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I always say this about weight gain. If you are eating a surplus..you will gain weight. Even if you dont train. It may be fat..but gain nonetheless. Heres what I always tell people I help. If you think you are eating enough..you still probably arent. If you eat ONE calorie less than what it takes for you to gain..you will go nowhere.

I couldn't have said it better myself lol

I've used Dynasty's Trest. My planned protocol was to dose 75mg EOD...so about 267.5mg a week. First shot was Sunday 75mg and no AI. Come Monday evening and was going to get busy with my girl... I was totally SHUT DOWN...couldn't get hard for the life of me! I'm talking about totally flaccid and no semi anything... Nothing! and I mean nothing has ever shut me down this fast and completely!.....I got it under control with some Letro in a day or so. It seems to convert hard initially and then it levels off and I used my regular A-sin protocol I use with Test and everything was fine. I also switched to .5 cc ED dosing....saying that also because that might've helped too....

 

Results?...... I gained 10lbs and re-comped on my regular maintenance calories on a 6 week run. Sooooo..... Yeah, I say it was legit.......

I'm glad u liked it bud.....

The sides are tuff to Guage because some guys get supercharged sex drives.....some guys get immediate gyno and the E is so high they have no sex drive. It's one of those compounds that you kinda don't know which to expect until u try it, but always advise having aromasin or even letro on hand because gyno can get out of hand fast.

Is everyone's trest from D very dark golden? Kinda like his tren ace is? I've only used 2 other labs trest but those were both clear as water and both had the same visible effects. Just wondering if it's a mislabeled tren ester by mistake or not. Only reason I don't really think it's tren is I haven't gotten tren cough and I ALWAYS get it but have only ever used tren ace so I guess it could be a longer ester tren and may not get cough from those.

Well I'm certainly not perfect but definitely no mislabeling with the MENT because that raw is so expensive I take extra care time and caution with that..... my price actually just went up significantly because I can't afford a full kg at once, so I may just offer it as a pre pay pre order product from now on because I don't want to pull it completely off the list, but financially it doesn't make sense for me to stock it at my new raw cost any longer.....

Ive touched on this before but The only time any compound would be clear is if it's made with EO because EO is clear and depending on heat and chemical color changes some compounds will remain clear when cooked in EO..... ment is one of those items that will not react chemically with a color change with EO and will remain clear at the finished stage......TestCyp and test ace and deca also stay clear to the finished stage with EO, so if you ever see a bottle of clear thin cyp from a supplier that doesn't mean that it is not really test cyp, it just means that it's made with EO NOT gso. Tren on the other hand reacts chemically with EO causing a bright red orange end product.......

When ment is brewed with gso high heat is needed in order to get it to hold, that heat combined with gso naturally darker color gives you an amber end product. If i used EO like everyone else you'd get a clear end product. I'm sorry if the color dissatisfied you, I can send u a small amount of raw with some gso if you'd like to witness the color change first hand?

Lol@ people defending a source that takes more than 3 months to ship intl. Gh. Writing is on the wall with him

Ok bro.... are we just gonna make shit up now?? It took me 3 months to ship hgh to you? You're lying flat out.....

You had several orders with me that u had no problem with, your last order waa shipped to you later then promised yes, but it took 16 days to arrive, it sat at yoir mail for 5 days and you then posted your dissatisfaction with a 3 weeks TA, I then told u to check your mail that your pack was there for a week.....you then said D your full of shit, because it was less then a week that it was sitting there.....

So since your gonna claim I take 3 months to ship....how bout you post up the facts regarding your claim, the date you ordered the date u received and post the emails to back up your claim of a 3 month wait.....

http://m.ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.full

 

"Abstract

Testosterone increases muscle mass and strength and regulates other physiological processes, but we do not know whether testosterone effects are dose dependent and whether dose requirements for maintaining various androgen-dependent processes are similar. To determine the effects of graded doses of testosterone on body composition, muscle size, strength, power, sexual and cognitive functions, prostate-specific antigen (PSA), plasma lipids, hemoglobin, and insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I) levels, 61 eugonadal men, 18-35 yr, were randomized to one of five groups to receive monthly injections of a long-acting gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonist, to suppress endogenous testosterone secretion, and weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone enanthate for 20 wk. Energy and protein intakes were standardized. The administration of the GnRH agonist plus graded doses of testosterone resulted in mean nadir testosterone concentrations of 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl at the 25-, 50-, 125-, 300-, and 600-mg doses, respectively. Fat-free mass increased dose dependently in men receiving 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone weekly (change +3.4, 5.2, and 7.9 kg, respectively). The changes in fat-free mass were highly dependent on testosterone dose (P = 0.0001) and correlated with log testosterone concentrations (r = 0.73, P = 0.0001). Changes in leg press strength, leg power, thigh and quadriceps muscle volumes, hemoglobin, and IGF-I were positively correlated with testosterone concentrations, whereas changes in fat mass and plasma high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol were negatively correlated. Sexual function, visual-spatial cognition and mood, and PSA levels did not change significantly at any dose. We conclude that changes in circulating testosterone concentrations, induced by GnRH agonist and testosterone administration, are associated with testosterone dose- and concentration-dependent changes in fat-free mass, muscle size, strength and power, fat mass, hemoglobin, HDL cholesterol, and IGF-I levels, in conformity with a single linear dose-response relationship. However, different androgen-dependent processes have different testosterone dose-response relationships.

 

 

Serum total and free testosterone levels (Table2), measured during week 16, 1 wk after the previous injection, were linearly dependent on the testosterone dose (P = 0.0001). Serum total and free testosterone concentrations decreased from baseline in men receiving the 25- and 50-mg doses and increased at 300- and 600-mg doses. Serum LH levels were suppressed in all groups. Serum SHBG levels decreased dose dependently at the 300- and 600-mg doses but did not change in other groups. Serum IGF-I concentrations increased dose dependently at the 300- and 600-mg doses (correlation between log testosterone level and change in IGF-I = 0.55, P = 0.0001).

 

Testosterone Doses.png

 

Per the study and image/chart above:

 

Of the 61 participants who were injecting Testosterone Enanthate

125 mg = 570 ng/dl - 4.56X Increase

300 mg = 1345 ng/dl - 4.48X Increase

600 mg = 2370 ng/dl - 3.95X Increase

 

Note that all levels were below the commonly used 5X multiple/formula.

 

I also want to point out something that should be obvious but seems to be totally unknown on these forums... As the injected amount of testosterone increases, the multiplier (or 5X rule) decreases. Meaning, where 125 mg increased ng/dl levels by 4.56X, 600 mg only increases ng/dl levels by 3.95X, a 13% decrease.

 

You ever see bloods posted for a UGL that don't meet (the 5X rule) expectations? It can get ugly fast. Sometimes the rep is torn apart from limb to limb and then sent off to a meat packer in TX. I don't have a dog in this hunt as I have no part in the UGL game, but it would be nice if people had a better idea of whats going on.

 

I'll explain why this happens in a moment.

 

Also notice what happens with Free Testosterone and SHBG:

 

Free Testosterone

125 mg = 52 pg/ml

300 mg = 138 pg/ml

600 mg = 275 pg/ml

 

Note: The amount/percent of free testosterone increases with higher doses

 

SHBG

125 mg = 33.1 to 28.9 nmol/l - 12% decrease from baseline

300 mg = 31.4 to 22.4 nmol/l - 28.6% decrease from baseline

600 mg = 40.1 to 20.6 nmol/l - 48.63% decrease from baseline

 

As higher amounts of Testosterone are injected, Free T and the percent of Free T increase in correlation with a decrease in SHBG, which correlates to progessive decrease in the (5X Rule) mg per ng/dl multiplier response to Testosterone."

NOT MY WORDS. This I got off from another forum. But I agree with what he is presenting.

The 10x rules seems extreme.

Brother.....this was my exact point from the start, as yoir injections increase the multiplier decreases..... guys think that since 200mg test gets u a 1000 reading they think that 2000mg test should give them a 10,000 reading, and that's simply not true as your post clearly shows.... but again it seems most people just prefer to believe the lab is being shady even when all the signs point elsewhere, I tried to open up this point calmly in the beginning but I guess guys are happier thinking I'm wrong

The guy went and had his bloods tested and posted the results as a benefit to the community and because no one else has invested their time and money to do the same you question him??? I have no problem with D and I myself have be satisfied with his products (although ta sucks and it started to decline way before the passing of his daughter), but that doesn't mean it's dosed properly. Removing the tragedy from his life, test scores that low have every right to be called into question. You trying to discredit someone for posting bloods is coming off might schilly.... Remember what team your on or disclose the fact that you have something personally invested in Dynasty, otherwise you just look like a dick rider

You missed the part where this member despite the bloodwork posted, had changed the story surrounding the bloodwork several times....

First his OP said that he was using 500mg 2x per week, along with test ace for 4 weeks..... he cut out the test ace the monday prior to his bloodwork, he then posted bloods......

He claims he was using 1500mg of my t500 per week, and his was dissatisfied with his bloods.....however when I apologized, offered to replace, and also attempted to open a dialogue regarding the numerous reasons that his bloods were lower then he expected, I get attacked by a bunch of guys who wanna copy and paste shit from Google referring to studies done on hormone replacement doses, and refuse to even listen to any possibility other then the fact that I'm doing something wrong......

I then attempted to clarify his dose at time of bloodwork......according to infantry own original post, he was only using 1000mg of my t500 per week, not 1500mg.....in which case a 4200 score is within the norm. Agsin despite this obvious discrepancy nobody wants to even see my point of view or continue any sort of dialogue unless it's about my being wrong.....

Infantry changed his story YET AGAIN, when someone brought up the fact that deconate has a very long ester, his new claim is that he frontloaded 3000mg of my t500 in order to give ample time for the long esters to kick in. I attempted to shed light on YET ANOTHER discrepancy and YET ANOTHER story change with this matter....and again nobody cares, nobody wants to discuss that, and infantry gives zero explanation for these facts, he just keeps saying that my gear sucks and his story has not changed.....yet it obviously has,

Lastly, when I asked infantry why he was going to such great lengths to bash me in multiple threads, not only saying hes unhappy but going as far as to say my gear is junk......when he and I had never had any issues in the past and he's never had 1 complaint before and he has been a repeat happy customer, he lies YET AGAIN saying that this was his first and only order with me, and it'll be his last. However not only is this also a lie, but infantry posted a review thread on my gear in the past where he raved about my products as well as my operation in general. Another VIP on here sl1ced brought his review thread to my attention, because infantry's rave reviews on my gear was the very reason why sl1ced used my gear to start.....

So after reading this, hopefully you'll understand why members are defending me here..... I'm not saying I'm perfect by any means, but when I make mistakes I fix them and I've always taken care of any issues anyone ever had, even when those issues are not my fault. So when I've got a guy here who's caught in several lies and who's been hostile from the start, im not gonna be very inclined to play nice with this person......

Correct. And that shit for brains so called doctor, dr jim started that theory, and thats all it is. I still havent ever seen him post any FACTS to back up that claim either. He talks in medical circles about it. I use human grade test, and usually just cruise on 250mg/week all year, last time I had my levels checked they were over 1100ng/dl. I want to say they were at 1197, but I can't remember exactly. Need to find my paperwork. With his bonehead theory I should be at 2500ng/dl. LMAO! There is no way 250mg of test produces that much of a spike. If so it must be some super test I havent had the pleasure of injecting yet. But after this job I am on at work, I am getting full bloodwork done again, and ill be happy to share my results with you and everyone.

 

Regardless, does sound like some underdosed products. Hopefully you can get this resolved.

I actually just read this post.....

IM says that on 250mgs pharmacy grade test, his levels are roughly 1200.....that pretty much perfectly fits in with the call is made today where I was told the basic rules of thumb is 200mg test, gives u a 1000 level....

If you read infantry post it's incredibly misleading, I dunno why he did this, he truthfully stirred up alot of controversy over literally nothing, im extremely shocked because he's a regular customer but I guess I shouldn't be shocked because my regs are the ones who burnt me...... in any event, did not one aside from me actually read his original post? he was running 1000mg of my test 500 for 4 weeks up until his test, not 1500mg, the additional test ace he was using he stopped on monday 5 days prior to his Friday test.....so at the time of his blood test infantry was only using 1000mg of my test 500, that gave him a 4197 result,

Bigfoot I get it, you hate me.....fine, but IM is extremely well respected on here as far as I can tell you and him have no problems, he's saying that his pharmacy grade test 250 gives him a 1200 test result...... so if IM was using 1000mg of his pharm grade product, simply multiply that by 4 and that would give italin muscle a 4800 test level...... now granted infantry 4200 is a bit lower, but I think all would agree that it's well within reason based off each person's variables......does anyone not agree here? It seems like at least once a month someone is attacking me with some bullshit....and everyone is real quick to chime in and jump down on me, but each and every time the accusation shows to be bullshit and when I'm posting reasons and explanations as to why it's bullshit, suddenly no one wants to say anything...... I'm not understanding how everyone is thinking he got this test result off 1500mg when he clearly states it was 1000mg.....,

But now he's going around bashing me and changing his story saying that it wasn't 1000mg nor was it 1500mg, his new claim is he front loaded 3g of gear and did 1500mg per week and got this result.... I truthfully don't understand why every month or so I've got someone trying to bring me down.....it's fucking crazy, and it's bullshit

In any case, I'm glad I read this, I just hope all the guys who were doubting me on here will reread infantry OP and see that his blood work was in fact within range....I just dunno why he's pulling this shit, I guess he doesn't like me either lol

Twigs is giving the correct information on this subject.

He's copy and pasting Google facts in an attempt to confuse my actual point..... I never said that aromasin in itself would lower test levels, im saying when you drop your E extremely low and at the same time your trying to keep you test extremely high, there's going to be imbalance there.....

Run 1000mg test a week, for 4 weeks and get bloods done..... then add 50mg aromasin in, for 4 additional weeks or var or whatever..... the test levels from the second test will be lower..... it varies from person to person but it lowers it, thst was my point nothing more

What factors would alter the amount of exogenous testosterone administered? The problem is when people confuse endogenous and exogenous testosterone. All kinds of things can lower your endogenous testosterone levels, but the only tbing that will make a huge difference in exogenous testosterone levels is hkw much the individual is administering.

 

The claims being made that var will lower your exogenous test levels is straight false.

You can use Google.....good job...

I've had significantly diminished test levels after adding orals into the mix of my gear...... run 1000 mg test a week for 4 weeks and get your BW done, then add aromasin at 50mg eod, and var 100 MG ED into the mix for 4 weeks and re take your bloods..... your test levels will drop, I've done it and many others have done it..... oral drugs will lower your test, that's not bro science dude it's well known to anyone who uses gear...... your just googling shit and bigfoot hates me so he's obviously gonna be on your side, but your not doing anything impressive.

Well i did receive today with and extra product

Told you..... I wasn't avoiding anyone I was simply trying to get orders out

Ok so infantry, I'd like to discuss some information I've acquired since I was unable to find any hard factual evidence on line as far as a guideline for what bloodwork should show at any given test dose..... if you were able to find any legit and credible facts that have some sort of chart or diagram that spells this out please post it.....

And I'm not being a smart ass, I just literally couldn't find anything aside from a bunch of theories and bro - science as you guys say....

Reguardless of your recent bashing of me, saying I have shit gear etc. You've been ordering with me very regularly so I'm not sure where so much hostility is coming from towards me since aside from this you've never had one complaint....and yoive been using me long enough to know that if you have an issue ill address it, but we can circle back to that....

Since I was unable to retrieve any facts as far as what bloodwork should show, so my solution to satisfy my own curiosity was to consult a urologist on the matter....since youve said your on trt I'm assuming you have a urologist? Or I dunno if u just meant you were using trt doses.....

in any event before I begin, bigfoot I know you dislike me greatly and if you disbelieve what I'm about to post, simply do the same thing I did and let me know the results you get......

I called a few Local docs today, all of whom wanted me to come in for a consultation.... however I was trying to get some quick information on this issue since no one has seemed to post anything. I told a desk worker thst I was a retiring bodybuilder and I had no insurance, so I wanted to speak with a doctor prior to scheduling a visit so I could see if he could help me, and if not I'd avoid wasting my money on a visit.... I was able to get a call back from a local doc, and I basically led the conversation onto test levels and trt, etc....I told the doc that I was no longer going to bodybuild but I was scared to stop gear and didn't know what to expect.....he explained that treatments are different from one person to the next depending on age, and history and the reason for trt......

he said I'd obviously be a candidate for test injections, he wouldn't use the initial methods they typically start with such as pills or andrgel......

I acted interested and my next questions were about how much test I'd be prescribed and what results I could expect from it......the way he explained it to me was a typical rule of thumb they go buy is 200mg of test a week will yield a 1000 test level.... ( obviously this will vary from person to person ) but this is my first time getting an actual number that didn't involve some sort of 10x, or 7x theory.....

My following questions I was simply acting curious, I said " Ive always used gear but never really paid much thought to bloods, so I've used 5000, 6000, 7000 mgs a week, would thst mean my levels would have been 30,000 or more" He said no, the more test you use the further apart the increments spread out, and these numbers aren't etched in stone, the fact that bodybuilders want to keep there estrogen low would make such crazy numbers difficult to achieve, the lower you keep your estrogen the more difficult it would be to achieve that type of test level, that was my point previously regarding the aromasin usesge, I wasn't saying AI itself reduces test, I was saying that the estrogen suppression at high test doses can begin to cause difficulty for the test to raise as high as you'd expect..... essentially meaning that just because 200mg gets you to 1000 that doesn't necessarily mean that you can follow that chart all the way up indefinitely......

Anyway the point of what I'm getting at is I spoke with a doctor on the matter ( anyone who does not believe me, im sure you can do the same thing I did and we can compare the results) .....now initially I read that you were using 1500mg a week, for 4 weeks and got a 4190 blood, that would be low considering it should be closers to 7000 using this doctors guidelines..... but after re reading your post, you said u were only using 1000mg per week, you only added that additional 500mgs shot in right before the bloods which is not enough time for it to take effect..... and since you were running 1000mg test a week not 1500, the guidelines I recieved say you should be around 5000, much closer to the 4190 number.....and since you were suppressing estrogen and given the possibility of SHBG elevations causing a drop in test levels, I don't see how you are really THAT shocked or upset about your numbers brother....... the reason I asked if u had a trt doc was because I wanted to see what guidelines you were drawing your expectations from? Because I'm not trying to dispute your feelings or argue, im just trying to see why you're so pissed to bash me the way you have been? Does your doctor have different guidelines?

Lastly brother, this is what is really bothering me about all this..... from the moment you made a complaint I have apologized for it.....I have agreed to replace anything in question..... the only reason I'm digging into this for facts is simply so I know why the issue occurred, and im admitting thst reguardless of who mailed the item to you it's still my responsibility, never once have it tried to get out of that fact either.....if i had sent it directly id chalk it up as a fuckup on my part..... but seeing as how yoir item was sent by a guy I had caught stealing from me, my point was trying to see if he had made an honest mistake or was it done intentionally.... or after more thought and information collection were your bloodwork expectations simply too high and it's just a mistake on your part?? I don't think that my attempting to figure this out is wrong of me, in fact I think it's the responsibility of me to do just that. And on top of that, I honestly never really had a guideline for what test levels should be when using test only..... so truthfully i didn't wanna just replace it based off a possible inflated bloodwirk expectation..... then I'd have everyone going around with this same inflated expectation and everyone would be unhappy due to inflated expectations....... that was my reasoning for trying to figure this out.....

But onto the part that's upsetting me bro.... I said to you that if you are unhappy and this product is sub par I'd replace it, that's what a man does when he does something wrong or when he has a responsibility he addresses it, and moves on..... the same expectations fall upon you as well brother do they not? What I'm saying is, that if it turns out that you simply had too high expectations for bloods and you maybe jumped the gun, don't you agree that you should say " you know what, mybad man I'm thinking that my post was premature and perhaps my levels are a bit low but thry are within reason....." again you know me and my style, even if you did make a mistake in calculating the expected blood result and you wanted a higher level, I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU WHATEVER YOU WANTED to satisfy your goal....and I STILL WILL DO THAT.... my frustration lies in the way you are now changing your story up and are now bashing and trashing me, now that yoir bloods seem to be somewhat within range and after I gave a few reasons for the possible lower score, and a few guys are seeing that you're complaints may not be completely warranted..... instead of just sticking to your guns and saying something along the lines of...... " well in my opinion thryre low and im unhappy with the product..." instead of doing that you are now changing up your story, you are now going around telling people that you frontloaded 3000mgs of test 4 weeks ago, and contrary to your OWN ORIGINAL POST.....in your first post where YOU stated that YOU ran 1000mg a week for 4 weeks... prior to the test....that was your claim from the start brother but now you've waaaaaay changed that up...... it seems as though there may be no legit complaint on your part, you are now changing your story in an effort to bash or discredit me or perhaps not to bash me but maybe simply just to not admit you were premature in your complaint..... in any event I've been doing everything possible to attempt to get the issue resolved for you because I want all customers happy.... but now that more things are coming to light you are now claiming that you frontloaded 3g of test 4 weeks ago, and have been using 1500mg a week for these 4 weeks... you were very detailed in your original post man, if u had in fact frontloaded 3g of gear and u were using 1500 mg a week you would have undoubtedly mentioned that in full.....you did not ever once state that, so brother, you are telling people a complete and total fabrication in an effort to discredit me when I've literally spent this entire day wracking my brain and feeling guilty as fuck that you were possibly cheated, what the fuck dude?? Seriously what's your deal now? Why have you altered and increased your alleged pre test dose by 5000mgs?? Can u please answer that? Explain why u are now telling guys that you frontloaded 3g of t500 and then used 1500mg a week up until your test when that's a lie, a complete lie dude...... why are u going around doing that? What's your angle? Just to make me look like shit? Or what is it?

That's what I thought, makes sense. If you lower your estrogen with an ai, your body will raise test to try and convert some to estrogen. It's probably different when you're shut down, since you have no test to increase to begin with.

 

Like I said, it would've been easier to just make things right, and not keep digging his own grave.

Again.....you must not know much about me brother, I take care of any and all issues my guys have always and usually don't even question it.

Guys say thry got broken bottles, I resend without asking for pics.....

I've had guys actually throw there orals in the trash because thry didn't look thru their pack thoroughly enough and I replace it......

I've had guys who moved during there order process, and that caused them to not receive their order, no fault of mine but this has happened a few times and I still re sent.....

I've had guys who have been mid prep, and got burnt by another source left high and dry, and I've hooked up people in that situation with gear at literally next to nothing.....

The list of things I do to ensure my customers are happy can go on forever...... I'm not "digging my own grave " as you say..... if u go back to my original reply, I said I was incredibly sorry for infantry dissatisfaction and I'd have no problem fixing it..... once again, I have NEVER had any negative feedback regarding potency so I'm just trying to figure out where the issue originated from...... if you think that's wrong then I dunno what u want me to tell, u

And I don't mean to be a dick about it, maybe you just miss spoke. But like you said it's about $2 of raws, so just make it right for the guys who felt wronged.

Sorry if that sounded confusing.....

Npp can cause elevated test levels in some people, the woman I was referring to was taking npp and grew concerned that her test levels were around 600, when she was running no test...... my point was simply that there are instances were people have attacked me brutally over information that they later realized was incorrect.

I am more then willing to make things right bro, that be simple to do, but is it wrong for me to first attempt to determine the actual reason for the concern? I was unable to find ANY hard facts on test level guidelines I found a bunch of theories all of which didn't line up with one another..... I did find out some interesting information thst I'm going to post, and you guys can verify it in your own way if you want.....

Theres lots of talk about certain compounds lowering test levels. All compounds will lower endogenous test levels, but they will not lower exogenous test levels. For this to happen the compound would have to somehow make the exogenous testosterone not biologically available.

 

There has also been a claim that shbg could be the reason for a lower total testosterone number. This is also completely wrong. Shbg binds to the testosterone so the body cant put it to use. Only free test is utilized by the body. So shbg will lower your free test numbers, but has zero affect on total testosterone score.

 

Aromasin would also lead to higher test scores not lower. Its killing the aromatase enzyme so less testosterone will be converted to estrogen. Which would lead to higher test scores. Aromasin also raises endogenous test levels by as much as 70%, this compound isn't going to lower exogenous test numbers.

 

I didn't qoute where theese assumptions came from, because the posts were far to long. I might be missing some claims, but these reasons for lower test scores just dont carry any weight.

You took my statement about using too much aromasin and twisted it and convoluted it brother, if you read my post more closely I did not say that aromasin itself lowers testosterone levels I said nothing even near that..... you are doing nothing more then simply googling the basic way aromasin works and for whatever reason you are trying to make me look like I'm lying or deflecting the issue by acting like I'm lying which I am not, nor was I ever..... I immediately offered to replace whatever items he wanted, for a few reasons..... obviously he's unhappy so if you knew anything about me at all I pretty much replace shit all the time even when I don't have too......

The reason I'm trying to figure out why the levels were low is because during this short time I was using a remailer, and I did catch him stealing from me, and my thought was that it was certainly possible that infantry was sent maybe sust or enth or cyp as opposed to t500 either by mistake or perhaps on purpose, seeing how the location his order was sent from is indeed the guy I had trust issues with..... so my reasons for attempting to figure out the cause of the issue is simply so I know what occurred, so he knows what occurred and I can keep on watch for any possible new complaints that may be coming in from guys who recieved items from that same location....... however on top of that, I'm also trying to verify that there was an issue to start with, because frankly I was unable to find any fact based data on what blood work should yield based off test doses, so at the time of my post I was simply assuming that infantry did receive a low result based off his word alone my point was trying to figure out why....... however my opinion has changed a bit due to some information I've acquired today, I'm gonna post that information also..... so if you have anything to add thst isn't a copy and paste from Google trying to trash me feel free to chime in, but try to read the entire post in detail so you don't end up looking like a dum ass again by " correcting me " on my statement that you didn't fully read.....

As far as SHBG goes..... again I dunno if yoir trying to sound smart because you googled " SHBG" and copied what u read.... but all you did was Re state what I had already suggested..... I was simply suggesting that an shbg would have been beneficial for clarity in this instance since elevated SHBG will lower free test, and aren't the free test levels the ones we are discussing??

Now to try to explain in more detail what I meant since you are trying to suggest that I said aromasin lowers testosterone...... your body has a natural T to E balance, this is a true factual statement dude..... when you are running test and also suppressing estrogen, by over suppressing the estrogen that can in turn negatively impact the expected test levels..... this is not something I'm making up, nor is it something I'm copy and pasting from Google like you did. Since you are not as smart as you think you are ill try to break it down more simply because apparently you couldn't read well enough to comprehend my original suggestion.

Now im just using these numbers as a reference point, dont try to correct them using a calculator and acting smart.....

If you are running testosterone at 1000mg per week, and you are taking no aromasin, therefore your estrogen is spiking along with your testosterone, your test levels will reach 3000 ( again just an example number ) and your estrogen will increase as well......

However if you are running 1000mg of test a week, and you add in 50mg aromasin EOD, your estrogen will be suppressed, this suppression itself can and does cause the test levels not to reach the 3000 mark that they reached when no aromasin was used.......

That was the point for my statement regarding that the over use of any anti E will cause the test levels not to elevate to the level you'd expect them to reach if you were using the proper amount of anti E.....

I'm not going to argue this topic with you, if you disagree then that's fine but I've double checked on this fact prior to posting it so I don't care what you say.

I LOL-ed at this. IDK if you've ever watched rick and morty.

 

That aside. I will take 1 persons scientific data over 10 people saying "yea i felt great it must be great." It's fool hearty not to. IDK why your so strongly opposed to these accusations. Like no one has ever gotten bad batches before.

 

 

 

It's crazy to see someone get this upset with an accusation that they themselves may be getting screwed. My reaction would be way more to the tune of give me more data at least. Way less NO WAY Lier.

 

 

 

This doesnt make sense to me. I like this supported in some way. Wouldnt another compound cause for more free test? Wouldnt an AI boost test #s by keeping it from converting to estro? No offence, not trying to call you out but i'd like this one cleared up. At least so i can learn something.

No both those things are untrue.....

Yoir body has a natural T to E balance and your body wants to keep that balance in place. The reason your estrogen skyrockets when u use test is the body's response to keep its natural T to E ratio in check..... if your test level is 5000 yoir body wants the E to be like 750 or 800......so when u take things to lower the E, the blood test levels will not elevate nearly as much as they would have if E was let go, for this reason suppressing the E too much, especially with something as strong as aromasin will greatly diminish test levels.....

Take var, and then go get your test levels measured.....var lowers test because var mimics test, however it is not testosterone....so it'll shut your body's test down without adding any in return...hence the reason why var without test causes dick issues

If that is true then my bad, but going off of other tests that seems low as I have seen people on 250 with similar scores.

250mgs on straight test, yes your level should be 1500 or so.....

Var always reduces test levels in the blood.....AI especially aromasin reduces test levels in the blood....and long term AAS useage elevates SHBG which cripples blood test levels.....

All these things need to be considered

I'm willing to immediately replace everything simply because I had an issue with that mailer and I want infantry happy, not necessarily because I think he was cheated for sure

Don't worry about me. Im fine. We are fine. All your stuff has been on point for me. I have a few bros taken the tri tren blend and loving it. That will be next after this cruise.

No no brother I appreciate your honest input..... I just dislike how certain guys see a low number and the first thing they think is " OMG A SCAM, HE MUST HAVE REALLY NEEDED THAT EXTRA 2$ THAT RAW COSTED HIM...." lol

Your levels were obviously effected by your additional items which is to be expected.....

Again I like infantry too, I appreciate his concern, however I hope he will get his shbg done and see that is probably the cause for the low number......I'll even pay for it, I'll send infantry the money directly just to see if that's the cause....or if it's the product, either way we will know

maybe i should post more? but i have never really gone more than a few days without contact from D, i think the longest was like 6-7 days (and it only happened like twice within 1 year?) ....I speak with D occasionally through different avenues, far more than the times he logs in to post replies to questions/threads/etc i believe and i still put my trust in this dude. Shit works for me, i've had bloodwork done and everything is much better than other sources i've used on this board.

Thank u for posting.....the issue was since I was limited on time I decided to focus on getting orders out instead of logging in, and my absence caused some concern despite the fact that guys are still getting orders as we speak......but i should have logged in i suppose

And as far as bloods go, I recall you telling me that u were pleased with your bloods, as are most guys who know what type of numbers to expect.

It's always something on here lol

I edited after Re reading,..... yes 1300 is low, if you were strictly using 700mg test....

However var ALWAYS lowers test, npp can lower it, and AI lowers it.... so taking those 3 things into consideration your score is what u should have expected.....

The only real way to get a real baseline score if you guys are that concerned is to do test only, without any AI and measure your shbg along with your bloodwork in order to rule out that being the cause of the lowered level.....

Again I'm not backing out of responsibility for anything, however these numbers are fully explainable given the circumstances......

Infantry numbers shouldn't be that low given he's running test only, but the fact thst he's over using AI and there's no SHBG test level on his chart those 2 things needs to be taken into consideration.

Although I will replace these, I bet if infantry got his shbg done, it be very high......using proviron would likely get his levels where he expected them to be

That's another low score.

The fact that he had 1300 result was likely due to var and AIR both of which are well known to lower test levels..... running 700 test a week with var and aromasin that's right where your level should be

how many are being tested? If someone has had bloods done recently on his stuff please step forward and share.

I dont think allot of us take ON bloods when off bloods are more useful health wise.

 

Also I know if it's working but not how much its working. Just because you are on doesnt mean your getting your moneys worth. As many of here have said people grow off less then they think they need. Add to the a psychosomatic effect. If your hitting it harder in the gym and your levels are higher youll feel like your on. Does that mean its dosed correctly? No. If evidence comes out a source MAY be shorting customers its our duty as a community to press the source until answers come out. Thats the whole point of these communities. The sites that go out of their way to protect sources in these situations on the very sites we talk shit about and hate on for that very reason. We do ourselves a disservice as a community to not explore bad blood work.

 

Also, I do get busy with life we all do.

However, I took a customer call Saturday evening while hammered at a st. patricks festivity. Why? cause i get paid to do it. Its my business. When i once had business dealings like this i was always available for my customers especially when there was issues. Thats the nature of the business.

People have had bloods done in the past and we're very happy with the numbers....

People on here, vips also, have spot tested things like var and primo and halo and they've never came back as anything but exactly right.....

This is LITERALLY the first time this has happened, im agreeing that one time is too many and I'm more then willing to rectify it....however Im also trying to understand and get to the actual reason for the low number......what are the facts?

If u recall recently a woman claimed I sold her test labeled as npp because her test levels were elevated, prior to realizing that npp can elevate blood test levels so her accusation was debunked.....

Another guy claimed my tren was no good because after 8 weeks on the same dose husband gains slowed down.....never realizing that your gains will always slow down....

Another guy claimed he tested my var and cane back no good, however he was testing the ora sweet prior to mixing the var raw into it.....

Now a claim is made that on 1500mg test a week a 4100 test level was reached....however after re-reading his initial statement, and error was alreasy made he was only actually using 1000mg of my test a week for 4 weeks prior to the bloodwork result, not 1500mg per week, ok....that cuts HIS claim almost literally in half, the same way you are stating about buying 1lb of meat and receiving 1/2 lb....well it's no different for him either, he posts as if he had a full run at 1500mg a week with VERY long esters to reach this result, however he only 2 days prior to bloods did that 3rd shot if t500.....that is not nearly enough time for that drug to take effect, so his dose was 1000mg per week for 4 weeks.....

so back to the original statement and my subsequent defense.....usimg 1000mg test a week combined with overuse of anti - E ( which he more then doubled the recommended dose of aromasin ) then resulting in a 4100 test level is not out of the realm of possibilities. It is still on the low side, yes, but if he has elevated SHBG levels which almost always occurs when long term using ( and he's not taking proviron ) that could indeed entirely account for such a number......

And no, I'm not saying infantry is lying, im sure he's being truthful but they're are varying possible reasons for this result if 4100 when the dose was only 1000mg per week.....if this product was sent by me directly I'd be arguing these points and defending my product more vigorously because I know what i produce so I wouldn't just accept an accusation to smooth over a situation, the fact that this was the only time i used a mailer and I immediately had some issues with this mailer who sent him this package is the reason I'm willing to go on infantry side here and assume he was short changed and obviously send him whatever he wants. However taking ALL facts into consideration it's entirely possible that infantry did receive accurate t500, and extenuating variables such as his overuse of aromasin and possibly elevated SHBG levels could certainly provide a 4100 test count when using 100mg per week...... when my shbg levels skyrocket my test levels barely raise at all, SHBG stands for sex hormone binding globulin, and it does exactly what the name suggests, it's binds the sex hormone which is testosterone yielding low levels.......what id like infantry to do is run some proviron for 2 - 3 weeks and cut his aromasin to 25 mg eod, and continue this t500 AND THEN get his bloods done, that'll take all possible variables out of the equation......

In the meantime I'm still going to fully replace everything in question, and even if my hunch does turn out to be correct he can keep all the replacement items. I simply wish to know what truly occurred, because I thought i had resolved all the issues I had with this particular mailer, and I'd just like the complete truth aired out instead of guys just taking jabs without listening to reason. Does that not seem fair?

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Some of you guys might have to save this to your computers to zoom in. I couldn't get this shit to upload on a word document so I screen shot the results and uploaded them.

 

I've been using his Test Ace 3x week at 150mg to equal 450mg/wk and have been using his T500 2x a week for the past month or so. Pinned 100mg of his Test Ace on Monday and pinned 3cc's of his T500 on Wednesday night due to the fact that test levels peak around 24-48 hours after injection and Ill be using 1500 mg a week of his T500 for the duration of my blast. Blood pulled on Friday morning. The reasoning I did my entire week shot in one night is I was getting a rough estimate of exactly how much 1500mg of his test would equal to ng per dl in my blood.

 

Estradiol is 38.9 on 50mg 3x a week of his aromasin

Test levels are 4197.4 on 1500 mg/wk. Nothing against Dynasty before someone jumps on my ass for this, but these were not exactly the results I was hoping for if you figure out the low amount or quality of test in these vials.

I'm not backpedaling here bro, your bloods are still a little bit low..... but again your posts are misleading here dude, after reading reading this you have been using only 2ml of my t500 per week, for the past 4 weeks...... along with 3 ace a week....

You dropped the ace on monday so it was out of your system by your Friday bloodwork......

So your statement that you acquired a 4100 bloodwork on 1500mg of t500 is not true, you only used 1000mg of my t500 for prior 4 weeks, despite the fact that you added in an additional 500mgs for a total of 1500mg on Wed prior to bloods is irrevelevant, my t500 is extremely long acting so even if u had done the same thing but had injected 10ml on wedsday and gotten yoir bloods done on Friday that still wouldn't give you an enhanced test level brother...... you'll need to run a full 1500 a week for a additional 4 weeks at least in order for the blood levels in you to rise to the level your expecting......

Also, you are running 50mg aromasin EOD, that is far to much for the low amount of test you are using...... at the time of your blood work, you only had 4 weeks of my t500 in your system, and on top of that you are doing double the dose of aromasin that you should be using. It's well known that taking too much anti E canine fact lower the amount of test levels in the blood brother........

Now like I said, I did have an issue with that mailer I used..... I have alerted the mods in great detail as to what went down, so I'm certainly not saying that it's impossible for you to have gotten short changed......however what I am saying is that a 4100 test level when your using 1000mg test a week ( not 1500 because you only added that additional shot in 2 days prior ) combined with the overuse of aromasin by double the dose...... now brother, yoir numbers are starting to look a bit more within the realm of normality. They're still low, don't get me wrong but taking everything into consideration it's not as significant as initially implied when u said 1500mg......yoir talking about a 35% difference in dose here brother..... if u were running the full 1500mg for 6 - 8 weeks and you were using the proper dose of aromasin and THEN u came up with that number, that's a much different story......

I'm still taking full responsibility, and im admitting it's lower then it should be brother....but just not as crazy as it originally souded.....and if it was truly the t500 I provide even 1000mg should have given you more then what u got....I dunno how to say this without passing the buck bud but you know where u sent funds and u know where the pack came from and it was probably packed in a manner that is not normal for me..... you've used me for a long time, and you've never had 1 complaint.... . And as I broke down the math, it's literally pennies and I mean PENNIES to short change you on this..... not worth it to me, I make plenty of money on here without needing to steal 1.80$ in product to underdose t500, it would be retarded on my part.......i literally only used him for a very short time, and the fact that your pack was from him obviously leads me to easily deduce what occurred.....

I know im repeating myself, but again it's my fault for trusting someone else......immediately never did it before and should not have and will never agsin......and all I can do is correct it, and I assure you that from here on out everything will be sent by me and only me like it should have been...... if you decline to want to use me in the future I understand that as well and hopefully we have no hard feelings but reguardless I'm still going to fix this problem.

I get why you don't shit where you eat because Ive been around awhile. I was just stating that someone else had an issue and dynasty said he drove to his resellers house in a day to make sure nothing weird was going on with said reseller which would've been impossible to make that drive in a day. Idk how many dynasty has or if it's just one. Bottom line either his reseller is underdosing gear and keeping some for himself or something else is happening.

I have never claimed to drive to my Re-mailers house to check anything out brother..... I've never used a remailer up until that particular month when everything went to shit, aside from that I've always done everything on my own....

Occasionally I've has guys send out fully finished packages because my schedule didn't allow me to ship, however I have never had an issue with any of my products up until this point, and my remailer certainly doesn't know who I am....

Are you referring to the lab who's halo came back bunk from ecstasydata.org? That person open posted that he described driving to the mailers house to confront him about a possible shadiness......however found no evidence of anything shady. I'm not sure why you are confusing the 2 of us my friend but I've never had any issues with product up until this very moment and this is the exact reason why I never wanted to use a mailer because I knew some bullshit like this was bound to happen.

In any event brother, im sorry once again....and I understand your aggravation, and while there is no set in stone rule of thumb number for what a person's test level should be on any given dose, there is a range that it should be in, and your below it. I do also think that some guys expect insane numbers from moderate doses, remember that the more test you inject the less impact it'll have, so for instance if 400mg brings you to 4000, that doesn't mean 800 will bring up to 8000, and 1 1200mg will get you to 12000, and 2400mg will get you to 24,000..... it doesn't work that way, and many guys expect it to, you are not one of those guys infantry I'm just making a point that these " rules " about what levels should be vary greatly from person to person, and on top of that I think some guys don't take other testosterone lowering factors into consideration such as genetics, advanced age and other products their using ....... but seeing as how you were only on test and youve gotten bloods done before and know your numbers, you should certainly be higher then where u are, im simply making a point that different people will achieve different blood results from the same product Just the same as different people experience different physical results from using the same products and doses...... so I'll do whatever needs to be done to make u satisfied with the result......

I'm not sure yoir full order but if u ordered 10 t500, and you no longer trust the dosing on it then I'll send u 20 test sustanon or cyp, and you can just double your volume.

I second this, good post.

 

You see folks this is why you don't dick ride sources. You end up looking like an idiot when the source goes bad. You can't have it both ways and shill for a source ( sorry apex but you are man ) then once they go bad ( not saying Dynasty has yet ) continue on like it never happened. Your reputation ends up ruined.

 

What will Dynasty's excuse be this time, " sick daughter " again? " Bad labels " and if anyone really bought that one you're stupid as hell. Maybe he got attacked by a couple of Ninjas?

My daughter is actually extremely sick dude...... i never used her illness as an excuse to screw anyone over, when she fell ill I immediately posted up that I was closing up shop stating that the health my my daughter was the reason for the abrupt close up..... if u read back thru my thread I posted in big bold letters " IF YOU HAVE NOT SENT PAYMENT PLEASE DO NOT SEND, I'M GOING TO GET ALL CURRENT ORDERS OUT BUT CANNOT ACCEPT ANY MORE....." the only reason i mentioned the sickness Was because I wanted prayer, it wasn't because I was trying to scam or cheat anyone, how could that be when I posted up "; DON'T SEND ME MONEY "...... so what would be my motivation to lie about that dude? I didn't owe anyone anything, I wasn't doing anything but asking for prayer.

You make it seem like I took tons of orders, then I vanished without a trace for weeks, and upon my return I said my kid got sick.....sorry. yes if that were the situation I could certainly see you making the assumption that I was lying about it, however it's not......she had an emergency situation where in which I had to abruptly close however that closing did not effect anyone order since I stopped collecting money when it happened....... also when my kid had a planned surgery procedures that was not an emergency I posted up WEEKS IN ADVANCE that I was closing up may 31st for her surgery and all orders would be shipped prior to my closing....... the only orders that did not get shipped during that time where the few guys who sent payment after I closed, and they were taken care of.....

I've been dealing with my daughters illness her entire life..... and she's only gotten progressively worse, and dude you have no fucking idea what it's like to deal with what I deal with day in and day out...... I work a full time job, I care for a very very sick child and my services on here are good the majority of the time in spite of all that, so all things considered I think i do pretty good. If u don't like me bro, fine....you think I'm CF fine.....you out wanna jump on me the moment I have a bump in the road fine....... but talking about my kid like it's a fucking joke, that's low even for you bro..... I dunno if u have kids or not, but if you do have one, imagine him / her bedridden unable to do much of anything as he / she basically waits to fucking die and you are powerless to stop it, then you still gotta go to work and still go thru your days, the medical bills crush you and you start sourcimg on line to help.... and then you've got some little asshole on the board mocking your child's sickness. You gotta think before you speak brother, because seriously man, that wasn't even called for.

He and I live on opposite sides of the country, I offered to disconnect my VPN and log in and CF would log in simultaneously, seeing that we were both logged in on opposite sides of the country I thought would end the rumor, but no one took me up on it.

Also, given CF'S previous popularity wouldn't it have made more sense for him to just say " hey guys, I'm opening my own lab...." and he immediately would have been the most popular lab on here..... for CF to create a secondary lab name to source under would have done nothing but hurt his sales lol it makes zero sense.....

He's got his own personal reasons for why he no longer see posts..... if you dont believe it then don't buy from me, no skin off my nose