anabolicanimal

" I will not say who the other 3 labs were that failed but those who are reading this know who you are. Again this pisses me off because we all know how dangerous high doses of eq can be on your red blood cell count and how badly it can thicken your blood. Lets say your running what you think is 600-800mg of eq plus another 600-800mg of primo but in reality its around 1600mg of pure eq. This is extremely dangerous yet these sources dont give a fawk. They are only in it for the $ and couldnt give a rats azz about our safety. Well if it wasnt for the customer they wouldnt have any fucking sales so wouldnt it make sense that customers come first????"

So its "extremely dangerous" and the sources "don't give a rats ass" but you do....by holding back the Info?

If that is the true intent and purpose of your thread then you sir have failed because your selectively scamming us if you have info about sources mislabeling gear and hold it back "until further" testing. But you throw some names out there? Sorry man something smells funky up In this thread. I want to think your hearts in the right place but the way your going about this is suspect. Did you take vids of your testing? Cause that's really simple to do. And if your goin to spend 500$ for 40 test strips why not back yourself up with free proof? I don't mean to come off as dickish but I'm not alone in feeling the execution on this is fubar

So you guys spent 500$( 2 of these test kits cause you name 23 samples in your first post) just to help out the community? Idk man if I were to shell out 500$ I'd prob test the source i use and verify his whole line and feel good about my future business deals, or bad depending how it plays out then post results as opposed to bits and pieces of multiple sources. The kindness of Internet strangers is usually difficult for me to accept and when one thing seems amiss it all goes out the window for me.

You need to post their names.. There is no way this is an accident and they got burned by a supplier. Especially EQ nd primo...They arent even in the same form. And if they are doing that with primo who knows what else..Obviously anavar but they are probably also making less potent gear...I actually thought something was wrong with my gear but I attributed it to being on for so long... But Im on some gear now and now Im convinced its bunk.

If we're airing it all out,who's gear are you on now that you feel is bunk? And can we get a time frame as to when the curtain will be lifted? No offense but only naming a few names who "passed" makes me wonder about the intent of this "test" going on. I'm not trying to question your motives but why bits and pieces this shit and be so cryptic?

I appericate anyone who's trying to help the community at large, but if this take home test is easy as it seems wouldn't it be a good idea to take a quick vid of the tests in action? Pop open a fresh bottle to be tested video tape it and make it so the source can't claim foul. Just saying you've tested these opens a can of worms, cause some sources have die hard followers that will back them no matter what. I would like to know more about this primo thing a I finally saved enough pennies to run it at a decent dose for 12 weeks, you got the right idea rai stay with fr cheap effective stuff.

Lmao. I have a very close buddy who still comes to me to get pinned. Been doing this for him for 10yrs. He cant do it at all. He dis pass out the one and only time he tried himself as I guided him. So now I get to stick him so we only use long esters for him so I dont have to see his ass every other day. :)

That's crazy I tought I was the only one to have a friend like this! Been around as long too bout 10 years of him stopping by. In the summer hell take mast/test prop and will miss shots if I'm not around.

I think kyleb is right on a few points, certainly about joint protectives taking awhile to kick in (for me its around 4-6 weeks to feel the benifit). With a first run on gear and taking abombs your goint to be. Toucing weights you e never clome close to before minor injurys are way possable. Aside from that he is right that in theory you would take 1 drug see its effect on your body then move foward knowing exactly what that drug did and if you liked it or not. But we don't live in theory we live in the real world so if you think doing a show right now is the best time for you and you don't want to wait around taking 6-12 months testing things out then give. This cycle a shot. The doses aren't crAzy, it seems sound, but the big mystery is those last 4 weeks how is that winny going to make you look? I you knew how it effects you. No mystery

Niqual, melatonin, 5htp, you name it I tried it tren destroys me unless I take temazepam(preferred) or something prescribed. I tried the high test the low test pre summer ill give no test a try but this winter its dbol test gh a good nights sleep and a 80's bulked up bloated look for me.

Mr.Bronson I believe your dislike of the genere is clouding your judgement of it being a legitimate form of expression. It "sucking the big cock" really doesn't make much sense to me. You don't like rap music I get it, I also understand and agree that the message of most rap songs is one of negativity, but I still maintain the use of language is impressive beyond measure. I can't name one current relevant poet from the past 25 years but can rattle of a number of rappers who utalize the same kinda if verbal techniques most poets do. Its a tradgedy that the content is such that most are short sighted in regards to the skills these men and women have. I think history will judge them differently then "sucking the big cock".

The funny thing is most of tbe rap stories are FAKE. I forget who it was but they had a very good youtube vid about this. All this "struggling" and what not these guys try and protray is fake, the guy has a few million dollars in the bank(from stupid kids buying there songs), how the heck is he struggling? Or they talk about the "streets" while he lives in a LARGE house with fancy cars in a upper class neighborhood where the crime is 0 and his own kids probably go to private school...it's all a joke and a game, nothing more.

I totally agree the large majority of rap is entertainment. rick ross a famous florida rapper used to be a corrections officer and stole his rap name from a los angles crack dealer high way ricky ross. the fake rick ross actually has gone so far as to tattoo rick ross on his hands....very odd. but he does have millions. most rappers did grow up in the hood but have diffcutly staying relivent because like you said they run out of material. emnem has been rapping about the same 3 things his whole life, shitty mom, shitty wife, and being white. but it still sells amazingly. rappers know their time is limited in the business so they've learned to branch out into cloths, booze, and even acting(ll cool j is on one of Americas most watched tv shows). it's entertainment for some, sadly the kids I work with take it as gospel because they have very limited choices as what else to listen to. if everyone you know does the same thing its very difficult to even find something else let alone do it.

I know rap music gets a bad name in most circles especially those whose majority is made up of white males(I myself one of them), and I can not defend the message put forth by most rappers today as it is mostly of the negative tone which glorifies both violence and material wealth over all else. I will say though what rappers are doing in regards to use of human language hasn’t been done this well since Shakespeare. The use of similes’ and metaphors, the use of personification it’s clearly urban poetry. The message sucks, it’s lost meaning, brining social awareness to a place most of America never had seen rap burst onto the music industry with something behind it. From white lines to 911 is a joke some rappers used their mic’s to talk about social ills in the community. Now sadly it’s all “hip-pop” music with no message aside from consume, and achievement is only judged by what you wear or the car you drive. Its’ mostly crap really. There are still some who talk about personal issues while using the form, but it’s mainly bling bling style these days. But my point is with lyrics and word play such as il waynes “real G’s move in silence like lasagna” G is short for gangster and the word play of using a word with a silent G like lasagna is pretty fucking genius. Please for a moment take a look at his two verses on the song 6foot 7foot. Its arguably one of the best lyrical outputs over the past few years. With no hook solely his rhymes make the song work(with no hook it wasn’t nearly as successful as his other songs, 13 year olds like to sing along after all). His prior great “a milli” is also one such song that goes by lyrics and not much else. And is one of my personal favorites. Look it up if you get the chance.

Excuse my charisma, vodka with a spritzer

Swagger down pat, call my shit Patricia

Young Money militia and I am the commissioner

You no wan' start Weezy cause the 'F' is for finisher

So misunderstood, but what's a world without enigma?

Two bitches at the same time, synchronized swimmers

Got the girl twisted cause she open when you twist her

Never met the bitch, but I fuck her like I missed her

Life is the bitch, and death is her sister

Sleep is the cousin, what a fuckin' family picture

You know Father Time, and we all know Mother Nature

It's all in the family, but I am of no relation

No matter who's buyin', I'm a celebration

Black and white diamonds, fuck segregation

Fuck that shit, my money up, you niggas just Honey Nut

Young Money runnin' shit and you niggas just runner-ups

I don't feel I done enough, so I'mma keep on doin' this shit

Lil Tunechi or Young Tuna Fish

I'm goin' back in

Okay, I lost my mind, it's somewhere out there stranded

I think you stand under me if you don't understand me

Had my heart broken by this woman named Tammy

But hoes gon' be hoes, so I couldn't blame Tammy

Just talked to Moms, told her she the sweetest

I beat the beat up, call it self-defense

Swear, man, I be seein' through these niggas like sequins

Niggas think they He-Men, pow, pow, the end

Talkin' to myself because I am my own consultant

Married to the money, fuck the world, that's adultery

You full of shit, you close your mouth and let yo' ass talk

Young Money eatin', all you haters do is add salt

Stop playin', bitch, I got this game on deadbolt

Mind so sharp, I fuck around and cut my head off

Real nigga all day and tomorrow

But these motherfuckers talkin' crazy like they jaw broke

Glass half empty, half full, I'll spill ya

Try me and run into a wall: outfielder

You know I'mma ball 'til they turn off the field lights

The fruits of my labor, I enjoy 'em while they still ripe

Bitch, stop playin', I do it like a king do

If these niggas animals, then I'mma have a mink soon

Tell 'em bitches I say put my name on the wall

I speak the truth, but I guess that's a foreign language to y'all

And I call it like I see it, and my glasses on

But most of y'all don't get the picture 'less the flash is on

Satisfied with nothin', you don't know the half of it

Young Money, Cash Money

Paper chasin', tell that paper, "Look, I'm right behind ya"

Bitch, real G's move in silence like lasagna

People say I'm borderline crazy, sorta kinda

Woman of my dreams, I don't sleep so I can't find her

You niggas are gelatin, peanuts to an elephant

I got through that sentence like a subject and a predicate

Yeah, with a swag you would kill for

Money too strong, pockets on bodybuilder

Jumped in a wishin' well, now wish me well

Tell 'em kiss my ass, call it kiss and tell

I like it. And echo what everyone else has mentioned. You could even use different orals each 16 week blast. Tbol,Drol,superdrol,oral tren. Not to hijack your post but what's everyone's oral protocol? The norm seems 4 on 4 off but his training seems to favor 2on 2 off anyone use this before?

Ill just repeat alot of what was said in that running deca give it 16 weeks. A great third bulking cycle IMO would look like this:

Weeks 1-16 Test E 500mg

1-16 deca 300mg

1-4 dbol 30mg ed

12-16 dbol 30mg ed

For me deca shouldn't be too close to the test your runnin interms of dose. and at such an early stage I feel its a better play to simply keep the deca at a low yet still effective dose as opposed to making your test dose higher. Dublin's suggestion of kicking and ending with dbol is a great one as if we all had super organs we'd be running dbol non stop. Its that dam good. The break is to help keep you healthy. But dbol and bulk go hand in hand so any way to get a few more week on it during a bulk is a good idea. Personally idk how people take 50-100mg per day of dbol, 30-40 works wonders for me. Anything more and I personally don't see much difference. I'd once again start off with low yet effective doses of compounds as if your in this game for the long hual you'll have your time to bump it all up. Like you said gear doesn't replace a good diet and it doesn't totally replace time eaither. I train with some younger kids at my gym and their all making good progress as always want to up the doses but I tell them if your making steady noticeable gains keep up the good work just takes time. And big ups to you cheese heads when I was out in Chicago I enjoyed the best dam pizza of my life and most said its cause of the fresh milk out there makes the cheese taste better.

anabolicanimal, that was a long post but you had some very insightful info there. I hope the OP benefits from this because I certainly have.

Thanks man just trying to pay it foward for the first timers form a somewhat old timer. As for the proposed cycle I'm sure you'll get alot in regards to doses. All ill say is less is better, go low as long as you can. Up will always be an option but coming down won't be. And depending on when your trip is you could take your shot for the week and a sneek the Drol in fairly easy. But are you really going to kill it at the gym on a trip for 11 days like you would at home? Maybe postpone your start date a bit.

Surely go see a dr, but since I play one on tv where is the pain coming from? Right below the kneecap? That would seem to be your patella tendon. If the pain is on the sides or behind the knee its a ligiment issue. I'm dealing with a patella issue right now myself from slamming it directly into the ground. Ice generally helps everything outside of gunshot wounds, give that and anti inflammatorys a try till you see a dr and he does X-ray but the real truth comes out in the MRI and that could be weeks away. Oh and leg day hit up the vag machines (abbductor adducer) single leg press, curl, extension and call it a day.

Now that a certain source who's HGH rep is pretty golden Is open I've decided to invest enough for a 6 no th run. My main concern is will the cold weather (northeast USA) during delivery damage the HGH? This very moment I'm sure its fine but if things take longer then expexted it can get as low as 20 degrees in dec if not lower. Any idea as what temp is too low?

I think your going to get a lot of different views on doses that's for sure and prob a lot of different views on drugs as well. the best advice I've got in all my years on the boards was "everything works but not everything works for everyone". it's kinda like working out some things are nearly universal(exceptions of course) but when you ask a guy what routines/volume/rep range works best for him it's usually a bunch of different answers. same goes with gear it's trial and error in my opinion. here's my take on your specific questions: tapering and pyramiding went out with fanny packs and zubaz pants. I advocate taking an effective dose from day one and running that till the end, granted at your experience level you'll have to play around with doses to see where the risk of sides is greater then the reward of higher dose(tren for example is something some people run 200mg a day some run 30mg a day can't say where you fall in till you start taking it yourself). for the most part you can pick up what an effective dose is from just reading about the drugs that your looking to take.

duration is sometimes a personal question, most will tell you not to run orals for any great length of time(4-8 weeks) but then again some guys I've read have gone crazy with dbol for months and are still alive. I personally error on the side of caution with orals. in terms of cycle length that's another wide ranging answer. science wise you'd never run long acting stuff for short periods of time(test cyp for 4 weeks would be down right silly), so duration depends on drugs for the most part but also the personal question of how it's effecting your health(gotta be honest I don't get blood work done on a reg biases but most would say it's advisable). "normal" cycles are 8-12 weeks (once again that's just from my exp of what normal is). i'm 32 and don't plan to come off so pct isn't really a strong point of mine, I talk with a young guy at the gym who has a lot more info then I do about all kinds of anti e's that are best suited for pct, I can only offer the old "time on equals time off" phrase that is by no means dr approved. if your in your 20's and run "normal" cycles with hcg an anti e and clomid you should bounce back fine.

in regards to the actual drugs used for your experience level and goals i will say what your prob gunna hear from everyone run test at a min of 250mg per week add in 1 other compound(i say 1 because if you've never taken anything and you start taking 3 things at once how do you know what did what exactly) and there's your cycle. so for your bulking something like this.

weeks 1-12 test cyp 500mg

weeks 1-4 dbol 25 mg ed

weeks 8-12 dbol 25mg ed

i think that's a basic conservative first mass gaining cycle. once again some guys take 50-100mg dbol me personally never saw much difference after 40mg and feel 30mg per day is just fine. keep in mind everything needs to flow to your goals, diet, training, then drugs. so if your trying to gain mass keep all that in mind. some guys can cut on dbol(god bless them but i guess they don't live any where near cake cause if i'm dbol i'll eat everything in front of me). next mass cycle maybe you add some deca, see how you feel react, next mass cycle maybe sub drol for the dbol, next mass cycle maybe you up this take that, you get the point.

for leading up to your show i'd opt for something like this

weeks 1-10 test prop 500mg ew

weeks 1-10 tren ace 200-400mg ew(gotta play around with this one)

idk if tren is the "look" for what your going for idk how you'll react to tren maybe you just run mast prop 400mg per week for 10 weeks. running your first "cutting" cycle while trying to do a show may be hard to figure out what does what to achieve what look. i know after over 10 years of running things my cycles are pretty much set in stone regarding doses and drug combos. winter test deca dbol summer tren mast test. moderate doses long lengths and i'm happy. hope you got some info out of all that i'm sure others will lend some info to you as well, there's a lot of experience on this board.welcome to the anabolic world, but keep in mind like pringles once you pop you can't stop.

In regards to anabolics are you looking to run 2 cycles 1 to gain size then 1 for your show or just 1 cycle for your show? Idk much about physique but I will say kyleb here sure knows his shit about not only physique and has posted pics to back it up.

Oh and kyleb if your new to this world I'd advise you stay away from "average" body types stick to skinny or athletic cause a fat girl will always put down avg(unless you like the chubbies I had my fair share). And never trust 1 face pic I could get a good angle on chubacka that could make him look halfway decent with the right lighting. Go for the chicks with pics tht where taken by someone else who wasnt looking for the perfect angle selfie otherwise get prepared for that 7 to turn into a 3 when you meet at Starbucks. And as stated before be honest about your intent,this ain't the 1950's alot of girls are open about no commitment and just looking to have fun.

Any site that's totally free like pof or okcupid you gotta expect a fair amount of riff raff, any bar I bounced at around colleges that wante to keep the thugs out would always charge a 5$ cover. Is that alot? Not really but it totally reduces the kind of drinkers we didn't want coming in. Same goes or online dating, match ain't free so you get women who are trying alittle harder then the ones off the free sites. Now idk if it was mentioned but if you guys wanna fly your freak flag for a few chek out fetlife.com its free its not overwhelming with members BUT ever wanted to choke a girl unconsious and then assfuck her? Me eaither till some girl from there begged me to do it. That's the kind of lady you find there. You know the marrying type :-)

Gotta completely disagree Mr.T steriods have a place in every sport even golf. Your argument about timing doesn't hold up when you look at the long list of all time great baseball players who were caught(not to mention all the ones that weren't caught). Even mma has a pretty long list who test positive and most guys I know that fought amateur were always on at least test to help recover from training. But i will agree it is Impossable to recommend something until he says what exactly he's competing in.

I would think for your first couple of local shows by all means ask for advice and I get the prospective that you never stop learning. My issue isn't even with you per say I just feel there's alot of these posts about "going pro" yet there's not alot of pictures posted of guys who have that potential. I'm no where near pro level but have a very good understanding of what drugs do what to me at different doses. I would think someone planning to go to the highest level of this sport would be at that point already. And I'd switch that diet soda to water its much better for you.

Do all national level guys trying to go pro ask message boards for advice on what they should take? I think I see posts like this every 3 months but have seen maybe 3 national level physiques in the member pics section. If you have a coach that only works with 10 people a year why are you looking to take advice from strangers on the Internet? I'm sorry but I just can't drink this koolaid.

oh and i know pics can be deciving my calfs where 17in and quads 26 1/2in in those pics. my brother has calfs the same size and doesn't even train, i think my mom has us both beat too must have 19 in calfs on her. i'm in decent shape at the moment (212lbs) but on a curise so the vasculatiry isn't there. i'm kinda done bulking(but may try for some new pr's in jan with dbol) i'm happy being this size as i can still play some pick up basketball when my knees allow me too(not on tren tho kills me after a few mins) and hit the heavy bag for a few rounds.

been a member for some years now, love this board as it's the only one i frequent. alot of intelligent enlighten men here and i've been fortunate to learn so much from them during this time. I finally took the time to edit some pics from the summer(no not photoshop just cropped I have way too many distinct tattoos and I’d prefer my pictures not be linked to a steroid website due to my line of work). I do feel that posting pics adds (or in some cases subtracts) credibility from information given. These pics where taken mid summer (july 2013) I was around 203-207lbs lean enough to see the top two abs(covered in tattoos blurs the definition a bit) I’m 5’8, 32 years old been training since 16 first cycle of 200mg deca a week at 18(no clue what I was doing wasted so many cycles in the early 20’s due to lack of diet and partying)(cycled till about 28 been on the cruise blast method since cruise is 200mg test per week blasts are all over the place but for me 400mg tren 400mg mast 200mg test seems perfect for the look I want). My legs are prob my worst bodypart due to knee surgeries. If I get some time I’ll post an upper body pic but with all the tats it’s a lot of bluring out I’ll have to do.