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I've seen it done with, like, a medicine ball on top of the pad. You push down on the ball. Dont know what advantage that has over just pushing the pad. Anyway, I've tried it before, both ways you asked about, and couldn't really figure it out so that it worked for me so I'm interested too

 

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Seems like that would be replicating a cable pushdown with a V bar almost. Holding the sides would replicate just a neutral grip pushdown. But having your palms flat on the pad would be different I would think because you have your hand and forearm at a different angle than with any sort of attachment that I can think of.

This drives me nuts too. Whenever I reach in there around them they always look at me like they're completely shocked & I'm the ass....I mean really. Use your fucking head. You have to be a complete moron to not realize your blocking other people.

Tricep pushdowns on the assisted pull-up machine is great honestly, zero elbow pain and I get a very nice pump.

Where do you put your hands to do these? Just hold onto the sides of the pad? Or you do put your hands flat in the middle...? Might try these sometime.

I don't understand why people use these random, stupid labs they find. Why would you even bother when you have established sources here & on other private boards that you can use who can be trusted? SMH.

I actually leaned over and took a peak as she was writing the prescription and saw testosterone and 200 and thought perfect . It wasn't till I walked outside I realized it was 200 per ml I had seen not 200 per week .Didn't know what to do after I walked out otherwise I would have discussed it . I think your explanation makes a lot of sense that maybe she wants to see what a low dose does for my overall numbers and how I tolerate it .

Ahh, I gotcha.

One more piece of advice... I would not play with adding test to what she is giving you until she has you where you want to be.. you don't want your blood work to show anything funny... Once she says I'll see you in 6 months then you go on a 4 month blast...

And start giving blood every 2 months to keep your Hematocrit with in normal range

Definitely agree with this. I've seen so many guys screw themselves by using high doses and getting surprise bloodwork.

Definitely agree with these two on this no extra testosterone point as well as what they mentioned in their earlier posts.

It may be best for you to call & take 5-10 minutes of her time to find out exactly what her method or plan is with this. I have a feeling that she is doing what I explained in my previous post (same thing Thaistick speculated as well), but you seem concerned, which I can definitely understand, so talking to your doctor about this will probably put your mind at ease.

It is much, much easier to start at a lower dose & then increase it than it is to start at a high dose that throws your blood levels over the top end of the normal range & then try to adjust to dosage down from there. That would end up being a clusterfuck & you'd have to worry about dealing with the estrogen increase & everything else as well.

+1 to Tony's blood donation suggestion. I donate at least 4 times per year, usually 5. Basically as soon as I can donate again, I go in. The Red Cross people all know who I am because I'm there all the time lol. Donating is good for you & as a result of our usage, our blood is better than other non-gear using individuals, so any patient that receives our blood will benefit as well - moreso than receiving "regular" blood. As a medic, I've had patients who ended up needing blood due to hemorrhage, so I understand how important blood donations are for the blood supply - plus as mentioned, it benefits you as well.

I'm assuming she's going to do blood tests again in the very near future to see where 50mg/week puts you...starting at low doses is not uncommon. For example, switching from one opioid to another, often times the patient ends up experiencing withdrawal symptoms because they start the patient on the new drug at a dose that is lower than equivalent (due to incomplete tolerance - safer with this method). The doctor will then increase the dosage to find the patient's equivalent dosage with the new drug.

These are concerns you should have discussed with your doctor. Why you would leave without getting satisfactory answers is beyond me. Your doctor works for you. If they're not doing their job to your satisfaction & providing you with adequate options, dosages, or explanations for any issue or problem, then you need to "fire" that doctor & find a new one.

It's only about 14 pounds I need to drop. I just fear losing a ton of strength. I mean how hard will the cut be with using test suspension and tren and Anavar?

I'm using the same compounds (plus a few others) & I've been in a slight caloric deficit for a few weeks & a pretty large one the last week or so. I just PR'd on front squats the other night (weight & volume PRs).

I won my class 425 press

Congrats! >2x BW bench...pretty sick.

I have always had PIP from 2ml of test E. I remember using the old Sustenon pre loads from Mexico and 1ml just about crippled me for days... So if most are not getting PIP then I'm Jealous but this works for me if you don't like it and don't need to then don't be critical. I like the change.

Peace

If this is directed towards me, I did not mean to be critical. I've never really heard of people getting PIP from test E or C. Prop, sure, or just a bad injection of E or C, but the only real PIP instances I've ever heard of with long esters could usually be traced to the lab/brewing process.

I was just confused as to why you were doing so much work to inject some lousy test. I'm pushing >2.0cc everyday right now, so I'd rather suffer some minor PIP than try to have to force MORE oil into myself. Like Tony said, everyone is different. I guess I'm lucky in that I don't really get PIP from any specific compound I've used - just bad injections ocassionally. But if you get bad PIP from test E in general, then do what you gotta do.

If you're getting PIP from test E, I'd find a new source.

I also did not know they made 5/8" needles in 23g.

LMAO!! Nobody can be that stupid...somebody please tell me that video is a joke.

These people only understand one language. And that's force.

I blast & cruise now, but when I used to cycle/PCT (after my third "cycle" I never came off - it was basically my first blast), I believe I waited about 10-14 days with long esters.

As far as I am concerned, anyone who is smart will be on TRT by the time they are 45 at the latest. I started B&C in my early twenties.

If you insist on PCTing, you may want to look into torem. It is a newer SERM & that was what I used for my second and last PCT. I recovered much, much quicker & felt better during it. I also didn't break out like CRAZY like I did with the clomid/nolva PCT. HCG you don't really need, but some people think it helps. A lot of people will run it throughout the cycle, on the belief that if you prevent testicular atrophy (or at least minimize it), recovery should be quicker and easier. I did this on my first cycle. HCG will also increase estrogen though. Other people will blast it for a week or so after the last test injection & prior to starting PCT. During the cycle, 250IU twice a week will suffice & this was the protocol I followed. The protocol for the blast week of HCG is different - I think a lot of people will do 1000IU for 5 days or so, but don't quote me on that. I never did that.

Since I never truly come off anymore (once in a while I'll go 3-6 weeks without pinning anything) I don't know anywhere near enough about PCT anymore to expand much on what I just said. You need to do your own research on that.

Again, blast & cruise is the way to go. Cycling/PCTing just throws you on this constant hormonal rollercoaster. Basically 3 steps forward, two steps back to a certain point & then it's 3 forward & 3 back. IMO hormones are a commitment. Either commit & go all in or just don't do it period.

I believe rui I get from does some kind of testing I know I been using thete cialis for years an now mt2 best ive ever used now im on thete mk677 and lgd 4033

Cialis is dosed in MILLIgrams. MICROgrams are much, much smaller. Milligram is x10^-3, while microgram is x10^-6.

I have a supplier I use whose fantastic. T3 and clen is on point and it's RC. Could be an issue of dosing properly. But even a full ml of clen should have given me something. There were numerous issues with him and that MJ guy. I'm all for redemption and totally get shit happens bad raws ect. But that just left a bad taste in my mouth.

Oh, I agree - you definitely should have felt something with an entire mL that supposedly contains 200mcg/mL. These are potentially dangerous chemicals though & micrograms are, as I mentioned above, very small & you need proper equipment to dose them properly. I just bought a scale to measure out anavar raw & it does not go down to micrograms (not accurately anyway). I actually looked up microgram scales while I was deciding which milligram scale to buy out of curiosity & the prices for microgram scales are very high.

I just don't trust these research companies. I'll pay extra for real stuff so I can have some peace of mind.

They sourced here before. Complete garbage. I remember taking there clen and felt nothing. Took a full ML which should have been 200mcg and got nothing. T3 was bs too. Hadn't used clen or t3 on a year or so prior. So it wasn't a desensitization issue. Dude had no explanation for it either.

I don't believe that these companies have the means to accurately dose things at the microgram level. I could be wrong I suppose, but I don't trust them.

Thanks Nerve! Very good read.

 

 

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Sure thing. I think there's a few more studies out there looking at raloxifene for gyno.

Interesting Nerve. Thanks.

I'm surprised you haven't seen it on our other board...I actually couldn't find a post over there where I linked that study (so I had to Google for it), but I swear I've posted it over there at least a few times.

Do have a link to the studies I would like to check it out outta curiosity =)

 

 

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15238910

Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia.

Lawrence SE1, Faught KA, Vethamuthu J, Lawson ML.

 

Abstract

OBJECTIVES:

 

To assess the efficacy of the anti-estrogens tamoxifen and raloxifen in the medical management of persistent pubertal gynecomastia.

STUDY DESIGN:

 

Retrospective chart review of 38 consecutive patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who presented to a pediatric endocrinology clinic. Patients received reassurance alone or a 3- to 9-month course of an estrogen receptor modifier (tamoxifen or raloxifene).

RESULTS:

 

Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients.

CONCLUSION:

 

Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect.

Yes, ralox for 1-2 weeks @ 120mg/day. Drop it to 90mg/day for another two weeks, then run it @ 60mg/day until the issue is resolved (if it can be). And get your estrogen levels under control.

they should rename it to harass and shoot

Lol, I've been saying this for years! "To protect & serve? More like to harass, threaten, & intimidate." Bitch cop was not happy with me lol.

cops that do their duty and follow the constitution are all good..Its the other 95% of pigs that fuck it up for the good cops.Cops shouldnt get a pat on the back for doing their jobs..thats what they signed up for and get payed for.Also a cops life is no more valuable then anyone elses

If "good" cops see injustice and law breaking by their own, but don't speak out against it, then these "good" cops are just as bad & just as guilty as their law breaking brethren.

it's not for you to determine if youre not doing anything wrong. it's for a court of law. you can't fight back for a wrongful arrest, at least not in my state.

The US Supreme court says you can. They also ruled you can assist someone else who is being unlawfully arrested. In either instance, I believe their phrasing was something to the effect of "can legally resist an unlawful arrest by any means necessary, up to & including the use of lethal force against the arresting officer."

I buy bottles of capsules with 2000IU in them. I take 5 of them in the morning. Not sure if that is a "high dose" or not.

The whole elbow tuck thing got over exaggerated, imo, because of shirted benching where an extreme elbow tuck and low bar placement on the chest, or abs as the case may be, are necessary to make the more extreme bench shirts work, or more accurately, to even touch your chest. While raw lifters do need to use a certain, more moderate amount of tuck it's nothing like shirted benching. It's much like in the squat where "back, back, back" was the cue for lifters in squat suits. It became such a common cue that it was blown out of context.

Yep, exactly.

I have to admit that I actually didn't read the OP & just assumed he was talking about shoulder pain. But elbow pain can certainly result from form that is not correct. For example, "tuck the elbows" is a cue that is commonly heard and used. But there is such a thing as too much tucking, which can result in elbow pain. Could also be referred pain from somewhere else. Elbow or shoulder, I'd want to see a video of the person's set up as well as them actually moving weight @ various percentages.

I've seen those studies about the deca, EQ, anavar, etc. I am pretty sure I have posted studies about that on another forum. I'm not 100% positive, but I may have; I know I've discussed it over there. It is the same forum I posted the nolva/ralox thing on actually Apex. And no, I have not forgotten about that. I am in a 4 week summer statistics class. I have an exam on Tuesday & a final on Thursday. Pretty sure I will not be taking the final (it's optional & currently my test average is >100% so I don't really need it unless I absolutely tank the exam on Tuesday lol). So if I don't take the final, I'm pretty sure I'll be done with the class on Tuesday (would guess Wednesday is like review - maybe a quiz I might have to go in for, IDK). Then I will have time to try to find that stuff.

You're probably not benching properly...I can count on one hand the number of people I've seen bench properly.

Explain your set up or preferably take a video of you setting up & benching.

If I don't run 25mg I start getting acne sides and feeling lethargic... The Tren I added because I have a lot of it, and I figured it would be a good finisher to the end of a bulk cycle. It would keep me lean.

Sure, it might if you run it throughout. I don't see 6 weeks of tren E doing a whole lot for you. I ran a low dose of tren E all winter (300mg/week) & it definitely helped keep me leaner. I was actually losing fat while putting on mass for a while.

Why are you increasing doses so frequently?

I agree with Wetlook..that seems like a lot of exemestane. I'm using 735mg of sust, <500mg of nandrolone (both esters), ~600mg of tren (both esters), and bold cyp. I only take 12.5mg of exemestane EOD. And that's with using 80-130mg of TNE before most training sessions.

Isn't that a long time to be on those orals? I love halo & anavar - tried tbol a few months ago & liked that too, but other than that, I'm not big into oral gear. So I'm not super well versed in them but but I know superdrol is horrible for one's liver & I believe anadrol is pretty bad as well, although not as bad as superdrol. You might want to space those out. Take some TUDCA or other liver support too.

Do have a link to the studies I would like to check it out outta curiosity =)

 

 

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I don't. BUT I posted at least one link to a nolva vs ralox study on another board maybe a year ago. I'll see if I can find some time later today or within the next few days to look for that post & find the link.

Lol, damn. Wetlook is tossing this guy's salad lmao.

10 years of "cycling"...you should really know how to manage gyno symptoms. Since like...a decade ago.

Also, nolva is shit. Raloxifene is the new SERM for gyno. Studies have shown it is much more effective - and yes, there are studies on this, despite your claims to the contrary.