeding and searched you car even if you are elderly. On the other hand if you drove the speed limit they figured you were up to no good and had somthing to hide cause everybody drives 5mph over so they pulled you over and tossed you car either way. It was a loose loose situation with these pricks!

Sorry to be a post whore but this one bugs me real bad and im sure you all can relate. My brother inlaw gets those muscular development or something mags which are all supp adds. He bothers me all the time for diet and exercise results and I used to answer but he NEVER takes any advice and continues to do what he wants with no results so I just loose my opinion from here on out. I show up to see his new baby boy and he starts to show me all this crap he ordered out of this BB mag like Dbol and halo and GH which are all pro hormones and fake gh tabs. Here's what he says....

"Look bro! I always ask you for help and all you do is tell me to eat healthy and exercise lightly and do cardio to loose weight and I do it and it never works! I got this halo that guarantee's I can loose 45lbs of BF and gain equall amount of muscle in 30 days! Can you help me to better than that?"

I tell him its all bullshit and he should save his money cause he's not working and return it unopened. I say that not even real steroids can give you those results and Juice isnt the way to go if you just want to loose Bf. He grabs his flabby fat arms and says....

"look bro! Im already big as I want to be! I just want to loose all this fat and get down to like 3%BF and solid everything I already have naturally up. Can you get me a cycle that I dont have to take shots just pills that I can take for like 2 weeks but I dont want to take more than 1 pill a day cause thats a pain in the ass. I dont want to change my diet or anything and I do curls 2x a week but I dont like squats or any cardio! Can you help me or are you just gonna fuck me over with shitty advice like you always do! I wonna get on this!

All I could say was look...you already have a supp that can burn 45lbs of fat in three weeks and build 45lbs of muscle in its place. I tell him just do what your gonna do and build on it from there. There's no need for all that cardio bullshit and weights are overrated unless you want to be a BB. I said you dont want to be to big right? He says ya your right. Thanks for being honest with me for once man.

PEOPLE JUST WANT YOU TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR! I felt bad telling him that but im honestly tired of arguing with him so I didnt know what else to do!

I also remember an old thread I want to say over at anabolicmadness like 6yrs ago so some of you should remember....

The guy wanted to do an all oral cycle and was asking the best way to take it. Someone replys to put it up his ass which really isnt like that board cause they were always real patient. The guy comes back on the board like 3 weeks late "mid cycle" and says that gear isnt for him. He tells us that he got a real bad infection and had to go to the er cause the tabs were burning his asshole and it was raw and he couldnt hold it up there long enough for it to fully disolve:( I felt horrible cause you know it was some young guy who had to go and explain that to the doc and now had a bad outlook on aas.

i just remembered this one, some dude got the wrong directions in his package. with his test e was a piece of paper directing him to take it orally. he did. "It tastes really funny," he exclaimed.

Ya I remember this guy! He got his shit from oversea's with directions on how to use it and he ended up drinking all the test and Eq for 16 weeks before stating he got really good gains but he's dosent know how some of us can do an ED cycle like prop/tren cause he couldnt stand the taste of his test ELOL

Ya I knew if I replied with anything she would feel like I was doing it cause im 5x her size and she would try to make an example outta me. Now that ive slept on the situation im not as mad and realize she's always gonna be a dike cop and im making more money than her life's pay in one year so if I was her Ide be shitty to. You guys are correct though its impossible to win an arguement with law enforcement. I wish they were more like the police back in the day. When I was a kid if you were pulled over drunk they would make you park your car and take you to get coffee and food. Then they would take you home and give your keys to your parents and leave. I used to look up to the police in my neighbor hood and they knew everyone. They would help you if you were broke down and they really served and protected. Its a shame things have changed so much in 20yrs:( I guess im just getting old and cant deal with the changing times:) Thanks to all who replied. Im glad I have this board to not only better my health on but vent to when I have a shitty day and no one's around to bullshit with. Take care everyone.

Johnny.

Anyone ever have a police officer talk down to you for no provoked reason? I know they have a hard job dealing with every jerk off on the street so they get stressed like everybody else. I just got off work and am dressed very professional. When I pull up at my home I see a young kid trying to tow his car off a tree infront of my neighbors house. The tree won the fight and wasnt damaged and the kids car was trashed so I left him alone figuring he had a bad enough night and no one but him was hurt in the ordeal. I return to my car like 20mins later to get my cell phone when an officer approaches me and asks if I saw what happend cause the kid abandoned the car I guess. I say it was there when I pulled up like that. He asks if I can wait outside in the subzero weather for a traffic officer to pull up so they can get an estimate of how long the car has been there and I say im really not sure but I'll wait. 45mins later the traffic car is pulling up and this kid walks up drunk and says it was him and if they ask tell them he's a few houses down and he's coming back with his parents. So being freezing and tired of waiting I walk up to the officer who asked me to wait and tell him what the kid told me who's still walking down the street. This traffic officer walks up and she says what happend here now! I repeat my story and she say's quote un quote "I dont care! Tell your gang banger buddy that he left the scene of an accident and get the hell out of our way"! So I tell her I dont know him and im not in a gang...have a good night. She starts yelling at me as I walk back to my house telling me she should grab my ass and throw me in jail for disrespecting authority! I ignored her and walked in my house to complain to you guys. WTF! This has happed before and from now on im acting like im handycapped when they ask me anything and walking away. Im helping them do their job unwillingly and its always a loose loose situation where im at. Sorry for the long post but I had to vent to someone. Nite everyone.

Johnny.

Glad im not the only one having problems. Thank you to whoever moved my post...I forgot all about the general discussion section and didnt intend for you to have to waste your time cause I know the mods on this board have enough to do. ROOSTER...please pm me also with what you suggest is a safe method of communication if there is such a thing in this day and age.

Anyone else having cyber-rights problems??? My acount will not let me send encripted messages sometimes. I was talking to a few good bro's and I fucked them over unintentionally by giving them my word on somthing and not coming threw on my end cause I would get the ball rolling with them and when it came time for me to do my end it would not let me send the email. It kept saying they could not recieve encripted info but I sent them an email earlier that day! It has been happening alot. It seems once I send them an email it will not let me send another one. I even tried opening up a diffrent acount to clear things up but this didnt work either. Anyone else have this problem? It makes me look like I dont follow threw on my word and I always have!

probably got bad stuff

I doubt it mrlazy. He didnt state an infection but a common problem with blue's. I get diffrent batches of blue tops all the time and some react with really bad welts on my stomic but when given to a friend they have no reaction what so ever with excellent results. If I take them IM I get great results but I already take EOD to ED shots I use so much oil that I hate taking the GH IM as well.

Finally a world that excepts me for who I am!!! Now I dont have to visit this board all the time to impress my girlfriend. Most of you guys are pretty cool so if you want ref's im a mod over at a dungions and dragons board...if you want I can get a few of you inWink We meet up every night and my mom bakes cyber cookies!

Ive never heard this until now but thought I would share it with you guys/gals. ALOT of us get aches and pains or have injurys or some other ailment thats we sometimes take products such as Tylenol (acetaminophen) or Ibuprofen. Some of us might have extreme injury's and require medications such as vicodon, vicoprofen, norco's, or lortab. Ive even heard of people abusing these med's to help block the pain to lift more or recover from a heavy workout the next day:( Ive pulled up several books and medical lectures refering to the use of AAS used for aid's patient's or for recovery and promoting positive or sustained growth and all the literature clearly states that all the above drugs plus several more of their type should be completely avoided for prolonged use during an aas cycle or regamine....not just for the obvious adverse effects on the liver either!

The research clearly states that these drugs instantly start blocking prostaglandin production and interfere with the positive effects aas have on protein-synthesis to an extreme point and the lingering effects sustain for several days after the drug has been discontinued. Ive been trying to re-discover a medical study I dug up in a book at my university I took some of my notes from showing a blind study of several diffrent groups of people taking dose's of Testosterone at 600mg a week combined with deca at 600mg a week some using one or more of the above stated pain drugs. The group that took vicodon or just straight tylenol gained only 35-45 percent as much overall mass as the staight test/deca group on average (diet/training were also pre-planned-charted in the study). They didnt state exactly how much of the pain medication was taken but it gave a range of 2,000 to 5,000mg which is 4-10 tabs taken a day.

Has anyone else seen studys on this or have info with referances reguarding this subject? I just found it hard to believe the group taking the pain meds of this type lost out on up to 50 percent of the potential gain from this! Im sure some people here are on one these drugs...does anyone have any experience with gaining less while recovering from an injury using near these doses? A friend of mine has been in a simular scenario but defended his recreational use of vicondon to the extreme stating he noticed no supression of gains while using the drugs and if anything they helped him train harder but I get the feeling he would pick the drugs over AAS anyways and say anything to defend his habit so I figured I would ask the community. Sorry for the long post hope this info was of use.

darooster found the article i stumbled accross back in the day if i recall correctly

its over here johnny http://www.anabolicboard.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22369

Thanks for your time DH...now I just need DaRooster to chime in again and tell me where he got the info so I can state some ref's.

It mentions this but a good add is a complete list of how much you actually get from each ester.....

100mg of each you get.....

Trenbolone Acetate=87mg

Testosterone's

propionate=83mg

enanthate=72mg

cypionate=70mg

undecanoate=63mg

Nandrolone's

Phenylpropionate=67mg

decanoate=64mg

D.H.....If you can dig that study up man it would be great. Im trying to write a real world manual on AAS and I want it to be short but to the point on real world fact with tons of ref's on the actual risks/benifits. When im done im gonna post it on the board and give copys to friends who are considering AAS usage so they can make an educated decision for once and know what their really getting themselfs into. I think it will help with the bad rep AAS get if more people had a good simple to the point manual they could use as a refrence before they made any decisions about there cycles and what to expect so their not walking in blindly or taking the old school "a big guy from the gym said..." advice. Here's the only sides I have related to AAS and most of them are very low in occurance or non existant but there possible...

Acne

Mood elivation

Anaphylactic shock (allergic reaction)

Blood clotting changes (very slight)

Cancer (if prediposed...not likely)

Cardiovascular Disease (LDL/HDL changes slight but real)

Depression (rare but only noted after cycle with no PCT)

Gynecomastia (rare if proper percautions are taken)

Hair loss (prediposed individuals)

High blood pressure (mainly by high test/17a orals)

Immune system changes(Good and bad)

Kidney/Liver stress (Largly associated with 17a orals)

Prostate Enlargement (related to high test dose...normally leaves after cycle)

Sexual changes (good and bad depending on dose and compound)

Stunted growth (noted only in adolescence's)

Testicular Atrophy (reversable with PCT)

Tendon/ligament stress(noted in high dose cycles with over training)

Water/salt retention

Virilization (noted in women who take high levels of androgens)

GREATNESS (NOTED WITH ALL PROPER AAS USAGE:) )

That the most apparent ones I can find with actual medical data to back it up.

I figured more people would be up for this idea! I think a good old challenge would bring alot of us out of a rut and give us some motivation! There has to be more than 3 people wanting free supp's for doing somthing they should already be doing if there on here which is improving there health. Suggestions would help get this thing going. Im going to email a mod or 2 and see what can be done.

I know seveal people who have taken the two at even lower doses and not experienced any negative sides. A friend of mine just ran this and his gains were amazing to say the least...it made me envious but diffrent people get diffrent results.

Cycle...

Week 1-8 Dbol 25mg ED

Week 1-8 Drol 50mg ED

Week 1-10 Test prop 100mg ED

Week 1-8 Tren (from pellets) 50mg ED

Aromasin 12.5mg ED

GH 5IU'S m/w/f Started 4 month's prior on a diffrent cycle...still running it.

IGF 20mcg ED PWO 4 weeks on 4 off.

I was amazed at the change in his physical appearance but I can say that this mans diet is 100% on key. He has more dedication than most people I know to say the least! I still think if people would put half as much time and effort into their diet as they would planning their cycle they would be amazed.

Excellent Post Rooster. I always enjoy reading your post's and hear your opinion on things. Thanks bro.

I like this thread, but has anyone been following these dosing schedules and what kind of results have you experienced?

I have followed them for several months now....just ran out:( I took it ED for the first few months and it was Decent results then I switched it to M/W/F at 5iu's a day and the results were actually more in favor of what I wanted which was fat burning and muscle density. I cant say I ever attributed any mass to the GH but I can say that I have retained all my size from my last bulker and it was the lowest doses I have taken in awhile and I got the best results from the cycle. This can be attributed to several things though. I was entering the longest time of use on the GH 8+ month's and my training and diet was more on key than in the past. The cycle ran with it was longer than in previous times also. I ran this with the GH

Week 1-5 25mg Dbol

Week 1-18 Test Cyp at 500mg EW

Week 1-16 Deca 400mg EW

GH threw the entire run before and after.

What info are you looking to find out? I have several actual training journals of very advanced bro's and I can pretty much help you out with any info you need. I also have any book under the sun related to AAS info and GH info. Let me know what your trying to do and well see what we can put togeather. One thing I would like to add is GH is scarce these days and the quality is questionable to say the least. I picked up blue tops recently and got rid of them cause there was no pressure in the vials and it didnt want to dissolve no matter what so I gave them to a buddy who was willing to try them so I guess well see what happens.

I wouldnt advise it. EQ is a strong andrgen and even at that low of a dose it still would be a hell of a shock to her system and reak havoc on God knows what. I would say stear clear of the gear my friend. What dose of GH were you giving her and did it help with the underlying problem? How long was she on the GH for? Seeing as how I have no sound advise to give you I would suggest you post this question in the female forums with as much info as you feel comfortable with sharing and tell them the situation with what you have tried in the past with the results and see what they suggest. Take care bro and let us know how things work out and what you decide.

Johnny.

:D Never really understood this pick a religion crap and organized religion is the biggest joke of all! EVERY person I know that goes to worship some type of religion on a regular basis is more morally fucked up than my friends who dont have a religion and treat people as they themself would like to be treated! I think organized religon is a haven for sick individuals who know what they do on a regular basis is wrong but somehow feel that by going to a church and surounding themself's with other messed up individuals all asking for forgiveness when it's them who cant forgive themself is going to somehow weasel their way to a better place in some sort of after life they choose. Im not anti God and I do believe in a higher power but if I have to go to church once a week to beg this supreme being to forgive me and show me the light I have more problems than I know of. People know whats right and wrong. If you need to have someone tell you then u got problems jack.

This is why I never involve myself in two arguements...religion and politics...cause I dont understand shit about either! Everyone has an opinion and they believe theirs is right and I end up writing long negative post at 3am on Christmas like this one:) Like my grand pappy always said...opinions are like assholes boy. Everyone has one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks! oh....and Merry Christmas 2 all and 2 all a good night...I think I hear santa on the roof jingling some iran test amps I wrote him about:D