Theworm

Dr. Scally has a PCT program fro bodybuilders who are shut down and he includes HCG and nolvadex. Has been a successful protocol for many. It just depends on your situation, I think age plays a big factor.

I did his pct and worked great. It's the only pct that was actually studied, medically.

You would think that as a medical doctor, you'd be able to figure this out for yourself.

I did figure it out, that's why I posted it you dipshit. fucking amateur.

Btw, just because I'm a MD doesn't know I know everything about endo, everything is very specialized these days. Bet your gay ass to a bet. We have a moderate hold 1g, and when I prove to them who I am, then I get your money. If I fail to, then you get it. If you are so sure I'm not a MD, then you'd be silly not to take the bet. Unless your scared, which I assure you will chicken shit your way out.

Put your money where your mouth is bitch.

Living with low test u may as well be dead..Test only is the safest

When I'm off my levels are 3-400, it's low, but I still feel pretty good. Still increased libido and get rock hard.

I know it's an oxymoron, healthy and cycle, but what do y'all think is the healthiest route if one plans to use?

My goal is to limit to 2 cycles a year, one long and one short.

Do a test deca cycle X 14 weeks in winter and in the summer do a short 6-8 week prop and anavar

That way, I would be on 4 and a half months and off 7 and a half months.

I was planning on staying on all the time but my hdl is dangerously low at 17. When I'm off its 49! So you can't convince me that staying on is healthier. I cannot find any research stating low test is dangerous (i.e. When I'm off). No evidence stating low test can CAUSE heart disease, the only evidence is that heart disease is associated with low test (maybe cause the obese have low test, but the obesity is the factor causing the heart disease, not the low test).

I blast & cruise now, but when I used to cycle/PCT (after my third "cycle" I never came off - it was basically my first blast), I believe I waited about 10-14 days with long esters.

 

As far as I am concerned, anyone who is smart will be on TRT by the time they are 45 at the latest. I started B&C in my early twenties.

 

If you insist on PCTing, you may want to look into torem. It is a newer SERM & that was what I used for my second and last PCT. I recovered much, much quicker & felt better during it. I also didn't break out like CRAZY like I did with the clomid/nolva PCT. HCG you don't really need, but some people think it helps. A lot of people will run it throughout the cycle, on the belief that if you prevent testicular atrophy (or at least minimize it), recovery should be quicker and easier. I did this on my first cycle. HCG will also increase estrogen though. Other people will blast it for a week or so after the last test injection & prior to starting PCT. During the cycle, 250IU twice a week will suffice & this was the protocol I followed. The protocol for the blast week of HCG is different - I think a lot of people will do 1000IU for 5 days or so, but don't quote me on that. I never did that.

 

Since I never truly come off anymore (once in a while I'll go 3-6 weeks without pinning anything) I don't know anywhere near enough about PCT anymore to expand much on what I just said. You need to do your own research on that.

 

Again, blast & cruise is the way to go. Cycling/PCTing just throws you on this constant hormonal rollercoaster. Basically 3 steps forward, two steps back to a certain point & then it's 3 forward & 3 back. IMO hormones are a commitment. Either commit & go all in or just don't do it period.

Starting to believe this

Good luck there worm

With what? It's been working for me for 10 years

Never take Deca only,,,, test to Deca ratio should be 2 to 1,,,, never heard of deca depression,,, it usually is a mood enhancer

Oh, deca is linked to depression. Also remember, when using deca only, my test levels were 0, so that's what caused the depression.

Anyway, I run 400 deca and 300 test all the time with no issues

Other things can effect the hdl. Also conditions under which you took your bloods can make a difference. Such a low number I would say retest in the most controlled manor asap.

 

What's your diet and routine like?

I only shop at whole foods, oatmeal with flax seed every AM. Last night wild caught salmon , sweat potato and asparagus

So I eat good, exercise 5 days out if week with weights. I think my issue was 5 weeks into anavar 50 my daily plus arimidex ( cause I was on test and deca)

I cycle, so I'm off everything now. Next week starting clomid and nolva. Going to drink 8 ounces pino noir at night and do more cardio. I really think I can get that hdl above 40 in 2-3 months

I wish oxandrolone had an injectible version, back in 2009 HRt clinics had it, but it was 200 bucks for 10 ml, so 20 bucks a day! Crazy. Miss the good ol days

Low dose test and primo. Use bloodwork to get into the max reference range and make sure that estrogen etc is balanced. You may not be able to go to the highest end of the spectrum without using an ai. So I'd shoot for the max testosterone dose you can use without needing an ai.

What doses? 200 test and what primo? 5-600?

safest common compounds:

 

1st tier:

test

primo

var

prov

gh* <- not really juice

 

 

2nd :

eq

deca/npp

tbol

mast

winny

 

 

 

3rd:

dbol

drol

halo

tren* <- best thing since sliced bread

 

 

4th:

wetlooks seamen* <- readily available only if you have a thick beard and frequent truck stops

Very useful! I agree about anavar but it dropped my hdl from 46 to 17! So now I don't know how safe that is. I'm off now, so I'll recheck in 2 months and if it bounces back up at least I know it's only temp and I'll run it again.

Safe for me is less cholesterol affects and less hair loss ;)

Lol next youre gonna tell us bigfoot is a shit stiirrer

Oh, so it's common knowledge he is a cunt? Thought that'd be the case. He never has anything constructive to add anyway.

I'd just like to remind everyone this guy claims to have been on gear for ten years and also a medical doctor and this is probably the third time he's started a thread exactly like this. Most of the rest of his posts consist of an absolutely shocking lack of knowledge about how ancillaries work and basic level questions about how even the simplest shit works.

I would just like to remind everyone that Wetlook is an asshole.

Test only is the safest cycle u can do

Up to what doses? 500?

I'm 37 and a professional just trying to look better, keep my hair and not wreck my hdl. In my experience, for me deca 400 and test 300 has been the answer... Kind of hair friendly, my hdl does not plummet and I make decent gains. Never had an issue with deca dick ever.

Only issue I had was severe depression when i tried a deca only cycle. It was bad and took about a year to come out of. Never again with a no test cycle!

Others will say a test only cycle is safest, but then I would need a higher dose of an AI and finasteride... Others thoughts??

Heard good things about this combo, with test of course added.

If you had enough to run 6 weeks of each at 50 mg, would there be benefit to run the first 3 weeks of a cycle with 50 var and 50 tbol? And repeat at the last 3 weeks of the cycle.

The original plan was fist 6 weeks tbol, then last 6 weeks var, but my hdl is very low so I don't think 12 weeks of orals are good.

So maybe a total of 6 weeks of combined orals would affect hdl less than a total of 12 weeks of each.

Hope this makes sense!! Lol

Does this exist? Maybe clen plus mk677? There's gotta be something to use to grow while not using steroids or between cycles like me ;)

Send me the anavar gratis for the advice, switch to aromasin, raloxifene if needed, drop the Deca, lower the test to HRT dose. Add niacin (nicotinic acid version), fish oil, almonds, avocados, cardio. Put your health first bro.

Why drop the deca? Maybe I should just stick to test, deca and nolva (or torem if it doesn't lower hdl)?

I may go with torem but can't find much info on whether it drops hdl or increases it like nolva does

My hdl is 17! I know it's shit, I'm on test, deca, oxandrolone and arimidex 1 mg twice a week. I know it's the oxandrolone plus arimidex lowering the hell out of it but I'm pissed cause everything is working great. Look good, gyno well under control now that I dropped the dbol.

So I'll stop the oxandrolone and maybe just use nolva to increase hdl for now?

I use 250 - 400mcg 2x per week for the last 5 weeks of cycle and the first week off.

 

At the end of week 2 or 3 depending on what u were on it start nolva and clomid. Nolva @ 20-40mg a day clomid at 50mg a day. I'll do that for about 4 weeks.

 

Around week 4 I'll begin to run daa, testofin, tribulus.

Also while on gear I won't use creatine or beta alinine. I will after so the effects are more noticeable.

 

Also I'll run gh ,peptides or mk677 while off gear. I'm considering using gw5-whatever this time also.

 

Keep nutrition in check and keep going hard at the gym.

What about running hcg 250 twice a week for 14 weeks? Think desensitization is a concern? I read so much conflicting info about this.

Lol @ wetlook. Calm down man! You are going to have a stroke! Lol

Hopefully we can have a truce, PM me and I can prove everything. I'm not an endo or internist.

All I know is I did a lot of research 10 years ago and since, cycled on test, deca with arimidex .5 EOD and never had any issues, thus I didn't do intensive research on anti estrogens, why would I need to? Everything was going perfect. I tried dbol for the first time and that's where the gyno issues started, but I stopped and threw that stuff out, Ox is so much better!

Anyway, I appreciate the help and advice, you guys have been quite useful and hope I can keep posting without creating enemies ;)

Oh, this is going to be fun.

 

 

 

Holy fucking shit are you retarded. Yeah, it's a felony. Which almost no police attention is given to, even to dealers (unless they're also dealing in actual narco products as well).

 

And how in the fuck did you get your drugs for the past ten years? You've had scripts since day one? You are so fucking full of shit.

 

 

 

I can't tell if you're so fucking stupid you don't understand this was not meant literally, or you think that this is actually an argument that will get you out of the quicksand you stepped in.

 

 

 

Please name some. Please provide objective evidence.

 

 

 

This is literal broscience retards on youtube say. The fucking nerve of some retard such as yourself accusing me of "broscience" is astounding. You also conveniently forgot about the whole "cruise" part. Fucking unbelievable, this faggot.

 

 

 

If you could even come close to understanding even the methodology section of any published research, I'd be shocked.

 

 

 

Mainly because this sort of thing isn't very well studied. There's also very little to no research on, oh, I don't know, the long term effects of men taking osteoporosis and breast cancer drugs for on-label purposes, let alone off label to restart their HPTA either, so I guess that apparently makes it safe. There's also no long term research on repeated, steroids-induced HPTA shutdown/restarting either while we're at it. Seriously, do you know how dumb you are? That's not a rhetorical question.

 

 

 

You're 37 and cycle for what I assume is either beach muscles or to have enough confidence to meekly talk to women you likely would never have a chance with otherwise.

 

Keep fucking with me. Please.

You are a ducking dumbshit. Everything you say has no merit. I can't read a methodology section? How did I finish medical school dipshit!

I am married to the hottest girl in the world, so I don't have to pull "pussy at the beach". You sound like you are one of those faggots who is 20, lives in New Jersey with their mom and thinks the are wanna be Italian / jersey shore douchebag

Listen son, do some research and get back to me in a few years when you realize I'm correct on all accounts.

Are you telling me roids don't decrease hdl? Lol moron.

There are studies on long term hpta decrease but it's small. I use low doses so I never had a problem.

This is my last post on this issue, sorry I had to destroy your insecure faggot self in front of the only people in your world that look up to you.

http://anabolicboard.com/forums/showthread.php/27030-Study-suggest-TRT-risks-may-be-overstated

I read study after study on this issue and post 20 pages on this but I don't have the time. Everything I said has evidence backing it up, everything people like wetlook says is just bro science.

All I know is when it comes to me, when I'm on, my LFTs are slightly elevated and my hdl plummets to 29. When I'm off, my test levels return to normal and my hdl goes to mid 50s. So in my eyes, I'm healthier off.

So for me, cycling is a better option , I guess it just works for me. Also, I'm not an insecure intellectual adolescent who needs 3 grams a week to feel better about myself like wetlook

Sure. Off the top of my head, dumb shit you have already said includes, but is not limited to:

 

1. Thinking you were going to go to jail if you used primo.

2. Thinking that you need "equal time off as you are on" otherwise your nuts will implode.

3. Cycling is safer than blasting and cruising.

4. Literally having no knowledge of how much or how long to use common compounds (that you have legal access to, including winny, which I'm not even sure was ever approved for human use in the USA, but I could be wrong on that) and having to repeatedly ask people "...but is this a good cycle?!" when you're running about 800mg a week.

 

I'll keep track of further dumb shit you say if you want.

 

 

 

Maybe it's because I tried to be nice about it, but you decided to take it down this path. So here we are. Here we are.

 

 

PS - It's real fucking rich being called a "tough guy" by a guy who fucking cycles. I'm simply terrified of a guy who spends fourteen whole weeks out of the year on gear.

Still think you are wrong on all 4 things listed above.

Possession is a felony... Can u disprove that? No dipshit

When did I ever say my nuts will implode u fucking moron?

Cycling is safer, I'll believe the experts on this as opposed to you

Equal time on as off is safer than blasting all the time.

Prof: studies show even 300 mg test lowers hdl and when off returns to normal. But I'll use yiur logic and say a constant low hdl is better. That is, if you know what hdl stands for.

There is no study that even shows HRt doses over the long time is safe , not one

I came across some, but decided to toss it. Seems like it doesn't do much but causes more sides than anything elsev