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Since we lost strango. Which ugl comes close?

Consistent testing of raw powders and finished product is the main reason there is more quality gear available today than at any time in recent memory.

Another thing about that quality gear is how affordable it is. Affordable is an understatement.

The price of ugl gear has continued to drop. Drop to the point that I don't think it can go any lower.

I find it peculiar that with int pkg's from China being scrutinized and seizures on the rise that the prices are as low as they are after trending lower the last 2 to 3yrs.

I would expect to see prices increasing with product becoming more scarce with all the reports of Customs intercepting contraband of Chinese origin?

That simply isn't happening. The laws of Economics would dictate rising prices if they were true.

One thing, that some may find disconcerting, is that the last time we saw prices so low that we didn't think could go any lower along with quality gear at every turn was just before ORD kicked off.

Any kid with a web connection could order a 10ml vial of Test E 250mg/ml that was dosed accurately for $25.

Secret sources and being a trusted vet wasn't needed for the hook up.

The Market, whether its Wall Street or the Black Market finds ways to correct itself. Its just a matter of time.

Lastly, I guess you were making a statement more than asking questions in your opening post here?

You've been a member here at ab for some time but your post count indicates that you spend more of your time online away from ab and perhaps on other forums?

I find your statement to be not accurate...wrong...untrue. Its the kind of nonsense that really isn't dependent on ones opinion or interpretation. Its the kind of accusation or libelous statement that can be proven true by citing examples, which you haven't done? Why not?

To prove it nonsense one only needs to look at the Source Section(Int Buy & Sell).

Please, if your going to stop by every great while to insult members and staff take an extra minute or two to cite examples of your accusations. It will give your hollow posts substance.

As things stand, what you've done with this thread is the equivalent of a "Drive By"....broke wind while passing a group of people enjoying their day in a poorly ventilated enclosure. Stop by again when you can't stay as long.

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Info collecting? This can't be accurate? I'm certain he has stated that emails are deleted upon completion of every order?

Hmmm....screwing members every which way it would appear.

He could do pretty well selling his customer list to other sources of aas and the like. Should we mention that we aren't pleased with this latest development?

Spectre is still on good terms with Chavo and we didn't ride him THAT hard for dickriding? Maybe he would consider being a liason of sorts?

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Don't see these guys listed as sponsors here.

Drakon probably one of the best labs I've ever dealt with. Still good to go.

Callahan I haven't heard any negatives but I've never used.

You're staff at AA, are you not....

I'm not just "some guy." I've been around this scene longer than the existence of this board. I stated "I" had no issues with his Clen and my customers like it. I also pointed out the problems others here have had. What's the issue?

I've seen you at different dances over the years. 'bolex was one of my first boards in the late 90's before the crash. You always have had the stretchboy signature for as long as I can remember. You don't want to be remembered as "just some guy Spectre who jocked scam dick chavo til the end." do you...

I think we have had interaction and was why I was so cordial. It appears that your ego tells you that your one positive post will cancel out 20 neg posts because you are spectre. Its not playing Devils Advocate. Its simply being played when you know full well by some of the well known names....mainly staff here at AB who are among the most respected staff members in the Community and who have never been accused of being on the take....are posting truths backed by science and testing....not "feelings" and conjecture. Or in the case of some going to bat for a source for self serving reasons. If a guy knows a source is selective scamming but knows that because of his standing in the Community that the source scamming members more likely than not won't scam him. The vet is more valuable to the scamming source if he is kept happy and getting the "Good Stuff" or being sure that the vet gets primo service because the source can count on and point to the vet for solid reviews regardless of what is going on around him. That's not being a team player. That is being complicit in the selective scam.

Its Ok to go along with the crowd in some instances. You should be aware of your surroundings. This isn't IM or OLM. If you can't see how you are looking then there isn't much hope. You are intelligent enough to be able to see I'm making sense here. If not you've got an angle to benefit personally. Its not the most intricate of plots now is it....

Drakon gear has had very good reviews. On a private board I was a member of....some here were members as well but the incident I'm speaking about was a ways back and may have been before some arrived The board was SG.

The incident was, to me, less about the quality of the gear and all about how Drakon handled themselves and a customer. I can't remember the issue exactly but a customer and member was unhappy with something and he was having the hardest time getting a response from the rep or anybody.

When the response finally came the rep came across extremely arrogant. He wasn't willing to take blame or responsibility but said that they didn't want an unhappy customer.

After the incident seemed to be handled some members kept up the discussion and were commenting about the attitude the rep had and how he spoke to the customer. We felt the rep disrespected the board and the member(The member who had the issue just popped into my head.).

When the rep next checked in on the board and saw what was posted he went on the attack saying that we should've backed off and left well enough alone because he was retracting the offer he made. He said he didnt feel it was a legit claim anyway but that he could thank the other members for his loss.

Believe it was determined that the rep was one of the owners or something.

Drakon also brews for other sources who relabel with their own names. The since busted Kronos was one such reseller.

looks like several boards has been shut down in the last days... BOD, SF..

Yes. Don't know if BOP was voluntarily down for upgrades but sounding like it had something to do at least in part to a ranson email demanding monthly payments to the tune of $10k in btc per month to keep the criminal extortionists from dropping a dime first to the host server and then, if not paid, the dimes would continue to fall with US Federal LE next.

The letters that were to be sent were already penned and sent to BOP admin&ownwer, PAIN, who sent copies of the extortion attempt to other board owners. Copies of the letters are circulating throughout the Community.

Why are you going board to board and still pimping CBL shit? Your post at TID a few days ago:

TheSpectre said:

I talk to him at least twice a week. He lives across town from me. He's doing fine and just asked me to let you guys know. BTW, he's 46y/o, not some old grandpa, lol. He's moving into anti-aging stuff these days. I know a few of you had problems over at AB, I just have had nothing but success with CBL. Honest and straightforward guy IMO. I think 2009 was the first time I ordered from him. Just thought I'd let y'all know.

Some believe they are giving themselves a better chance of not getting shit on as others have been by whatever source they are going against the grain with when laying it on thick with the praise. Its kind of a pathetic insurance policy that doesn't work and really is just a horrible look based on how cbl chose to treat the Community that he made a lot of money from over the years.

In all honesty, I believe we, on the whole here at AB did him and the Community a disservice and indulged him the last few years. I stopped making positive posts a few years ago where CBL and Chavo are concerned. He and I butted heads over some trivial things that came down to him coming off as an arrogant prick.

The way he spoke to me through pm showed a complete lack of respect isn't the way I expected to be treated as a customer in any business. I also feel as though many vet members bit their tongues where cbl was concerned. I've spoken to several guys over the years who for whatever reason weren't comfortable with posting the things they would say in private.

Over the years I had heard a lot of complaints about cbl Tren Ace and Primo.

It also really annoys me when its more than clear that there are serious issues about a source and his product and a guy will come along and post how the same source is G2G when its fucking not. Its disrespectful to every member with issues and can really be detrimental to a member's reputation. A couple of weird fucking moves can wipe out a solid reputation that took years to build.

GOT old, not getting.

Its that or your Creator getting you ready for what's to come for all eternity.....you're good people. Gotta be age. Its a good reminder to use our brains and to listen to our bodies. Get better soon....

How is everyone? Glad to be back. I look forward to playing a little "catch up" with all things "Ab".

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Sandoz maybe...? That's one of mine, was...!

I've also seen Perrigo and Pfizer....Pfizer came in 1ml vials.

Of course, I can. I use to brew my own gear going all the way back to the fina kit days. But that wasn't my point.

There's a nationwide shortage of bac water at the present time.

The place I got it from 2 months ago now requires a prescription?

I know some solid guys who are banned from bop. These 2 are not among them. Guys are banned for putting shit sources on blast on the regular. Pain will warn you once to not bring drama from other boards to his little slice of paradise. Pain doesn't want something like the truth to slow sales for any ugl that is paying the $1,000 per month fee(was told that its been as much as $3,000? I doubt the 3k story!)

If anyone cares to remember I called out geargod and bigmills for having an agenda when it came to generic GH. I then accused them of working together to push sales through our private messaging system. They said I was full of shit and the both of them did their best to make me look bad. I ended up sending a pm to navy that geargod authored talking about bigmills selling the gh as I said. Navy posted the pm and peace and quiet was restored at ab.

Shortly after the pm was posted i was cruising the boards and i stopped at bop to see what the 2 jamokes were up to. It was only a couple of months ago that bigmills was hired as a rep for the domestic branch of ARL and he could be found bullshitting daily at bop. His sidekick, geargod, was a rep for Sovereign(sp?) Labs. Mills and gg could be seen posting in the others threads stroking one another.

I look around and to my dismay I'm told both were fired by the labs they worked for and then both were summarily banned from bop. I have it on good authority(FranK The Tank is a mod) that the 2 were not only selling product from sources they didn't rep for but doing so by pm. This geargod was just out of control. Having members send payment directly to him and not to Sovereign. On top of that, gg was filling customer orders with gear other than Sovereign. He was selling and then sending customers gear he received for free from other sponsors on other boards(meso and M&S were 2). He was supposed to be running gear from multiple sources and logging his progress.

My reason for bringing this up now is that for the last 2 weeks geargod and bigmills haven't been actively posting here but every night they have been stopping in. They have priors and I just want to make members aware that if they are receiving pm's from these 2 hooligans they aren't going to be getting any kind of warranty on the generic gh the 2 are fond of pushing. We have reputable and paying sources who can help you out. These 2 are not privy to any "insider info" and don't stand behind anything they sell. Be safe.

Don't have the legal knowledge or the real life experience with LE that some on the boards do, but . . . . .

 

seems to me someone with your local police, or DA, or a judge . . . or the usps, decided you are too small to fuck with in this case. Their pursuit of you would be discouraged somewhat by the way the delivery of the pack to another address muddies the waters for them a bit, and you did not look like the easiest pushover they ever dealt with when you involved a lawyer early on.

 

Hard to believe you are not being watched now, however, the old "give him enough rope to hang himself" theory. That could be as simple and low-tech as a usps supervisor telling your regular carrier and any others who might substitute to bring ANY packs addressed to you to them for review before delivering. Having lost that recent pack, you might impose some pressure on yourself to get some make-up goods coming your way, and soon. Unless you have a fool-proof Plan B, resist that urge.

The scary thing that happens here in Cali with local LE and the different task forces(gang, narcotics, etc) is that they have up to 3 years to file charges against anyone for any incident. Our rawdeal said it....they give em enough rope to hang themselves. They build cases on individuals out here. Guys think they're in the clear and then 32 months after they had contact and were arrested for a possession charge only to be told to go home after sitting in holding over the weekend. Guys think its their lucky day as they aren't on the docket.

Happened recently to my wife's cousin. He's nothing but trouble. Rolled up on him after doing a hand to hand dope deal in a Del Taco. We saw his charges on the website out here(jimspub.com) the night he was picked up.(Friday) By Monday the charges didn't show up on the site(I had a screenshot) and he wasn't on the docket. He wrote it off to a mistake and not being arraigned within 72 hrs or whatever it was his legal training told him was supposed to happen.

He delivers anything locals want on his bicycle. LE knows exactly who he is. They built a case over the next 2 yrs. He wasn't going to clean up and fly right. Especially after not being placed on probation or dealing with any negative consequences.

When he was finally picked up the time line for all he was being charged with started with the incident at the Del Taco more than 2 years prior. He didn't get away with anything....delayed gratification for LE. They've got nothing but time and are open 24/7, 365.

I'm pretty sure I posted this up not too long ago. Its titles something like "How to legally accept a drug package" or something similar....https://darkwebnews.com/help-advice/legally-accept-drug-package-per-police-prosecutors/

Interesting point buried in the info from geo (no, not the D-RED part lol).

 

You'd be surprised at how many postal employees, incl. the clerks you deal with at the counter, flat out KNOW every, or at least many, specific addresses in the town they work in. If you are ever in the position of mailing something you wouldn't want traced back to you, use a dummy return addy that is valid. If you are vaguely aware Broad St is 3 blocks long and they begin with 100, 200 and 300, don't make up a dummy that might not exist but will catch a clerk's eye. Broad St may go by 4's, i.e. 100, 104, 108, 112, etc. If you just fudge 110 Broad St, an experienced clerk will notice that and question you, and you are on surveillance cameras. Same thing with using the large apartment complex at 2000 Cedar Lane without putting a valid apt. # Don't assume postal workers are dumb and YOU can outsmart them. This isn't about IQ scores or "smart," it's about the thousands or more times a worker has performed simple tasks every week, they learn details. Learn the details too, before you get a clerk balking at accepting the thing you want to mail.

Absolutely....postal employees are trained to always be on the lookout for customers who fit different profiles. The USPS knows that their Priority Express option is the #1 choice of recreational drug dealers and their customers. Its why many sources won't offer Express shipping. Its easier to blend in with the overwhelming # of Priority 2-3 day pkg's.

Ebay has taken some of the heat off as their are thousands of people that operate a business out of their homes and use the most economical choice to ship....the USPS.

I live in Southern Cali...the Desert to be more specific. The USPS knows that marijuana, cocaine, methamphetamine and Heroin are shipping East every day.

They postal employees are looking for customers that are seem nervous. The are looking for the customer who, when asked if they would like their pkg shipped Express/Next Day readily agree without concern for price. Profiling disguised as Up-selling.

They are looking for nervous folks coming in last minute to ship a pkg. I can't explain the reasoning for this but I read it in a USPS memo to employees that was made public.

They look for pkg's with excessive taping. They are looking for pkg's that smell like coffee or dryer sheets. Masking agents that are over the top are just as bad as a pkg that smells of weed or tar.

Vacuum sealed with bubble wrap is the sign of a source who cares. Pkg's leaking oil can be an issue for us. There's a lot to learn when it comes to tipping the odds in favor of a safe transport.

PS....D-RED was using his home address to collect CIM from gear sales at HU. Rider could probably co-sign this. He's pretty cozy over there.

I'm not guessing. I know D-Reds true ID. Stems from him reading pm's years ago on his board just before he transferred ownership. He stole money paks and changed info on Western Union payment info. This is accepted as fact in our Community. He hates when I remind people of this.

Same. I look for the most generic looking tracking site. Not the official carrier site.

Just make sure your VPN is on when tracking on the USPS site or any other tracking site...WE'RE ALL USING OUR VPN's...AREN'T WE?

At some point in the transaction we all are going to have to accept some amount of risk. When ordering from your source and giving shipping info, please use a name that it associated with that address. Your mail carrier is not supposed to deliver mail to a name that is not associated with that address and its not OK to have pkg's kicked back and floating around the post office that it was mailed from which is where it will wind up best case scenario.

It will be returned to sender after being deemed "Undeliverable". Your source is not going to use his home or business address as the return address or in any part of his under the table job(unless your name is D-RED) but will use a real address as a fake one could raise red flags.

The possibility exists that the pack could be opened and then reported which could possibly be added to other things that are unknown to us and its just not necessary. Use your name and when the pkg arrives write return to sender and leave it by your front door for a min of 24hrs.

You could have a vindictive ex-wife or gf who ordered a hot pack trying to get you busted....there could be a scared juice head living down the road a piece who ordered using your name and address and who planned on grabbing the pkg before you got home? My point is unless you signed for it and or opened it and didn't report yourself then you're good. You never ordered anything. Don't offer the possible explanations that I gave up above. Someone already said it....there isn't anything you can say to LE that will help you.

If this had gone differently and without incident and if you were just wanting to do things as safely as possible guys can do the following; If you are concerned about a pkg that is late or just want to get an idea about when a pkg is coming be sure that your VPN is ON when using the tracking function on the USPS website. If you, the pkg, or the person or entity are being watched or are under investigation, once you click "track" your IP address is captured and is at that moment linked to that pkg. LE has successfully prosecuted individuals by linking their IP address to a pkg that contained contraband.

After receiving a pkg, whether you signed for it or not, leave the pkg next to your front door after writing "RETURN TO SENDER" on it. 24hrs should be enough time to flush out any team of LE participating in a controlled delivery and waiting for you to crack open the pkg.

The gov't has been playing 007 and spending budgeted cash on beacons that alert LE when the pkg has been opened. I would be really bummed out to find one of those fucking things mixed in with my supplements for my own personal use.

Guys often say things like, "Why bother, if they want you, they're gonna get you?" That may very well be true....but if you know how to conduct yourself in regards to the crucial part in the process of obtaining what it is you want it won't be the thing that takes you down.

Get a big enough anal plug to touch your prostate while u shoot a load

This post is waaaay out in front with no chance of being caught and will win "Gayest post of the month". Congrats, son. Are you able to pin point when things just went all bad?

The owner of the original Axio and GenXXL was Brian Wainstein. He was arrested on an international arrest warrant in Capetown South Africa in 2013. He paid an amount that equaled about $50k in bail and went on the run. He was on the lam for more than 4yrs. He was #1 on Interpol's Most Wanted list.

He fought extradition for those 4yrs. POTUS Obama put the Kingpin label on him that made it a crime for anyone or any nation to do business with him. Those that choose to do biz with him ran the risk of their assets being seized. It was an infraction of int. law to do business with him. He was wanted in the USA as well as Canada and Germany for steroid distribution. He fought extradition while living in luxury in an exclusive neighborhood in Capetown.

Wainstein was murdered while he slept in the same bed as his wife and son in August 2017. His wife and son were not injured in what is believed to be a professional hit. He was shot multiple times. As the assassins fled the scene they made off with 3 smart phones and nothing else. No official word but sources are saying no motive has been determined and the 3 phones taken by the 2 intruders while taking nothing else are a couple of reasons that support the professional hit theory.

Spoke with a friend today who I haven't heard from in a while. He hit me up because he has been running the grey tops from our guy. He isn't online that often and was unaware of the situation that has the man and his re-mailer in a tight spot.

He emailed for availability and to place an order. Said red flags went up when for the first time he was instructed to pay cash in mail. He hit me up before proceeding because in all his previous orders he's used bitcoin. That wasn't an option.

Someone is answering emails and taking payment. The guy I'm talking about didn't send payment but did give his shipping info. He's taking precautions.

Will suck pp for food

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Let me be the first to say...fuck off. We have paying sponsors. You disrespect them by assuming this kind of shit will fly. Dumbass.

A member of the Community, one that I'd have to describe as "more than a little behind the 8 ball", emailed PD a couple of days ago asking if he was "still good to go?" and received a reply yesterday, 4/6 saying, "Busted bro closed up thanks for ur biz.".

The member was asking me if I could confirm or at least fill him in. It read like it was pd responding?

I have it it ... from my pharmacy.

What is it you have my good man? Saizen?

Yeah man , I got one comming from a doc now and honestly it’s fuckin nuts , last year for a prep I ran 8 iu a day of grey top generics , did my prep myself , now I’m working with a coach and he doesn’t let us use generics he says to save our money i do 2 iu a day and I swear to god neverwe again will I waste my money on generics , I was just asking cause all good things eventually come to a end so I’m tryna find my next move but , Jesus Christ 2iu of this shit , fuxkin game changer compared to 8iu shitty generics

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Bigant..you and I spoke a bit about things you've got going on. I don't know exactly what the story is. I'm not calling you or you coach out because I don't know enough about your situation. I'm posting this to remind guys who may have forgotten.

Not long ago at a shit board called evolutionary.co* an announcement was made that they had crowned the very first vip's in the boards history. The 2 men were Analogueman(sp?) and Paja. The first and ONLY vip's on evo at the time. Looking back the whole thing feels like it was a conspiracy by those 2 and staff? Maybe staff felt as if they weren't getting enough $$ kicked back so they served up the 2 like sacrificial something?

Analman claimed to be a long time ifbb pro and paja was the gh specialist from a faraway land who's english got worse as the questions about his integrity became more intense and heated. Paja claimed to be running Saizen and was able to "Help" out a few good bros with Saizen and "gears".

When it was all said and done, the 2 vip's were run out of town and the only staff member worth a damn, ceo, exposed the Saizen the 2 jamokes were peddling as relabeled corticosteroids. I remember being told by men smarter than me that the fakes could be harmful to those members who may have injected the shit.

The relabeled fake Saizen reared their heads again on the product/price list of Live Well Pharmaceuticals. A customer of Live Well Pharms had some concerns about the Saizen he had purchased. He contacted EMD Serono and turned over all the info he had and discovered the product wasn't Saizen. Upon closer inspection, the relabeled Saizen was the not anabolic and were, in fact, the not friendly to muscle building corticosteroids.

I posted links to pics of the fakes up above in this post.

Bigant. I really hope the coach you are trusting with your future has your best interest in mind. I don't know who the #5 coach in the US is, but i do know that personal trainers have been known to launder drug money by logging false hours in the gym.

You probably have heard of Dave Palumbo? Personal trainer. Used his connections and the captive audience he commands to knowingly push fake Serostim. My buddy Swiper will debate whether Palumbo knew the gh was fake. I'm giving the man credit for being smarter than average overall and when it comes to an area that he is interested in he very quickly is given "Expert" credit. GH and cash $$ are two subjects that have gone back and forth more than once as far as what was the most important thing in his world at any given time.

He knew they were fake. Dave is not the same guy he was back in those days. Very smart. He knows what he's the best at and isn't to proud to ask for help in the areas that he isn't nearly as strong. Being who he is, the experts in the areas he needs help are lining up for him. Patience and knowing your own limitations along with a personality that has people wanting to be around you...confidence is much more attractive than being cocky and arrogant. Knowing when to manipulate and to do so for the right reasons will return dividends like nothing else.

Shit...off track AGAIN...;

Bigant.....you can take this for what its worth. These are the reasons I see Red Flags....I've spoke on the temptations popular trainers can give in to. Now, your coach says the kits are coming straight from a Dr....correct? Have you had an appt with a physician? If not, the Saizen most likely is not coming from a Dr.

Is your insurance being billed for anything? What kind of insurance do you have? I'm familiar with Serostim and have been since 2005. Every kit of Serostim that I have seen has come from an HIV/AIDS patient. A diagnosis of HIV does not automatically put 4 kits of Seros in your hands. There is a checklist of 10 different things/criteria that must be met in order to have those kits added to the med regiment.

By the time the patient finds himself being approved for Serostim he is sick to the point that he has been approved for Soc Sec/Disability along with Food Stamps, cash aid, free/discounted housing, and first and foremost, medicaid that has all those kits and cocktails at no cost to him. Zero. No copay. Doesn't matter if its Obama Care or if its Post Obama care. These guys are not coming out of their pockets.

I read in a post someone say that Serostim is starting to become scarce or hard for HIV patients to keep a script of. Not in Cali. These guys know which Dr's are the "Sympathetic to the Cause Physicians".

I know 2 guys that have been getting 4 kits a month along with a vial of Test Cyp for each....one gets a bottle of Oxandrolone as well. One guy has been living off those meds since 2011. The other has been on since 2007. Neither has gained a pound and depending on what time of the month you see them will be down 3 to 5lbs. If thats possible?

Its crazy. A piece of shit I know who is a connect for anything and everything asked me if I was available to take a drive up to Glendale with him. Says he'll pay me to drive because of how tired he is from work.

First, he's never had a job...and a blow job doesn't count, is what i tell him. Its a running joke with him. He has a girl but the reason he is as connected as he is has to do with him being a cock tease most of the time and a cock sucker the rest of the time. Puts in work.

Anyway, I'm not going to Glendale anyway. I know where he's going. Only question is what is he bringing up there. I help myself to a looksee in his bag. Nothing I can use..but I know the HIV infected gal who had wrongly put her trust in this garbage person. Her trust and 23 sealed bottles of different HIV medication. This fuck has to pass at least 2 casino's each way. He may not make it back alive...nevermind with a fair amount of cash to split with Kim.

Armenian owned pharmacies buy HIV meds. They put out a list of which meds they are looking for that month. They'll buy pretty much everything but certain ones are needed more than others so they will pay more for those. Sealed bottles bring more but they'll pay about a third for open bottles.

Where was i going? Price. Not that you asked for my opinion, or perhaps you did? Serostim without insurance and depending on which particular pharmacy you use(retail price and cost has Serostim labeled as a specialty med) the cost to a patient without insurance or the amount billed medicaid is $2500 per kit or $10,000 per month.

The cost of Saizen is available online. The price you are paying for Saizen sealed the deal for me as far as deciding whether or not I believe the story your coach is telling you. $6.42/iu simply doesn't fit any scenario that involves legit gh from a pharmacy prescribed by a DR.

Big changes in your physique can be extracted by overhauling your diet and training. I believe these are responsible for the positive changes in your physique along with good gear combos.

You're in a different position than member Koverby4. At his age he is going to get alot more out of his GH imo. I might be mistaken...but I put you at 23 or 24yrs old? No? I'm no expert but I've seen and done a lot. At your age, I'm leaving 2iu's of GH wherever your coach gets it from. If I'm your coach I'm spending that GH money on steak/quality red meat and a bunch of relatively inexpensive Tren Ace and Masteron Prop. At 28 or 29 add gh...unless your of RIP Dallas Macarver quality of muscle at 25.

Good luck and question everyone and everything that influences what you are putting into your body.