squat

Been nearly 3 weeks since I sent Vision payment. Have heard back nothing and received nothing. No confirmation of payment no updates. Nothing. Either something is wrong with him or I've been screwed. Very disappointing. 

On 5/6/2023 at 10:55 AM, Nerve said:

I don't think anyone is complaining about the wait.  The complaints are that he is not (was not, at least) responding to emails after payment was sent.  So people are (were) getting replies during the ordering process, but then nothing after they sent payment.  Little odd.  And a little worrisome.  Personally, I like to confirm that funds were received so that I know they were received & if nor received, I can try to remedy the issue to prevent a hold up with it going out.  It's not hard to shoot an email saying "Hi, yes funds were received.  Order will go out within the next 2-3 days."  Or "yes, funds were received, but we are about a week behind; your order will go out at the start of next week."  If there's a delay for some reason, fine.  But at least tell me that so that I know when I should be looking out.  I don't even need to know the reason - just tell me you have the payment & you're behind & are working on it.

Two weeks with no confirmation of payment, no confirmation of the order being shipped, no response of any kind is, IMO, unacceptable.  These are not international orders.  Two weeks on an international order?  Pssshhh, sure, OK.  Two weeks on a domestic order with no communication whatsoever after I have sent you money...well, I don't like that.  Especially when I know nothing has been shipped to me.  And I know nothing was sent out because every address that I use to receive any packages has Informed Delivery set up on it.  So I don't need to be given a tracking number to know whether or not it was sent because anything sent to any address with Informed Delivery on it will show up in Informed Delivery automatically.  Like I said, if you're behind, that's fine (usually - sometimes I run low on stuff), but tell your customers that so they know what's up.  I've had Synergy tell me more than once that he was behind & that if I placed an order, it would take a while to go out.  Then I can decide if I want to wait (& usually I do because Syn's stuff is great) or if I need to or want to go somewhere else (because I ran low/thought I had more left than I do).

You're right.  The quality of the gear seems quite good.  The communication, at least after people have sent funds, not so great as of late (or at least around the time the posts in question were made).  I would love to use Vision again, but if this communication issue has persisted, I just cannot do it.  The other sponsors on here - Caxxis, DFL, Synergy - all respond to emails in a very timely fashion.  Typically no longer than 24 hours & I have gotten responses from all of them in just a few hours & sometimes in less than an hour  And the gear from each one of those three sponsors is top-notch as well.  If the choice is quality product with little to no communication where I have no idea what the hell is going on with an order or quality product with great communication, I'm gonna choose the latter.

Like I said, I would love to use Vision again.  I was very happy with the products I received.  If this communication issue has been resolved, I would be willing to order right now.  But if not, I have no choice but to take my time & money elsewhere.

Maybe I am alone in these sentiments, who knows?

I agree and am in the same boat. Happy with his past gear and he used to be very responsive. Have heard nothing since my payment went through nearly 2 weeks ago. Will keep ppl posted on status .

Do we know if Blue Sky is a reliable source for peptides these days?  Curious what the consensus may be ....

What is a good source for peptides these days ?

Who are you guys using for peptides these days ? Have used many in the past including Blue Sky. They still g2g?

Nice list. Anyone tried the Tbol ?

Squat, out of curiosity, have you honestly read the Bible?

Or at least the whole New Testament?

If you have, that's great, if you haven't, you should. It will help you make a better argument, for it or against it.

The Bible exist on its own, whether we like it or dislike it, If we agree or we disagree. But knowing what it says for ourselves, is a worthwhile endeavor.

 

Mrhat

the old testament is what I am most familiar with but i am very familiar with the cliff notes version of the new testament and the message within..

i dont think its a matter of disagreeing with the bible or arguing against it for me because that is unnecessary due to its very nature it cannot be taken seriously to begin with just as any other of mans numerous organized religions both past and present cannot be..if truth exists within its pages that truth has been manipulated and twisted perversely enough so as to have zero meaning for me. over its many transcriptions and edits and collations its contents have changed and been altered as the political motivations, beliefs and ideals of those that possessed it changed over time, This was easy to accomplish when 90% of the world was illiterate and relied on the powers that be to inform them of what plans god had for them..

So to answer your question more succinctly ..I do not think reading the source of what i disagree with in principle is necessary to dismiss it entirely..

There is a saying that goes: What you claim as truth in the absence of facts can in turn be dismissed just as easily without facts.

Psalms 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God."

Cool, a built in mechanism in the bible to demean non believers and encourage the flock to stick with it ,,Thats exactly what Id put in there if i wanted to get this Christianity thing going..Brilliant ..Nice job in recognizing that particular manipulation tactic..

You gotta admit some of the worlds unknown mysterys are very cool and interesting..You won't hear me say I know 100% anything cause I don't but I'm open minded and extremely interested in learning about shit I don't know

Then you are one of us

Someone thousands of years ago built the pyramids which without science and a high level of math would never have been built

Indeed..a great achievement to man kinds abilities and growing potential...lets not chalk it up to aliens until they make an appearance and claim it at least

What's being a Christian?

 

-Giving up most worldly pleasures

 

-Always feeling guilty due to constant judging

 

-Following a poor Jewish guy who got tortured and nailed to a cross

 

Doesn't sound very appealing for the 31% of earths population. Squat must be right

Being a christian is fine ..do whatever you want but no need to tell others to be like you if they chose to exercise logic and blend that with facts... that could mean they are higher evolved in the painfully slow evolutionary process or perhaps as your religion states they are heathens going to hell for using their brain in that way..i dont know and neither do you all i can tell you is whats more likely and its not what youre going to want to hear

1 Why give up any pleasure? Does that even make logical sense..Shouldnt we instead seek pleasure because..well its pleasurable?

2 Guilty? not sure what that entails

3 Jesus was probably murdered after being tortured as were many humans by fellow humans and later by those same followers of jesus calling themselves christians burning non believers at the stake and attempting to eliminate all resistance to their imposed views..Which is exactly why Christianity spread like wild fire throughout pagan Europe at the point of a sword,, That has taken centuries to undo,,Which is why we have 31% of the world still following those views..In 500 years there may not be a christian europe left considering its dying faster there than it is in the states where it persists in small pockets in the bible belt and in rural locations across the country..

This has got to be one of the most fucked up post from start to finish I've ever seen.

 

 

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Insight into the matter is always encouraged and appreciated ..but if lame hit and run comments are your thing who am i to demand more?

Whatever your way is may be good for you. The truth is you seem angry and may need a little splash of Jesus in your life

Interesting to see that you are following your religions dogmatic built in procedure to scare others into being brain washed as you yourself have been..Have anger? seek Jesus..Dont want to go to hell? Seek Jesus...Have a bad feeling about something? seek Jesus..Health issue? Jesus Hard times? Jesus...Essentially what you are doing is psychologically fucking yourself in the ass by shutting down half of your brain for the sake of false peace of mind..Yes its simplier yes it is bright and cheery and has a nice fairy tale ending in the mythical heaven,,,BUT ITS BULLSHIT..You know it.. I know it..Time to shun the primitive notions of the past and step into the 21st century..You may like it here,,We actually are looking for the answers to your questions instead of pretending we already have them covered thanks to an ancient book of fairy tales.. GOOD RIDDANCE JESUS no room for that silly stuff anymore.

I appreciate your post..I dont agree ancient man was some fool.. he wasn't , advanced technology existed thousands of years ago..

Man was no fool in the past i dont claim that to be the case in all instances ..But man was primitive on a large scale due to the absence of Science and the sharing of knowledge through reading and writing..He was fucking illiterate for the vast majority of his existence..His need for belief came out of desperation ..When there was drought and famine he blamed god and ultimately himself for somehow offending his gods..That was the only way his mind could rationalize his suffering ..From there grew the perverse progress hindering belief systems that crippled the human race for thousands of years....As for technology It stands to reason that man had access to advances in the past that we do not yet realize he had..But its HIGHLY unlikely that those advances were on a level that approaches what exists today..You will find interesting cases of WTF is this doing in this time period but on a wide spread scale man as a whole was FAR AND AWAY MORE PRIMITIVE in the past..That is a result of many factors.

Why are u so upset over this?what makes u so sure everything is black n white like we were indoctrinated to believe ..since your so smart tell us something about the world we all live in..[/quote

 

Not particularly upset, But since you offered me the podium i will take it.... Nothing is black and white though many try to make it that way..good vs evil, god vs the devil heaven for good ppl hell for bad Mt Olympus vs Hades..that is the human need to create black and white in order to make sense of their reality and give purpose to their existence..in truth nobody has a fucking clue , those who claim they do are primitive weaklings on a spiritual, emotional and intellectual levels.. The world you live in is evolving as is everything in it. The answer to why is unknown the answer to how is unknown. Accept your reality and your place ,, Its highly likely you arent yet capable of discovering the answers..Did man know how to create and operate computers 1000 years ago? Did man know how to create fire 150,000 years ago ? NO and NO.But he does today Does man understand the meaning of life today NO..Maybe in 100 years or 1000 years or maybe never.But any man who claims he does know is a fucking idiot deserving of ridicule unless he has proof in the form of facts verified and supported by science..AKA how things work.. Facts dont exist in an archaic piece of shit text from 2000 years ago anointing man w super natural abilities. That is for morons and written by those slightly above the level of morons for the purpose of controlling the morons and answer their questions with a hook and black and white purpose. This is your reality..You dont know shit you quite possibly were not meant to know shit and most likely will never ever ever know shit,,,I dont know shit , you dont know shit ..BUT some of us pretend we do..some of us are actually brainwashed to the point of believing insane fables and fairy tales written by primitive man making them think they know shit but in fact they do not know shit and are the weakest of all , the lowest on the totem poll in human evolution are those who read a religious scripture and accept it point blank because they are told to because its from a long time ago were things were just different and super natural things happened..Reality is thats all bullshit and smart ppl understand that instantly..But this is not such a bad reality once you undrstand your a fruit fly that lives only a few seconds in a world that operates on a geologic time scale incapable of comprehension by the human mind..Your part of the cycle enjoy the life you have stop pretending you have answers and hope theres some type of recycling or continuation of life if youd like because nobody can tell you otherwise Because nobody has a fucking clue ..If god exists its NOT in a fucking bible..Its in the world you live in and in fact IT IS THE WORLD YOU LIVE IN sorry it doesnt have a white beard or ride on a chariot or die for your "sins" nope it just keep your ass alive and runs everything in a way you cant understand so you make shit up...When you refer to god you mean EARTH...one and the same...and...thats all ive got

Im sure i will piss anyone off who is an ignorant fuck searching for something to believe in..occultists run the planet? that's no better than the brainwashed blind deaf and dumb jesus drones or the wacky militant lunatic muslims or the mentally retarded scientologists and their science fiction author/god.. try bigfoot next or the lochness monster or leprechauns or dracula or elves and dwarves at the center of the earth or try some original shit and gain a following of clueless dolts looking for meaning in their lives in no time..MORONS

Jesus is the real deal..lol mithra..etc.... pagan crap

Jesus is the real deal ? ok that settles it im convinced,,,pagan crap jesus crap..its all the same..GARBAGE

Squat u goofy ass, it's Greek to Latin to old French. Meaning indivisible.

 

But is sure as hell wasn't English and Adam from atom, that you are correct on big boy.

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uh NO you MISSED a large chunk of history there old buddy . the old testament was written in Hebrew and parts were written in Aremaic ..Hebrew was the ORIGINAL language and from there it was translated into Greek..

This world is ran by dark occultists. Literally everything now in pop culture is based on the dark occult or has subliminal dark occult meanings. I can't even watch a movie without seeing occult symbolism within the first minute. You ever research the Merovingian bloodline? What about the black pope and the Jesuits? The majority of Jewish people are sheep just like everyone else is today. Life goes way deeper than any man made religion I think. Jews especially in Israel do look Semetic and have similiar hair as African Americans. Stories in the bible are metaphors that have higher meanings and the new testament is based on Astrology. Even Elohim is a metaphor for the planet Saturn. The first man was named "Adam" because humans are made up of Atoms. The bible isn't supposed to be taken literally. Without man made religion people would be savages and would be killing each other left and right. Society is becoming more and more moral less because there's less and less religious people.

The first man was named Adam because humans are made of atoms? was that a joke? Do you realize that the old testament was written 3000 years ago in Hebrew and the word for atom in Hebrew sounds NOTHING like the name Adam in Hebrew..Thats only in English and it has NO DEEPER MEANING because its a translation..English did not even EXIST when the name Adam was given to the mythological first man much less any knowledge of science and actual atoms and even if they did have Knowledge of them they wouldnt have been called ATOMS because thats ENGLISH ! ok im done now

Yet again we see why bodybuilders have a reputation for being absolute morons ..All of this reciting of archaic belief systems passing it off as history is for simple minds. History was written by the winners, religions that exist today are the result of having been the religions perpetuated by those winners making it all mythology and mumbo jumbo designed to control the masses ..because the masses are fools to be controlled..Its taken thousands of years to get to the point we are at now where religion is dying off..Unfortunately some of us are late to that party.

HCG shuts off natural LH , it mimics the hormone.. However HCG has short life and isn't the cause of your 0 LH ..therefore its GOT to be the Deca, its harsh and has messed many people up for long periods..It can stick around for a lot longer than anticipated in some cases..

Next time you use nandrolone it I'd switch to NPP as that is in and out of system much quicker. However, if you use Deca again I'd discontinue it well before you stop everything else in your cycle maybe at least a month before you start PCT..In the mean time if you feel like shit go on a short cycle 3-4 weeks of short acting compounds other than nandrolone and use the HCG while on from day 1 until the last few days .This will allow the nandro more time to work its way out then restart original planned PCT

been on 60mg/week (20mg subQ 3 x week) for about 3 months now. my bloodwork was stellar and I'm ready to jump back on blast anytime new.

Do you use prop or E for this protocol ?

HCG increases aromatase enzyme..that is different than something that just raises estrogen,,HCG increases the enzyme that converts test into estrogen,,this makes estrogen harder to control even w use of an AI..i dont think you need anywhere near the 500 iu shot multiple times per week some recommend.HCG has a long half life and you can keep testes functioning with just a 100 iu shot EOD..2000 iu's EOD would be ridiculous and turn you into an estrogen factory...for purposes of giving testes a jump start after a long time on cycle maybe 250 iu EOD for a few weeks and then down to 100 EOD

Only 60 mg test per week??

The posts in this thread aren't exactly the best example disproving societies opinion that steroid using muscle heads are total fucking morons