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You can still get these pro hormones from the UK. Methylstenbolone is one of the best orals ever. If you look for UK sites you can still find what your looking for.

On 7/10/2020 at 10:59 PM, M0NSTAR said:

Yea but doesn’t test prop and phynolprop give some people irritation like lumps ?

Some people have problems with prop, but i haven't heard of anyone having problems with phenylpropionate.

Some people prefer the oil because its easier to inject unless the person brewing uses micronized raws. If making base compounds into oils it usually takes a lot of solvents to get them to hold, and this is a reason some use suspensions. They dont want to use super solvents like guaicol. If the person brewing does it right i prefer suspensions, they seem to work better.

The only difference is oil based products are solutions, and the water based products are suspensions. 

18 hours ago, BigM said:

thanks brother! it held,  i made it at 250, and no problem... 

You can push it to 300, but 250 is about perfect with cyp. Im sure you can get cyp to hold at higher concentrations using super solvents, but it would be an experiment. I have pushed some concentrations, but rarely do it anymore.

All will be slightly different. Decca is like test E, you can go pretty high. I have seen decca over 600mg/ml, you will need to learn the propper solvents to acchieve this. Most short esters will hold at 100mg/ml no problem. Long esters should hold at 200mg/ml no problem. Eq can be brewed as high as you want, it a liquid raw. I wouldn't go any higher than 600mg/ml otherwise it will be very thick.

On 7/2/2020 at 11:17 AM, BigM said:

it was for cyp,  i 2%/20%

 

Test cyp is your problem, it wont hold at 400mg/ml. 250-300 is generally the max. If you used some super solvents you might get 400 to work. Your best bet is to make 50 vials out of what you have cutting the concentration down to 200mg per ml.

15 hours ago, NavyChief said:

Gents I wish I could just post up some examples but that is not something I have copies of.  If you have access to verifiable tests that were completely by both, jano and an accredited lab, by all means post up as well.   I have no ill will as I have used jano in the past and had others send items there for testing. But with the things I have come to learn as well, until any of those issues are taken care of and solid, I wont be using or recommending his service. 

I personally wouldnt use his services right now either, i just thought you might have access to the testing. I really wish someone would come in and take his place, and he would be gone. The community could use someone offering these tests at an affordable price. Testing needs to become standard for all ugls. Thanks for the clarification Navy.

How much BA, BB? What ester of test did you use? 

4 hours ago, Nerve said:

 

I'm wondering about this too.  From what I heard, he has received unknown samples & tested them with results that were the same as another laboratory.

This is what i have seen. If i were the one paying to test samples i would send them to lab4tox.

On 6/22/2020 at 5:09 AM, NavyChief said:

Jano has had items sent to him and to a credited lab at the same time. The results returned were NOT the same. That's an issue.  

When did this happen? Im not a fan of jano or a hater, but the only time i saw him compared against another lab the results were acceptable. It would be nice for a legitimate well priced lab testing service to become available, that way jano wouldnt even be considered.

T400 really shouldnt be a problem to get it to hold with 2/20. Once you have brewed your product there is no reason to put it in the oven after. What ester of test did you use?

21 hours ago, gms585 said:

Normally base products like test base or tren base has that. Its so potent it makes your sweat smell like it after pining sometimes. IDK if sust does also but I imagine it may. Never been a sust person. 

Its some chemical I forget the name that allows the non ester hormones to stay suspended in oil. 

Its guaicol, and it shouldn't be necessary for sust. You should be able to use EO to get sust to hold as high as possible. Maybe if your pushing the limits like over 500mg/ml you could try guaicol. I have brewed with it before, and now i will try to never use it again. If i have to i will not go over 3%.

Im going to brew some injectable dbol/drol at 25/25. I think all i will need is BA, BB, and EO to get it done.

I have always used whatman until recently when I couldn't get them anywhwere, and i have had zero issues with the finished product.

If it has a real pungent chemical smell its probably guiacol. The odd thing is sust shouldnt require any guiacol to hold. Its generally used for pre workout mixes, oral orals made for injection. Its the only chemical that should have a smell. EO doesn't smell, and BA/BB both have a slight smell.

8 hours ago, bigsport said:

I could be wrong but hasn’t Jano been proven to BS already? Just some dude collecting samples and creating a lab report in order to con people out of cash and gear... I know I have seen reports on gear he supposedly tested meanwhile the gear pack was returned to the sender by the post office without Jano realizing the sender got the pack back unopened. So Jano issued a report without ever receiving the pack.. Pretty clever scam since no one can prove or disprove he has the equipment and means to perform the testing... One of the many reasons I stick to human grade gear. 

He has had some problems, but i have also seen the same products tested by 2 labs. The results came back almost identical. I have been purchasing some pharma products along with brewing my own, but I still use 1 ugl at the moment. I have good connections for human grade products, but sometimes getting counterfeit is a worry. It hasnt happened to me yet, but all of a sudden a lot of human grade gear out of the middle east is popping up everywhere. I recently purchased a bunch of iran homrone test e.

The sad things is a lot of labs are like this. I buy from some labs, but the more bad reports i see the more i want to go to brewing my own exclusively. Im waiting on a lot of raws, and will probably purchase more so i can use my own products exclusively.

I have finished oils for at least 5 years, and raws on the way that should cover 5-10 more years.

 

Yes I recently learned this might have a lot to do with benzyl benzonate level. 15% or higher BB crasheing is not likely to occur. I recently tried to crash some test prop and nothing went and got bloods and I was over 2000 test level so your right crash has its limitations

Some products are more stable than others. I have had some products crash in 50 degree weather, and some that just wont crash. Some products will only crash partially.

 

Yes that seems to be the average talk about this type of test. A lil advice if its just test throw it in the fridge and crash it you youve been here a while you probably know what a gram of test crystals looks like. The more exotics I agree just send em out if there is serious question. But chances are the cheap test powder has not been substituted for something more expensive. Anything is possible but if you can crash your Test......id bet its safe to say its test

This is not a good way to test any product. Some products will crash in the cold and some products will freeze solid without crashing. When a product crashes not all the hormone falls out of solution. I have had watson test cyp from walgreens crash in the low 50s, and other vials you could freeze without crashing.

Thanks for the info geogroup, the board is very small, and im not sure if the admin knows. I sent him a message with the link you posted earlier. If it is the same guy, he needs to be removed. If i ran the board i would ban him regardless just to be safe, but im not sure what will happen.

Good info geo, did noble sell a lot of serostim? I also see tone still around on a private board, a few members here are members there. Im wondering he is there as part of his deal.

Im sorry to hear what happened to your family. What your saying is so true, i lost my best friend the day after my birthday in 2010. This person was more like a brother to me, and something broke inside me that will never be whole again. I never told him i loved him, and its something i regret. That really showed me never take anything for granted. Condolences to you and your family.

Actually testP is short ester based test, its require short time for activating in body and remain max 2 days in body

its effect is instant and long lasting muscle growth.

Water retention is not in test p cycle so muscle get proper shape in cycle.

also its capability to break down microscopic tissue in muscle so muscle became bigger and produce high strength for weight lifting.

testP increase nitrogen retention so protein carry capacity increase so muscle get fast recover and due to high metabolism fat reduces.

so testp actually help me for cutting

You never go full retard!!!

I wish more people carried test phenylpropionate. Just glad my current source does have it, he also uses it in his cut mix and he only doses each at 50mg. 50 tpp, 50 tren a, and 50 mast p.