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The only people that would possibly send money to any source on that joke of a site is a complete noob. If you take a few minutes to click and read it comes off as a gag site more than steroid site. I don't know juicepal but I believe him without question in this instance.

If this has been discussed here please excuse my posting. I searched and found nothing so up it goes. I've read in several posts that a lot of guys are using wickr. I know I am and have been. The update that the author talks about has already happened. If you recall a couple of months back the system was updated and in order to get back into your acct you had to log back in?

I'm not a tech guy but I was a hushmail guy up until ORD and that Canadian bases company rolled on everyone. All it took was the US gov't to ask for what they wanted. The Boss at hushmail was all to happy to oblige. I don't know if things are that serious, but thought I'd pass this info along.

**Wickr alert**

Copy and pasting from another site:

By now most people know about the privacy app wickr. Sources use it all the time now as a way of communications. However the code has never been published and verified like other apps such as Wire.

For awhile now wickr has been pushing to go to a “profitable” model as they’ve claimed. This has led to the development of a professional platform. Wickr has previously released a white paper on the app. Which is something but not enough to verify if it’s valid or not. But people maintained the trust in it.

As such not enough people trusted the professional version when they could pay for a service that was code released where people could inspect the code and verify it’s secure. Wickr has now reported they refuse to release the code on the free app and would only release the code for the professional business version.

Soon wickr will push an update to the app in which they claim you must relog into the app to continue using it. This is a concern since that means the app structure has completely changed. They don’t want you to review the code but still want you to use the service.

It’s been in media alot lately that many drug dealers in EU were using the free app. Since Wickr is more focussed on profitability and is restricting access to the old and new code it’s pretty safe to assume they are hiding something. With the new rollout it’s possible the app could not be secure and information sold off to a govt organization. If they claim they are not making ***** on the free personal version they should have no problem releasing the code the way wire, signal, tele**** all have. However they are obviously hiding something and this new rollout should be a concern.

If you use the app try to get your contacts to switch to Wire which is open source. You can create an account online with a throwaway email address and use that as your log in to the mobile app.

If soon you get a notice wickr upgraded and you need to login again i would immediately delete the account.

Ahh okay, I just group any un wanted letter from the feds a "love letter" didn't realize that rule only applied to custom packs.

 

Looking at it know, here is some more details I can add:

 

- It's from the United States Postal Inspection service. Then says Criminal Investigation Service Center right under that.

-Subject: Mail Withheld from Delivery

 

"The purpose of this letter is t oadvise you that an item placed into the US Postal Service mail stream is currently being withheld from delivery as there are reasonable grounds to suspect contents are non mailable, and possibly in violation of federal law, specifically the controlled substances Act. Our attempts to contact you and the sender to obtain additional information have been unsuccessful.

 

The specifics concerning this letter are listed bellow:

 

Reference # **********

 

If you wish to discuss this matter, or do not understand the reason this letter is being sent please call 1-800...

 

That's pretty much the gist of the letter. Looks pretty similar to LLs I've received in the past.

It most certainly does have that flavor, doesn't it? I had a similar letter from a Special Agent In Charge from the FDA back around 98 or 2000. I had purchased a decent amount of 1,4 dinitrophenol from Spectrum Laboratories out of New Jerey someplace. Bought it in 1998 or so before it became a listed chemical care of the DEA.

The letter said homeboy wanted to know what my little company needed dnp. If there was any dnp that had left my possession he wanted to know to whom it went to.

The general consensus of the fellas on anabolex was to ignore the letter. I got Big Karch(rip) to co-sign this angle as the way to handle that specific situation. Those who weren't fortunate enough to know Big K the way many of us did you missed out on a unique human being. He was our answer to Rick Collins. He had his own forum on some boards the way any relevant celebrity would. It was something like "Ask an Attorney!" or "Big K's Law Library".

Big Karch told me that any sort of response would be considered an acknowledgement by myself that I had indeed ordered it and in doing so I would be opening myself to all types of possible actions. I simply ignored the letter and nothing ever came of it.

I understand that the knee jerk reaction to what's going on might be to get out in front of things. This situation is different than mine was. It was perfectly legal for me to purchase the DNP when I did. Its never been legal to send a Schedule 3 drug using the USPS w/out a prescription. I would be very concerned.

I believe Dictator said it about filling in your source. You may not get a response as the source may already be in custody.

If your friend hasn't made any moves advise him to NOT CONTACT LAW ENFORCEMENT! Big Karch's words may hold true today. However, being that the pack originated within our borders that there isn't much that can be done at this point. The source or an agent of the source(re-mailer/shipper) had been being watched. Your friend can only hurt his position at this point by talking.

He may be approached by the feds to cooperate and testify that he had ordered from the source who had advertised on such and such(name of the board).

Your friend received what is known in legal circles(federal circles) as a "Subject Letter". He isn't the "Target" of the investigation but rather is suspected of breaking federal law and could be charged and named in an indictment that is handed down from the Grand Jury. In order to receive less time when he is sentenced I'm betting the Prosecuting US Attorney will offer your friend the chance to cooperate and agree to testify should it become necessary.

I may be jumping the gun but I sincerely doubt that I am. One other thing, in the letter its evident that the gov't is lining things up to take the necessary steps when dealing with mail that is suspected of having illegal items in it.

Its one of the reasons the Community uses the USPS and not a private service such as UPS or Fed-Ex. The latter 2 can open the package you are sending or receiving on a whim. The USPS goes through the steps of obtaining a search warrant to execute a legal search and seizure.

The US Government knows full well that drug dealers and their customers use the USPS, and specifically, EXPRESS Priority Mail to send and receive every drug under the sun. The USPS offers a guarantee when their EXPRESS service is purchased. It is more inefficient than it has ever been. When a dealer sends his product to wherever it is his customer happens to be he has a couple of options open to him.

He should be wearing gloves while packing his good up. The gov't regularly pulls fingerprints from the contents of intercepted packs.

He can choose that a signature be required for the pkg to be delivered to the recipient. This ensures that the pkg will go directly from the mail carrier to the receiver or his agent. Stealing of mail, especially packages as they could contain anything you can think of. EBAY and Amazon have home based businesses at an all time high. Just as in other real life situations, there is safety in numbers. Dirty packs blend in with other packs.

Was a time when the EXPRESS dates and times were running close to 90% within the guaranteed time. Nowadays they are lucky to be at 70% within the guaranteed time. Because a warrant needs to be obtained to legally open a parcel the drug dealer and customer felt they had action.

If an express pkg that contained contraband was guaranteed to be delivered the following day by say noon or 3pm(actual times express mail will be guaranteed before)and the pkg in question is showing it is "delayed in transit" the sender and receiver have a decision to make. If the sender feels things have been extra warm or he's heard a series of clicks while on the phone he may very well tell his receiver to abort mission and, depending on where the pkg is going, may buy a round trip Greyhound or Amtrack ticket and have an associate hand deliver the pkg.

Suitcases riding alone in the luggage compartment wasn't unusual pre 9/11. That event along with legislation like the Patriot Act have seen folks have to get creative. I hope everyone here and throughout the Community stays as safe as possible.

Was the letter he received a target letter? I would assume so. It was probably sent from the DA’s office. That is the type of letter you would receive in a case like this.

 

He needs to get a lawyer and hopefully he hears nothing in 5 years. I know a guy a my gym going through this right now. He had to dish out 25k for retainer. He’s just sitting around being good and hoping nothing happens. It’s been. 1 1/2 years since he received his letter. His lawyer said if he doesn’t hear anything by 3 years there’s a good chance nothing will happen. But your not out of the clear until 5 years is over.

Hey Micro. I've only read about "Target Letters" and through reading have only known Target Letters to go to white collar criminals. Maybe things have changed. Its a pretty good way to mind fuck a guy. Send them a letter telling them that they are the target of a federal investigation. Add to the paranoia that the guy already felt because of the drugs he's on and when he didn't know he was being watched and its almost Cruel & unusual punishment.

The "Subject Letter" guys get from the feds sounds a bit better. It tells guys that they aren't the target or #1 person in the investigation but the gov't believes you have knowledge of or actually did commit a crime and you could be charged in a forthcoming federal indictment as a member in a conspiracy.

If snach's buddy got a letter I'd bet it was of the "Subject" variety. The gov't will want to get him on board and have him waiting to give testimony to the Grand Jury or further on down the line if the Target of the conspiracy decides to take his case to trial.

Either situation has dude in an unenviable position.

Letter on a domestic pack? Can you share a little more?

Maybe his definition of "Love Letter" is a bit different than ours is? Hey, ratatat...in this neck of the woods a LL refers to a seizure letter sent to you from US Customs. It informs the addressee that there was a letter or pkg of some kind that was intercepted by US Customs as it made its way, or attempted to gain entry into our country but was considered contraband and isn't legal to possess.

The letter informs you that you can dispute the seizure and attempt to pick up your pkg and tells you how to go about do so. Most guys simply ignore the letter and do not respond to it. They do make a copy of the letter if they plan on asking for a reship from the int source.

If something was seized and it was a domestic pack it wouldn't have been seized/taken by US Customs. They would never have seen the pack because it shipped from inside the borders of our country. It would most likely be a US Postal inspector that is involved. The FBI, DEA, and FDA could also be involved. Wouldn't be what we've come to know as a traditional Love Letter, though.

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You're not a rep, are you?

So I’m new to AB but far from new to the game and these forums. But that’s besides the point.

And this is not directed toward anyone specially. Nor is it meant to be disrespectful.

I’m reading these sources and their prices and what they claim in how they have “professional labs” and access to equipment most people wouldn’t know what to do with.

But with average Chinese raw power prices (bulk-1000grams or more) for something like Test E, the prices are still within the $2.0 range.

Now a source claims Test E 400 for $35 (again using an average) it takes $8 worth of raws just to make that bottle. Not including the oil, the BA, BB, fliptop, stopper, the filter. Etc and a profit still worth warranting jail time is being made?

It just boggles my mind. So i guess what I’m trying to say is use your head, do the math and if it sounds to good to be true...... it probably is to good to be true.

What are you trying to say?

Is this Darius or Frank? I've used some of the higher mg stuff a few years back with success. Just a couple of weeks ago I came across some old Pcom T-bol I forgot i had. Good stuff.

I've been reading at other boards that much of the orders taken that guys thought were shipping out of the EU store were shipping out of the store in China. We all know how pkg's coming out of china are treated.

AB is a great board. Its very different than other boards Pcom is on. The "you get what you pay for" mantra Pcom likes to fall back on to excuse the way high prices doesn't fly here. We have some of the best sources on the net and they aren't pushing $73 deca 300mg/ml...or $42 test prop or $62 sust 300mg/ml...OUCH.

I hope we don't see the reps Pcom has running around some other boards. If this is Darius I will say the man puts in the time and is an easy and pleasant man to work with. Also, there are members here that have deep pockets and may want to give some of the blends a go.

Another positive thing about Pcom is that you generally get what is on the label. They are the most tested ugl at anaboliclab and they have one helluva track record there. There are some guys that will pay the prices to always get what they pay for. Welcome!

Stay strong. You're the rock who's going to see her through the darkness and come out on the other side. You both will be ok.

I just want to say that I think the way K introduced Caxxis to the Community was/is awesome! Having vip's and other respected members of his board, that has been my home board since the mid 2000's and has been the best board since k took the reigns in 2004(bought it then?), giving reviews is fun to watch.

With all the controversy in the Community surrounding raws and with the evolution of testing from Lab Max to Mass Spec, which is becoming more affordable to the average gym rat, k has made things simple. We've seen labs that are full of shit claiming Russian/European raws to try and grab the noob dollars. We've also witnessed labs being trashed because of Labmax results which have been shown to be unreliable.

All the while K and ALP have quietly gone about his business doing things the ONLY way they can be done to be certain his people are getting what's on the label; Mass spec testing of raws BEFORE being brewed and shipped out into the Community. Checks & Balances...keeps everyone in line.

We hear over and over that these ugl's are at the "mercy of their raw powder suppliers". Doing things the way K does them and has been doing them is the way to take the power back. When lab max first came out....and it first hit the scene right here at ab courtesy of Italian Muscle & Joe Big...it was the beginning of the consumer taking back some of the control that we hadn't had since the feds busted the lab in San Diego we could send samples to in order to see what we were putting into our bodies. I believe the lab was shut down in 2007?

Our gov't would rather its citizens risk their health and blindly trust cutthroat businessmen in china who will do anything for the USD than give us a way to see what is in those powders.

The same gov't shuts down needle exchange stations that would give its most vulnerable and sickest citizens clean needles to use instead of sharing needles perpetuating the spread of communicable and deadly diseases. To the powers that be, we are lumped into the same category as those IV drug users. We are dealt with using the same tactics....take away the opportunity to verify that what we ingest is safe by outlawing it and threatening all involved with imprisonment.

Its not as simple as it looks...I am aware. The climate being what it is at the border and with our Customs Enforcement has made importing raws from China more challenging than ever. The same factories in China that synthesize our steroid powders and generic gh are also turning out deadly analogues of Fentanyl and research chemicals known infamously as bath salts. The same Chinese businessmen who we are partnered with are also partnered with dealers of street drugs that are responsible for all the overdoses we read about. That's something to sit back and think about. We can call the Chinese we deal with Saviors after taking our order of muscle building raw steroid powders and in the next breath motherfuck them for opening the next email to fill and order for car-fentanyl that is headed to an addict that could live on the other side of your street.

That's another topic...what is happening because of the fentanyl epidemic is that all pkg's originating from China are scrutinized. Raws that would come through in one order 2 yrs ago have to be broken down and sent in 6 or 8 smaller orders to improve the odds of the raws getting through. This has made testing of batches of raws out of the reach of most ugl's. There are simply too many batches to test. Financially, it isn't realistic.

Bigger ugl's who are able to take delivery of Chinese raws outside outside of the USA are able to test large batches of raws and then ship the tested batches to the us in smaller amounts or from locations that aren't under the microscope. Start up ugl's can't do this. Resellers of the larger labs are in a better position than the startups.

Its a confusing and risky endeavor. ALP and CAXXIS under the watch of our own K is looking out for all of us. It makes me wonder how or why we risk purchasing elsewhere?

We've got you both in our prayers over here in SoCal, Bravo.

That's the ones! Can't argue with success!

Welcome, from one geo to another.

Thanks for the insight I'll go do that, got ai from a trusted source here , but if u can point me in the right direction for human, pm me.

Thank you

We have a VIP member that goes by "inhuman"? I screen msg's for him. What's good besides getting in touch with your softer and more bloated side?

You won't find a sponsor here that pushes human grade. Yes, with pharmacy/human grade test you will know you have the real deal and that its dosed at label claims.

That's if you find legit and not counterfeit hg gear.

There are sources out there with an unlimited supply of Watson test Cyp, WestWard test, Perrigo test and other gear that appears to be identical to what guys are getting from the pharmacy when their Dr writes them script.

Your best bet if you aren't plugged in to a domestic source(who probably wont be in the open) is to find an online international source. You'll want to do some research before jumping in the water.

The things you described are unsettling and I'd like to see you going to your Dr for a looksee.

How many times a week do you need to pin the tren hex?

From what I've read and then put into action as far as tren in concerned when its attached to the hex ester is e3d(every third day). The hex ester fits in between the Acetate, which guys push it pinning every other day when every day pinning is probably more reasonable if we want even levels of it in our blood, and Tren Enanthate which guys run once a week or if we are again striving for stable blood levels go with a monday/thursday pin schedule.

I mentioned him in a post a couple of days ago...Damon/Tsunami pushed tren hex @150mg/ml. It was awesome. A little(mg wise) goes a long way. If I remember correctly, 150mg/e3d was working wonders. I would compare that amount of hex and the results I got to 600mg of Tren E/ew. My body seemed to utilize the tren with the hex ester more efficiently than tren E. If that makes sense?

A good way to get an accurate read on folks is to engage them. I'm often surprised that my assumption was off and it was my ego once again and my belief that I have some kind of influence on all kinds of people that in reality haven't given me much thought at all.

Now, depending on who my mark is, I'll either stroke them and make an impression that may help at a later date or impress upon them that I'm not the one to be dumping their shitty day or life on. If they do, they aren't gonna do it for free.

Two important people in my life(among others) are my barber and my mailman. They both get X-mas cards. My barber gets cash(5x the what I give him for a haircut. Keep in mind he's an old school barber and not a stylist that costs $35 a session.)

My regular carrier gets a target gift card. Cash isn't appropriate. My intention is to hopefully get a little extra effort from the son-of-a-bitch should a situation present itself. Who knows what kind of scenario could come up. Perhaps something that would normally have the guy not deliver the pkg and have it returned to the sender will end up in my hands instead because of that red card?

Maybe one day there's a car parked in front of my mailbox and if it was anyone else he's keep pushing without delivering the pkg? I like to tip the odds of good fortune my way whenever possible.

Sounds like a bit of paranoia. You've got to remember where we got the words to describe a situation where a clearly unbalanced individual returns to his his former place of employment after being served a pink slip and without warning opens fire on those left in his wake killing as many innocents as possible before either turning the gun on himself or deciding to go the "Suicide by Cop" rout....dude has "Gone Postal" for lack of a better term.

I wouldn't look any further than the surface. Unless you have a dog that has his ass in his sites or the employee is required to ascend several flights of stairs to deliver your Publishers Clearinghouse he's just another socially inept weirdo.

Take reasonable measures to ensure your safety but check any "Strawman" type theories at the door. You're good.

Guys, there is NO List until he gets anything about a list approved first. Questions about that can go to admin.

The young man already has a list of prescription PCT stuff? He's already been blessed. Without much of a stretch peptides being for research purposes only would most certainly fall under the umbrella that prescription meds would encompass.

I have it on good authority that AB has a Source Apprentice Program in full swing. We've lost a couple of sources as of late. Kronos and Asylum bad mouthed me saying he could tell I was the type to cry to whichever agency came in swinging their dick and roll on whomever I could find to take my place in cuffs.

Within a week of his slanderous nonsense what that Asylum punk and his half a retarded hoe LK2 prophesied must have sounded like a plan one of them could live with because its exactly what went down in that camp of weak sucks.

At the risk of sounding silly and self righteous, our resident tech guy regular has seen my paper work and seen how my mandatory minimum 5 yr sentence was bequeathed to me although the guidelines could have seen me with less than 5 yrs had the mandatory statute not been in play. It was and the 60 months were all mine.

There I go again. Rants are my go to if you hadn't noticed. Dynasty is now a closed chapter in my book. Chief mentioned HG Gear bounced with money in his greedy little hands that he didn't earn.

I'm looking forward to a Wutang list. Fresh blood will do the board good. That, and I've heard chatter about a retread in our midst. Eminence has been making what looks like moves to me? May be wishful thinking? May be just around the next corner?

I'm not so sure we should burden Muscle Up with things we can work out ourselves?

With the amount of cooperation he will be getting a rule 35 downward departure in the future. They often sit on the judges desk for years literally and then one day, boom you're on the street. I saw it many times.

Ok, help me out, Thai. The downward departure isn't applied at sentencing? I always thought a 5k1 was authored by the US Attorney explaining in detail how a defendant provided substantial assistance in prosecuting which individuals and in which federal case.

It seems completely unfair and ass backwards when the #1 in a conspiracy gets a lesser sentence than an individual who perhaps made 1 phone call or gave another defendant a ride to meet and make a drop or pickup a money transfer.

I've seen and read where the extent of the involvement of guy who was 1 of the last 5 people in what was called Operation Green Hand was just that. One ride. He drove a guy to the home of one of the major players to pick up heroin. The home was under surveillance.

Think there was 85 men and women named when it was handed down. 50 something Westside Verdugo gang members in San Bernardino, CA. Its up to the prosecutor if they are going to indict an individual who has involvement like that. If the guy didn't have a record I'd bet he wouldn't have had his door kicked in that morning almost 4 years after taking that drive. He traded that car in 2 years before his arrest. Had no idea what was happening.

He had priors and that's all it took. If it had been a state beef he'd have been in the clear. It's why the feds work closely with state LE on certain cases. If the state doesn't feel like they can secure a conviction the feds will go ahead and pick up the case.

Penalties in a federal conspiracy case can be sever. In a RICO case sentences start somewhere around 15 years and the burden of proof is generally fairly easy to meet.

In the case we're talking about the ring leader's(#1 on the conspiracy) involvement was all encompassing. He made all the decisions and hired or knew everyone who had a hand in the case. The feds probably had to tell him to be quiet and they had all they needed and more. He aided in prosecuting others below him and in theory can do less time than a guy who gave someone a ride one time.

I can't remember if we discussed the guys parents? His father acted as Banker to the business. He held and shipped large amounts of cash around the country. He took a 10% fee off the top as compensation for his help. He said he didn't profit personally from the scheme. He was a Pastor to a local church and the 10% went to the congregation.

My backround is Russian Orthadox. 20% was expected by the Church? What's this 10% nonsense? The Pastor and his wife cooperated and ratted on their son to secure their downward departures. The document was present for their sentencing and will be attached to their sons sentencing documents. Its one big rat fest.

Back to my question....Thai, you're saying that guys can be already sentenced and doing their time with an out date and be released earlier because of this rule 35? Is that because others are fighting their case for a long while and the guy doing time hasn't gotten credit for his help prosecuting him yet? Thanks in advance for taking the time to answer my questions.

I use IA from the Philippines. It's good. But in the future I'm going domestic. Just Google lyophilized glutathione and pick which vendor you prefer.

Off topic but I've only ever met shady sources from the Philippines. Last source outta that mess of islands was Mikee's Pharmacy. This was early to mid 2000's. Best known for sourcing Demerol.

I'm sure you're aware of the whole doctoring of Simec lab results that led to IA's being banished to BOP? You're a second chance kinda guy, Thai?

6ft 5in 284 lbs here...

 

Old vet looking to learn from you young guys and recognize some old handles.

 

:)

Welcome G. Do I recognize you as a staff member at a few places? I apologize if I'm off. You brought up old age. I'm there too. Repping the Blue Hair Brigade with a seriously sick back shot. Deads and rack pulls along with some heavy bent over rows built that thing, no?

Its killing me where i've seen you?!?!? Do you rep for Z?

I just dipped my big toe in to test the waters with bitcoin. Had a fella a bit younger than myself set me up a wallet. Had $2,000 deposited. Overnight I lost a little due to trading I'm told. Then, wanting to get at my money we went to an bitcoin ATM. It was a couple of days after I received the transfer that it was withdrawn by ATM.

In the 2 days it dropped to $1600(value of the original 2k) for a low and after ATM fees the original 2k was $1834.09 in my pocket. I'm studying and will figure out the best way to use bitcoin for what I need.

Can't help but think that this also played a major role in upping the penalties.

Unless the grow was what he was charged with then it has no bearing on the sentence meted out. Money laundering is where the length of sentence came from...more specifically, the amount laundered.($2,800,000)

This thread sucks. I'm all about transparency and members being able to post what they want, when they want, about their experience. This is complete crap. Registering to make 1 disparaging post without any proof is bullshit. Not to mention no introduction of any kind and on top of that he's refused to answer a direct question from the man himself. If ever there was a thread and post that need editing/deleting this is it.

I know it's been a minute since I've been on here and a story will follow why, but K, in Jan '13, 1 BTC was i think 20 bucks. It's right at 4 grand today. I like everything about it, but it is the wild west right now. That's for sure brothers.

 

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The explanation I'm looking for has to do with your avi. I will always associate your handle with your previous one.