johnny

Ive read your comments before about using t-4. I dont remember why but I remember that it was better to use it instead of t-3

 

But with the Gh. Why EOD?

Sorry for the late reply....Ive been real busy trying to get my act straight and didnt notice your question.

T4 is better because it converts to T3 and that converson is favored by the GH. (If you need a more scientific answer I can look the paper up)

GH. When taking HGH EOD it more clearly mimics the bodys own pattern of releasing HGH. I have charts that show you get X ammount more results by taking the same weekly dose divided into EOD doses.

This is by far the strongest HGH I have tried yet. I started off with blue tops and quit after about 200iu's in due to nasty welts. Switched to jino's and they felt about half as intense if that. Im now switching to hygetropin (brown tops) to try and get the results I obtained from the blue tops without the welts. Let us know how you react.

Welcome back brother. Good to see you again. You used to also be on anabolicmadness correct? This was years back but I remember reading your posts on here and over at AM. Either way bro welcome back to the community and I wish you the best in acheiving your goals.....and get f***in huge while your at itThumbsUp Take care.

Johnny.

Can you take them at the same time in a cycle?

Best cycle ive ran to date. Im actually on that cycle right now and its going great gains wise. Im on no anti-e's and have yet to have any problems and all the long esters have kicked in. Try it and I bet you'll like it depending on your goals. Here's a current overview of the cycle im running.....

1-5 dbol 25-40mg ED Depending

1-16 Test C 750mg EW (a little higher sometimes)

1-14 EQ 600mg EW

1-10 or 12 Deca 300mg EW

HGH 5iu's EOD (3iu's with T4 and 2iu's post workout with a nap)

T4 100mcg EOD in the am on an empty stomic

I would avoid tren acetate cause the deca takes forever to clear the system and you might get some sore nipples. Other than that the cycles pretty much up for adjustments to fit any routine. Hope this helps.

John.

Realize that grind for what it is bro.. Gets ya where ya want to be.

Also, do you really love yr girl? Dont call it passifying her if you do.. A good supportive girl will get u thru the roughest times you can face man. Make sure you plan and do new and exciting things with her. Even if you dont WANT to. This is necessary bro..

Sometimes we have to fuck up and lose something to realize how much it truly meant. Dont make that mistake if ya dont have to.

Have you talked about this with her? Do it in a way that wont make her think its HER boring you.

Damn dave you hit home with this one! This is one of my major struggles lately thats been throwing me off the grind. I love my girl more than life itself but im too lazy to do the things she wants to do...but I also want to do them I just seem to waste time till its too late. I have been making a list of things she loves to do and things we both enjoy but I never do. Im horible with directions but ive been map questing new resturants and plays that sort of thing (I live 20mins from downtown Chicago). The city stresses me out lately....Parking,Fee's, overpriced goods I can get at home for half price, rude people, traffic, ROAD CONSTRUCTION ect. I used to always go there when I was younger and she has never experienced it so in all rights I have to show her around and let her experience all the things I used to do and still do enjoy.....my lifestyle has just got me down in the dumps...I have only two remaining living friends and they both live hours away...im not good at making new friends cause I live in a poverty stricken area and used to rival with all local gangs so most people want to shoot me due to conflicts in the past (already been shot 4 seperate times:mad: ) I know it sounds sad but the only peaceful contact I have lately is this board and my family which is not to happy with my life choices or the way I treat my girl lately. Im going to come up though mark my words....I am a leader not a follower and I have a very strong will and sence of family so with a little help from my girl/family and the all knowing anaboicboard I guarantee you im going to get threw this rutt. Good looking out Dave and I appreciate you chiming in...I never had the chance to bullshit with you before...oh and congratulations on your new spot brother...you seem like a very educated leval headed guy and from what I can tell you deserve it. Everyone take care im out for the nite....I buy and rehab auctioned house's on my own so there's always work to be done...good money but hard work.

Laters everyone.

John

This was more replys than I ever imagined to see when checking this post. Depression huh? I can honestly say ive never had that before:g: I cant say how much I appreciate everyones advice it really means alot to hear actual sound advice from people I trust. You guys hit it with the same old routine thing....shit all I do is bust my ass at work/school/the gym/then whatever free time I have im trying to passify my old lady. Im going to change my gym routine and get up at 7am to leave instead of 7pm. Then im going to start boxing again. Hitting other people used to always make me feel great and the best part is the wife hates itThumbsUp Im going to seriously look into diet also. Ive been slacking on my diet big time and thats about the same time the feeling like shit tiredness came about. Again I appreciate everyones info and I will update this thread to try and keep me motivated.

Side note...hey himbe how's your cycle going? Whats those stat's looking like these days my brother?

Does anyone else have this problem. Im not lazy by anymeans it just takes forever to get me motivated. Recently ive been slacking at work, majorly at school and lets not even mention the gym (and im on cycle). Recently ive just had no drive to better myself and ive been sleeping like 14hrs a day and I still dont want to get out of bed. I passed up two great job opportunities and ive let my grade point average slip to all hell. My woman is even contemplating leaving me after five years cause ive been stuck on stupid for months. I dont think its depression but it seem impossible to get back in drive. Anyone else have this problem? Its really starting to piss me off but all I want to do is sit around all day. Suggestions, violent motivational words, old family remidies, whats up?

Thanks guys....I really appreciate everyones input in this thread. I think its great the way this board all bands togeather to give such a wide variety of thoughts and experiences......OK im done with that rant....its starting to sound like im on PCT and im in week 7 of a bulker:rasp: The info is appreciated regardless.

John.

I've heard alot of ppl having welts with blues especially on another board. I havent had a welt nor has anyone else I know using brown's.

I have used blue tops and gotten welts that swelled up and were brused around the inject site. After a few weeks of that I switched to jino's and it never happened again. The down side is I could feel the blue tops effects much stronger than with the jintropin so im going to try another brand.

Habanero thank you for the indebth response it is much appreciated. I am going to switch to the browns and see what happens. I will keep you guys posted as always.

They are making my hands and feet swell. Plus I'm losing bodyfat, and I'm sleepy. I ran one kit of Jino before this and didnt' notice a whole lot compared to what's going on now, but it's probably more a cumulative thing as I ran them back to back.

Thats what I wanted to hear......I ran blue tops first and had the symptoms you described then I switched to jintropins.....didnt notice much scence then with the jino's so I want to try another brand. Looks like im going to be trying these next.

Thanks for the reply Wideguy it's appreciated.

John.

Anyone have likes or dislikes with this product???

Anyone use Hygetropin "AKA Brown Tops" 200iu kits yet??? I have three questions im wondering about before I might try them....

1). Are they really 191aa chain or 192aa ?

2). Are welts common with them like the "Blue tops"???

3). How do they compare to Jintropins strength wise?

As always any and all info is appreciated. If there's anything you would like to add comment wise about this product such as personal experience, likes, dislikes, ect. about them feel free.

Thanks.

John.

I agree. Plus, AASs can result in decreased clotting, which is not something you want during surgery. However, you've had the surgery so obviously you did not encounter this complication.

 

Since your cycle was light and short, I'd stop and do what johnny suggested. HGH or even IGF-1 will help speed your recovery.

Oh my God fleem agreed with my advice. Looks like you taught me well huh fleem. I remember being new to the game a few years back and bugging the hell out of members of anabolicmadness and anabolicboard for advice.....now im one of the most educated members of my gym and social group (excluding here) and have prevented my friends from countless minor and major mistakes. It amazing how much you learn in such a short time if your interested in the subject....using my body as a test subject went a long way to. Sorry to hijack the post and rant off topic......it just makes me feel acomplished when I give sound advice and someone who I apprenticed under back me up. Ok time for bed.

i'm beginner with the juice: i'm in my 3rd week taking dbol and this week i was gonna throw in the deca. now i'm thinking about hold off on the deca till i get my legs back in the spring. I'm a football player so regaining my leg strength is IMPERATIVE. In a couple days i know i'll be back and ready to hit upper body hard again. Should i just continue the cycle and add the deca?

If you only took dbol for three weeks then stop and take some nolvadex for a few weeks. Train your upper body natural and save the gear till you can use it to its full potential. You might look into taking some HGH every other day to help with recovery and still give you that edge.

Looking to know how long before you feel the sides fron igf-1, such as stiffness in the hands or where ever you feel it, or any other sides, is it like 2 weeks in or with-in the first week, also i asked before but no answer to this, on my off days should i inject Sub Q, or hit a body part that i think i'm lagging in, and if you all say Sub Q, should i still 1 am and then 1 pm?, and does it really make that much of a difference if i go inter muscle or Sub Q? I ready people are about 50\50 on this. right now i'm doing IM injects, no fun, this is why i want to kow if it it worth it.

 

also on my 3rd day now, injects seem to be going well, yesterday did my lat injects for back day, and got a huge pump in my back, biceps and chest. so, so far so good, i'll keep you all posted if you wish on T-PEX IGF-1.

 

thanks again Bro's

Ripped1111

You feel IGF's effects from the first shot but it took about a week to get really intense....I never felt any joint pain or such but everyone's diffrent im sure. How are you running the kit? I have never used it sub-Q due to the negative literature on it but I have heard of people using it this way for fat reduction. I take the dose divided but at the same time in the same muscles...example after I work out my arms I divide the the 40mcg dose and put 20mcg in each arm. I see your taking T-PEX IGF....this is very good stuff and it is the type I am currently running. If I didnt answer your questions or you have more feel free to hit me up.

Ok my ? is im going to do maybe a 6 week cycle. i want to do at least around 1500mgs test, i have 5 bottles of prop and 1 bottle enanthate. i was going to finish with test suspension the last two weeks. what is the best way to run it frontload or increase dosage every week. i have done cycles on and off for several years. i also have 1000 thai d-bols. im going to come off for a couple of weeks and then hit another short one. one last thing i have deca and eq, but i heard u could use in a short cycle but at high dosage. THANKS

So your goal is to bulk? If your doing a short cycle leave the enanthate and deca/eq alone. Are you saying your just coming off a cycling including dbol? If so do pct and take a break before this next cycle. Why do you want at least 1500mg of test at such a low body weight? Why not take the prop at 1cc ED for six weeks and dbol ED at 40mg for the first four weeks then do PCT? A little more info from you would be very helpful........

1)What did your previous cycle's consist of?

2)Did you do PCT and the proper breaks?

3)What are your goals with this current cycle?

4)Where did the 1500mg's dose come from?

5)Why are you choosing such a short cycle?

The more info you give the better the help will be.

500mg Test enanthate or cypionate a week for 10 weeks. If you really want to go all out you can add dbol at 25 to 30mg everyday for the first four weeks. Make sure you have anti-E's on hand and a good PCT laid out. This is a simple and effective first cycle and it lets you see how you react to test by itself without complicating it with other compounds like deca and such. Other than that just up the diet and your all set. Is this what you were looking for or no? If you have anymore questions feel free to ask......better before rather than after.

John.

Just a heads up to anyone with the welt issue.

I started having the itchy welts show up 24 hours after each shot in my 3rd week of GH. Anyway, i was still getting numb hands and it was obviously still working fine so i toughed it out to see what happened. 5th week it appears i have adapted and my body has immunized itself to this side effect.

So, if the prob pops up tough it out. Your body may beat it as well.

I quit after three weeks of the blues (welts) and went with Jintropin. With the jins I dont get welts but the blues felt way stronger numbness wise and made me alot more sleepy. I might switch back and see what happens. Thanks for the heads up.

I also run very low doses of hcg when ever possible. PCT should be the most thought out part of your cylce and you should you everything to your advantage you can get.

Whew, its finally dissapaiting. I think it was too much scar tissue in my glutes. I have abused my glutes so much with aas, and they finally said enough. Quads and shoulders from now on. I NEVER have probs there. Thanks for the advice fellas.

Good to hear my man.....I bet thats a world of weight of your shoulders. Its always good to rotate sites for shots....even if its convenient for you to shoot it in one place its never a good idea. You know your body and when you think a spots been hit more than enough rotate it between a few others even if it spooks you or its a pain. Take care bro....glad to hear everything worked out for ya.

????Im slow pretty much everyday.....I dont get it:(

a lack of drive can be from tons of things, depression, stress, etc etc.

This is true.....I have had friends blame AAS for their lack of interest and performance and it turned out to be...

a)High blood pressure

b) Too much caffine(sp?)

c)Alcohol/tobacco use and abuse

d)Depression

e)Stress

f)Lack of sleep or irregular sleeping pattern

g)Drug abuse (even rec use here and there)

It would be best to get an exam by a professional and find a more percise cause before you try treating the problem.

Hope your doing ok bro.....things like that tend to stay sore forever. Did the person stop? I was hit by an old man who blew a stop sign but we both were only going like 15mph. I was all skinned up and my R1 was under his car. When the police showed up the old man told the cop I shouldnt ride my pettle bike in the street:hammer: Its a shame these things happen and in most cases its not even your fault. Hope your recovering well.

Russian d-bols come with a alot of bloat. Are you guys trying to say the naps sent you fake product? I don't know about that.

I hope you dont think I said n##"* sent me fake dbol cause he is a golden source whom I respect and would never think of accusing....but the naposims I purchased were in deed fake. Trust me bro dbol works wonders for me and I took these tabs for 5 weeks like this....

Week

1-2 25mg ED

3-4 40mg ED

5 60mg ED

And nothing.

Gave the rest out of the 1k I bought to a good friend and he called bitching about four weeks into his cycle. So yes they were fake but all in all it was my fault cause the guy I got them from was sleezy and they wernt in blisters.

pinkies are my favorite. Got some fake naps once so kind of turned away and never used them..

Same here.....used naps before that didnt do shit. Undergrounds alright but I got my best results off of the pinks.