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If you have that many guys you train taking 150-200 mg of test a week and they always have E2 levels over 100 pg/ml when they're checked, someone should do a cohort study on your client base to figure out why they all convert test to E2 far more rapidly than the rest of the male population (and potentially characterized for having Aromatase Excess Syndrome if they do). Far far FAR more likely they're 1- taking more than "150-200/wk", 2- They aren't following up with the doc that prescribed them the TRT (cuz I'd doubt any licensed physician would see a high E2 in a pt they prescribed TRT to and not lower the TRT dose/prescribe an AI/justify continuing the same without any form of intervention/etc. - hello malpractice and losing their license), 3- There's something else unrelated to 1 or 2 they aren't telling you causing it to go that high; E.g. Its residual elevated E2 after just coming off an AAS blast, they just dropped off an adex dose and its rebound E2, they are consuming an ungodly amount of phytoestrogens and/or xenoestrogens, etc.

 

For one, the "normal" E2 scale is usually adjusted for pts on TRT, so if they are ordering their own lab tests without having the scale adjusted its quite possible their E2 isn't actually high. Secondly, I'm unaware of ay evidence (aside from "I know a guy" - don't we all?) that demonstrates males on HRT doses of test having hyperestrogenism usually being the case. If you have a link to data demonstrating it, would you mind posting it please?

Aren't you quite the smart ass huh ? For your information one of these clients is a nurse who was legitimately prescribed 200 per week...and one is a fucking Dr.( the one who just ordered my labs )That was self administering 300mgs per week...BOTH were well over the 100 range before taking an AI. BOTH clients...and yes I have seen many guys just local gym rats with an E2 reading over 100pg/ml using anywhere from 200-500 per week with no AI. I don't understand why that is hard for you to believe ? Everyone metabolizes drugs differently. Perhaps you are an exception but I bet you anything that more people who run exogenous testosterone at 200 or above per week with no AI will be well out of Normal range which is anywhere from 20-60 pg/ml.

What do those guys usually do in that case?? Get an AI from a ug lab?

I know many guys who have been

prescribed 150-200 Mgs of test

per week with no AI and once I start training them as clients I have them get estradiol checked and they are always over 100 pg/ml so it's not only possible it's usually the case

And see this is still new to me. I'm taking 200mgs of tren e per week and 300 Mgs of test and 25mg of aromasin per day so I'm still trying to figure this out

Does anyone know the details of why this happens ?

Ok can Tren E cause a false positive as far as a high estrogen reading ? I just did labs and my estrogen was 124.3 pg/ml and I'm using 300 test e/ 200 tren e....and was thinking I was taking 25mg of aromasin daily. I have always trusted the source so it has me wondering.

One from the OA in July...

No point in my opinion on running masteron unless u are pretty damn lean...and certainly no point in running it with deca.

none of that cereal is good for you....but it tastes good....its all 70-90 on the glycemic index....some in the 50's.

PWO this is what you're wanting...this is why I use it generally then...or if I have been on zero carbs for 2 weeks then I'll use it for filling out a bit. Other than that I stick to lower GI carbs, my main carbs are oats and Ezekiel bread.

Ezekiel has a cereal that might be good for you. I always everyday (except on zero carb days) have oats for breakfast and usually at least 2 more times that day. I'll eat sugary cereals post workout because they are low in fat and process quickly.

Seriously if anyone is reading this and likes drinking smoothies, this xanthan gum stuff is incredible.

Do u notice it bloats u a bit ?

Ok you got me.

 

Gonna kill myself now, thanks.

It does not expire at all...I have had rate use stuff from 2004 and it worked fine

Not another word...

If one more person insults another person based on religion and not their own personal fucking character I will ban your presumptious ass... thank you and have a good day. Oh and for anyone thinking that their religion is better than anyone else you are clearly mistaken and half fucking retarded. Only one religion matters...LOVE.

Don't bother they are all

junk unless u buy commercial...just but a cheap one and when it dies in a year or two...and it will. Go buy another. I spent 2100 bucks on a smooth fitness treadmill and it lasted me all of 2 years and the company went out of business and does not honor warranties.

Indeed it was

Just seen this u look great

I want to try and fix the issue while keeping the tren in the mix, if I fail ofcourse I can resort to dropping everything but test. I understand it's an big issue having zero libido and I should take it serious but I don't have a girlfriend at the moment and I don't have the obligation to keep someone satisfied that's why I opt to try and fix while keeping tren in the mix.

 

I didn't take my AI dose today and I actually feel better mood-wise, last 2 weeks I was really lethargic and irritabile I thought maybe it was the tren but if I look at it really could have been low-estro the whole time.

 

I will also increase my test dosage to 1g tomorrow to keep the ratio in comparison to my other compounds mast + tren = 985mg a bit more alike. If anybody advises against this please tell me

Is this on normal TV ? Sorry for my ignorance

You can buy it by the lb off Amazon for cheap

I like how most here are "vets" yet talk out oftheir ass !!

 

Pls "vets" if u not know just say i dont know and not draw conclusions ...

 

The test u did shows tren as ESTROGEN !! I live in europe too and this is common here ...

 

U need do LCMS !! This not

Show tren as estro

 

Find a doc that do LCMS , then show blood test and u see what i mean

yes proper labs would help...at this point it's anyone's guess.

Then by all means keep us posted...I'd drop everything but test and go from there.

Ok then drop the Tren and go have labs done in 6 weeks...I think your estrogen is indeed that high. Otherwise why the fuck would the lab work say so ? Lab work is definitive...It's precise...If your estrogen says 934 then some how, some way, it's 934...in all my years online I have never heard anyone say anything about a false positive on an estrogen reading...it may not be the test as a stand alone causing the issue, it may be in conjunction with the Tren effecting a cascade of other hormones, and perhaps your anti estrogen is bunk but either way your estrogen according to legit medical documentation and not just some shit you read

online is atronomically high. Time to take action.

also who's gear are u using ? I want my rats to avoid it at all cost

In europe, I live in europe.

 

 

 

I've read that Tren triggers a false positive EIA for E2 or something. I don't believe my estrogen could really be that high since I have dry skin and no real high-estro symtoms zero sensitive/puffy nipples nothing really leaning more towards low-estro symptoms to be honest.

I don't think it s a false positive at all. Tren can indeed increase estrogen via progesterone. If progesterone gets to high estrogen can rise as well...it's a negative feedback loop. I would switch to all HG AI's and caber. I would drop everything out except 1cc of test per week wait 6-8 weeks and have labs drawn again. I would run human grade exemestane at 25 mgs Ed. I would avoid HG letro for the time being as if you take that shit everyday you can bring levels down to nothing fast, and then start suffering from the exact opposite issue, which would be estrogen being pile driven into the ground...This wil not be fixed in 2 weeks you have to give it time.