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I run 240-250mg/week of deca with my TRT (just depends on if I have 300mg/mL or 250mg/mL concentration deca).

 

But I will echo what others said...TRT is TRT. If you start adding stuff I wouldn't call it "true" TRT anymore. 100-200mg/week to put you in the normal range...maybe just a touch more to put you slightly above the top end of normal, but not much more than that. I really stress the slightly.

How's your labs with addition of 250 deca? How's the E2? U need an AI?

I found spectrum has it but it's 375 a vial and plenty of hopes to jump through...

I think defy medical? Shits hard to find...

Long story but I actually ordered igf1. They sent me sermorelin. I called then they said they made a mistake and told me they would send me nandrolone in its place. Weeks went by. I asked them where it was 3 times, each time they said it was sent, but they never gave me a tracking number. I called again and the rep said I nevered ordered nandrolone and I should "be more than happy with sermorelin"... I said I never ordered it and they promised me the nandrolone. He said he never promised anything, that I was trying to "confuse him to get free stuff"... on and on. He said he was going to pay for the nandrolone, ship it then we be done. It's been over a month and nothing. I brought it up again and they banned me.

Yes that’s exactly trt means. So “adding” something would be considered a cycle. Imo.

 

150-200mg Test that’s all that’s needed. But hey whatever makes you guys happy.

 

 

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It's a blast during trt. Plain old trt by itself is a little boring at times ;).

Anyone else get it through hrt clinic? I get mine through one but they messed up an order and when I asked them about it, they banned me.

I also used spectrum in the past but it was 375 a vial! F that.

On trt currently but want an extra kick here and there. Some of the options I can get via my hrt clinic are oxandrolone, nandrolone and hgh (way too expensive). Concerns are overal health, i.e. Cholesterol etc, and nothing to harsh on hair (very mild loss currently).

My thoughts was 6 week cycles of oxandrolone and hope it doesn't wreck my hdl vs low dose nandrolone like 300 x 16 weeks...

Love to add primo but I can get legit deca and var... thoughts?

Thanks guys

For what it's worth, I do 26 mg SQ every 3 days, TT is 550-600, E2 21, no AI

USA Rx var is only avail in 2.5mg and 10mg tablets. Made by PAR, Upsher Smith, Sandoz and American Health. If you're paying $8 per tab you're over paying by quite a bit, they should be less.

Its also available 50 mg, from a hrt compounding pharmacy

My hrt clinic has it, tried them for a while and didn't notice shit...

Oxandrolone is pretty easy to get from a us pharmacy... just expect to pay a ton (8-12 dollars for a 50 mg cap)

There are plenty of actual medical studies done on this.

If you want the short broke down version, here it is; NO, it's not more beneficial for the system to come off for any period of time at all, if the subject is 30 yrs old or older.

 

Whether or not it sounds good or not is irrelevant.

To argue the point otherwise, post up actual studies showing this, as I believe you will be able to find some, I have. On the other hand, validating my statement, I have again reviewed multiple studies indicating the benefit is to maintain a more constant serum level throughout your life. The roller coaster ride of on and off is contrabeneficial and will create more of a HPT feedback fluctuation in serum levels, both bioavailable and free testosterone levels.

 

Real deal, best over all health for a 30 plus yr old is 500ng/dl or so. To make this even more controversial for you all, at 40 it needs to be slightly higher for same health benefits and at age 50 plus, a slightly higher level yet is required. Simple terms, your 30, you don't need as much test or levels as high as a 50yr old to maintain best health benefit.

 

Take the trt and enjoy, that's not just my opinion, but supported by large volumes of medical data.

 

TRT/HRT therapy and understanding has increased 50 fold the past 20yrs, yet it's estimated that only 5 percent of those that wpuld benefit are actually receiving trt today.

 

I say let's all lobby together to get this changed and get 50 percent on the juice. ;p

Well done sir! Thank you!

One more question, I'm on 26 mg SQ every 3 days, my TT is 550, E2 21. Fertility is not required, should one on trt do hcg?

My issue with hcg is that my E2 rises and then I need an AI which then crashes my lipids. Some believe hcg is required to produce DHEA and pregnenolone as well as stimulating LH receptors in the brain which produces a sense of well being. What's ur opinions Navy?

I agree with coming off and letting your body rest, but is there any evidence for this? Or is it more dangerous to come off and have little to no test for a few months?

Studies on prostate cancer when people shut off their testosterone have a huge increase in cardiovascular disease even within the first few months. So it may be more harmful to come off for a few months out the year, but that's just speculation

Skinless Chicken Breast Propionate stacked with a garden melody Acetate. ED. Also, Cardio 45min/day Cypionate. Works the best.

Lol! This is gold!

Thank so navy! I'll stay on trt

Love to try test ace. Too bad that's not at hrt clinics. I can get prop though via a pharmacy and I love that stuff.

I'm a 300 off gear it sucks and I lose a lot of size.

Why not stay on trt if TT is that low?

3 weeks in follow through with it and get blood work .Your best chances is if u have real human grade hcg clomid and nolva ..ugl shit or research crap won't cut it.Get bloods a month after the first bloods u get after pct.

Thanks, just feel like dog shit. I'm doing dr scaly pct protocol and all my stuff is from a us pharmacy

My question is, is this worth it? What if I get back to 400 after months and I wanna use again... should I just say screw it and stick with trt?

I hate these threads myself, sorry for posting bullshit but I'm in need of some guidance.

I'm 39, on trt for 8 months, but ended it three weeks ago to try to restart HPTA.

I got on trt cause all my blood work showed TT in the 40s, and 150s. However all that was after cycles with deca in it. Bw was taking 2-3 months after deca. So I thought my levels were low.

Long story longer, I went to a doc who was able to obtain labs when I had to do fertility treatments and found my TT was around 400 about 7 years ago.

So I thought I'd get off the trt do pct and get my levels back up. No idea why, maybe I like the idea of natural test levels?

Anyway, 3 weeks into pct and I feel like shit and asking myself WTF am I doing?

I want to get back on now, but 3 weeks in I kinda wanna see what I can bring my levels back up. But I'm going to use more in the future cause I'm hate being skinny. So I know I should just stay on trt, but I'm too brain foggy right now to even think about decisions...

Any help appreciated!

My hrt consists of 70 mg a week of test, keeps my TT above 500 and estradiol normal. My doc wants to add 250 deca a week. I plan on getting labs done, but he says I won't need an AI at that dose. Agree?

My endo loves SubQ,,, I inject 30 mg SQ every 3 days, my levels are above 500 and I'm happy with it.. no need for an AI[/quote

Interesting...

 

My cholesterol improved a lot too since there is no need for an AI. My E2 is 24...

My endo loves SubQ,,, I inject 30 mg SQ every 3 days, my levels are above 500 and I'm happy with it.. no need for an AI

Correct.

I'm just between running 250 deca year round vs 3 6-week blasts a year of prop 150 EOD

I'm thinking the short prop would be healthier. Others on different forums tell me the long term deca is safer and yield much better gains...

I think I'll run 250 deca for 20 weeks in the fall and a short 6 week prop in the spring. That way only on other compounds for half the year... of course all of this is with my trt

You say you are worried about your health. What health problems do uou have that you are worried about?? When you say "blast"....how many mg's of what are you referring to?? Don't forget...blast means different amounts to different people. To me a blast of test would be 3-4 grams of test per week. To other people it might be 500 mgs per week. I am 51 and been on test and other hormones for 30 years.

I'm worried about overall health, don't want cardiovascular disease, I want to be here for a while. A blast to me is anything over my trt dose ,, I usually do 450 test and 400 deca for 16 weeks twice a year.

But I'm thinking maybe 3 6-week cycles of prop may be healthier in the long term...

38, on trt. Plan on blasting still buy as I get older I worry about my health (but still going to blast). My question is which is healthier:

1. Long blasts 13-16 weeks (test, deca) then trt for 13 weeks and repeat OR:

2. Short blasts with short esters (prop and oxandrolone) for about 6 weeks, 6-8 weeks off (i.e. On trt) or so and repeat

Thanks for any advice

The clomid was from Walgreens so I doubt it was bunk

Nevertheless I plan to cycle anyway so trt is the best option for me. Especially since I love deca, builds muscle while keeping my hair! I feel so much better on trt, even on 25 mg every 3 days. Trying to dial it in correctly so I won't need an AI

The endocrinologist said we will increase the dose depending on lab results

Congrats. Howd you get your doc to change her mind?

My test levels were 17 total so that helped. I gave her the studies on subcutaneous injections plus evidence that the gels were associated with low absorption and increases in estrogen because of aromatase levels in the skin. She agreed.

She has me on 25 mg subcutaneously every 3 days. I'm fine with that cause I want to see how little I can take to get the job done (as in upping my total test but keeping estrogen in control so I don't need an AI). She says she prob will increase it to 50 me evedy three days if my total test is still low

One I get those numbers tweet just right I can blast and cruise