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eBay is easy to get pins from

I'm looking to use MT2 this summer and was wondering if anyone had any experiences or advice on it. Not looking to get super dark, if anything just the minimal dose to see results.

 

Also, do you need to wear sunscreen while on it?

I just used it for the first time not long ago. ANY skin exposed to the sun got really dark really fast. Any moles or marks on my skin got almost black. BUT it also made my libido go crazy that was the best side ever.

Definitely start with a small dose. I only used one bottle and stopped. I did not want to be that dark. It wasnt even a natural looking dark.

I get heart burn from anadrol within the first week.

Anyone know what happened to QVOLT ?

The site is gone. At least a month now.

HAHA good shit. I think he really had enough and just opened up.. love it. I agree people are fucking stupid.

How do you guys give blood when you're on, or especially, if you're on accutane? I use accutane to keep the acne at bay but it has risk of birth defects so you're not supposed to give blood for a year after coming off.

do it yourself, its not hard.

never had luck with adding bac water to suspension. must me my body not liking it, I like it not the muscle it goes into...

wow thats dedication.. it does suck if you have test that is that painful.

The 1:1 mix works really well if you do have painful gear, i have not had it take away 100% of the pip but half or more.

There is a guy on ebay that sells filtered MCT oil that I really like to use, its much thinner than GSO.

the fastest way to recover is to stop injecting test. If you have no test in your body how can you have estrogen? If your test is zeroed out, your body will do everything it can to fire up your nuts and make test again.

I think PCT is overrated as fuck. After aprox 2 weeks the long ester is about done so you dont need an AI after 14-17 days after last inject.

I can not think of any reason ai, SERM or HCG is needed beyond 2 weeks post final inject. No test= no estro

I belive what WETLOOK is saying is true as well. Ive never heard that about HCG but I do know that I get estro sides from using HCG regardless of how much or what kind of AI i use. The sides are not bad but they are noticable. (ance, bloating mostly)

for the last couple months ive been using 125mg E3D and taking .5mg adex E3d as well

IMO at 200mg test per week ..5mg adex 2x a week would be where i would start.

some guys dont need as much or any at all at low doses

It sucks to find out the AI is off though.. high estro is not cool at all and once you really "feel" it its way late, the estro is very high, which sends me through a roller coaster.

Running a 19nor will leave you in the gutter. Trt, high test, no test, or whatever. You're shut when you engage in 19nor activity. There's no "degree" of keeping things alive, it's done....it's cooked.

Great point.

I thought we all knew better than to cycle off gear completely. The roller coaster of off on and off is much worse than staying on a trt dose of test.

Ill never understand low test high tren.. Not one body builder I know personally would run low test/high tren and Cagedfreaked has also laughed at this concept.

Who are these people OP, telling you its better? Is it the "laws of trenbolone" thread floating around out there?

how low are thinking of running test and how much tren?

When I see low test Im thinking 200mg per week, and high tren 750-1g or more.

IMO 700 test would be the lowest i go with test probably use test prop and pin it ED with the tren @ 525-700mg/wk if i that's how much tren i was going to use. 75-100mg trenA per day is what Ill run personally

Lol bodybuilding and healthy? Please

nothing will take the cough away completely away.

You can try putting your back against a wall and push against it to make your back as straight as possible. I've tried it and it helps some. Like huffing alcohol or albuterol, its something sometimes better than choking for 7 minutes..

Or just suck it up and take it like a man...

thanks, that is why im asking.

I know there isn't a set protocol thatll work for every and anyone.

I hate killing my estro worse than itchy nips! 12.5mg/day sounds like a plan though. I might just start that Wednesday.

Badass rottie in your avi franktasey..

I want to switch to aromasin. Been using adex for the last couple years and havent used aromasin exclusively before.

They are 25mg pills.

If im taking .5mg adex ED right now approximately where should i dose the aromasin?

Can i use as a rule of thumb. 1mg Adex = 25mg aromasin?

Dose 12.5mg aromasin ED?

Thanks

That happens to me if i take more than I needed to or if estro is high and I ive taken a higher dose to get it down.

Its like I am pissing more out than the amount of fluid im taking in.

Definite sign of taking to much AI or the AI is working and your estro is dropping along with the water you've been retaining

How often do take the aromasin?

As I understand it. You remove the plunger n fill from the back of the syringe. No?

yes and be very careful when go to put the plunger back in.

Just barely put the tip in and then flip it over. Otherwise it'll squirt oil out of the pin. Flip it and wait for the air bubble to get up to the pin then push the plunger in until the air is out and plunger is in the barrel.

No a high end dose isn't 3 to 6 ml smart ass. It may be high for average but not competing and you already know that son there was no need to be condescending to daron.

Now,

Brother you can learn something here. U don't like them thats cool. A shit load of us do like them. And if u try putting 2 or 3 ml into some of the muscles that are smaller u will understand why 1ml in the calf each side is fine.

Or when you're pinning 4 grams a week and have to rotate as many locations as u can, the sin pin becomes god sent as another tool to help with minor muscles that can be used.

Try sticking a 23ga in your calf every other day and see if you wouldn't prefer a 27ga pin instead.

And seeing that you have pinned 6 plus ml a day (I'm guessing short and some moderate or long esters, so 5 or 6 grams a week total) then you may want to try more locations and the slin pin for them. Might find its very beneficial.

HAHAHA but seriously what is high end? 1cc ed? 2cc eod? 3cc eod?

Around here 4g a week is nothing if we spend too much time Cagedfreak's thread...

Yes coming into a show 4-6cc ED more depending on how much TNE I use PWO.

test(prop, ace and tne), tren ace, mast prop diprop, primo ace, ,inj winny depending on the weekly dose it can get over 6cc in a day easily

Near the end I get cough from most every location regardless if tren is in the shot or not.

Believe me Chief I use every muscle and all available real estate of the big muscles gets used up.

I said already I used a 30ga in my calf. Not a chance I would stick a 23ga in my calf, I have used the 23 in quads and glutes but learned that lesson.. its to big.

A 25ga is all i use for oil. 5/8", 1" and 1.5" (the 1.5 only sometimes in the glutes and ventro.)

I put that 5/8 25 in my front/rear delts and arms. I would not in the calf though, its such a tight dense muscle.

I have used 25 27 and 29 ga in front/rear delts and felt no difference in pip or pain at all.

Also when my delts get knotted or lumpy (I get massage on it) I switch to a 1" pin to use a deeper part of the meat for a few weeks.

Isn't the pain from the oil stretching the muscle apart not the pin punching a tiny hole?

How much more scar tissue or damage is happening from a 25 or 27g pin? plus if using slin pins you are stuck with 1cc so that means more holes to get in the gear. Unless your only doing 1cc in a day.

As far as i can tell, feel and see I have no permanent lumps or "scar tissue" anywhere.

Back filling is time consuming and wastes syringes. That is my biggest complaint. I said earlier I have 1cc syringes that have luer lock tips, this makes much more sense IMO than back filling.

Plus I think more people need to man the fuck up! If you're using 23ga at all then you should go up to a 25.

LL

go get a real massage

deep tissue

read the info in this post and put it to use.

foam rollers are nice but not enough as you have discovered

If you are old enough, and at the high end doses as some of us here....slin pin is the only way to go. And I have been bodybuilding way longer than some here have been alive..and tried alot of different injection techniques and sizes.

Tell me about "high end" doses. What is that?

3-6cc per day? That might be nothing for some guys especially a competitor.

That means you back load 3-6 slin pins every day? That is a lot of holes punched in the skin every day.

Even injecting 3cc out of a 3cc syringe with a 1/2" long slin pin sounds like a really good way to end up with a big lump right under the skin.

The last 2 shows I've done I was at or above 6cc/day or for the last 8-10 weeks.

ill never understand using a slin pin though. For me it is way to time consuming and wastes a syringe at the same time.

if I am pinning often im injecting more than 1cc anyway so that means multiple sticks with a smaller pin that adds up to more holes than just one stab for 3cc.

Pinning less often and only 1cc or less how much scar tissue is going to form if its say 2x week inject?

UNLESS its calves then ill put a 30ga 1/2" pin on a regular 3cc syringe.

LOL what a time consuming pain in the ass(not literally)

IMO pinning oil with a tiny is ridiculous.

I thought the idea was DEEP INTO THE MUSCLE? not just barely past the fascia because

it hurts to much lol

BUT you guys should know you can buy 27,29 and 30ga LL pins for your syringes. I use the 30ga for HCG and peptides

No need to waste all that time and extra stuff to backload a slin pin..

Have you ever had a massage? Deep tissue and or structural integration is amazing. Surgery is invasive as fuck and will take a long time to heal up.

As bodybuilders it always surprises me how many of us dont get massage and other bodywork. Even the least experienced massage therapist know a ton about muscles and function.

I had a huge lump on my left delt from scar tissue and swollen tissues. Massage took care of it.

I have a therapist now who is a female figure competitor and someone who I can tell that a particular lump is from injections and not from training or other injury. Her clients are mostly all BBers.

this link explains it pretty well. Im not promoting or selling that site. It is good knowledge though.

http://www.rolfguild.org/about/structural-integration

how tall are you? unless you are 5'3" at 190 and 10% you might be lucky to be at 175 fully dried out and "peeled" for a show unless you are 5'3"

I did my first at age 38 and im 5'7" i was down 17lbs (water depleted)on show day from where i thought i was "shredded" at 203.

your diet will get you lean way before tren or anything else.

eating whole foods all day long and a shake only post workout is a good start.

Also your 6 months away from a show AND you're going to come down to 300mg/wk so getting "peeled" is going to have to wait until closer to the show.

eating whole foods all day long and a shake only post workout is a good start.

6-7 full meals with carbs fats and protein every day not 3 as is eating closer to every 2-2.5 hours is better than 3.