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Boston Lloyd just totally torched these guys in the open on his social media page on IG. said their shit is bunk and total scammers. if it was real they would be busted for all the out in the open shit they do. he bashed them bad ha

ah yes.... Kevin Levrone just mentioned them today on his social media. He is sponsored by them and referring people to them...

Chris C. and a few other pros on there too...

But its like that Titan Medical that James promoted on his social media. They make a lot of inj amino and inj carnitine and stuff. but they also have ECA and fat loss along with HRT...

says Skype or FaceTime doctor to approve script and boom. your set they send you whatever you want in the mail through an FDA approved US pharmacy lol

yep, again... Blue Hearts hands down.

i appreciate what you're saying here but what 'effect' are we looking at with 250mg ed for 6 weeks of oral primo? i doubt it would be significant. if it was, more of us would be doing it. just saying.

even if you said 40-50% absorption rate you'd still be getting around 500-600mg a week which is not bad cycle. and think about it.. so double that..

500 bucks for 10-12 weeks of primo cycle? compared to what of oil? its really not bad at all bro. your gonna spend the same either way depending where you get raw/oil

Basically $25 for oral Primo ace is same as inj $50 for primo.

 

There's a little cost benefit there. Primo isn't 80-100. Its 50-75.

well I guess on this board the average was higher..

D is $85 for 100mg 10ml for the line that carries it

Dynasty is broken down at $90 for 100mg 10ml

and the other source who has it here is out of stock and I believe it was $80 for 100mg 10ml

but either way you saying the same thing.. its not 10 times higher to go the oral way

even if it was, so what? the cost would be 10-fold, or thereabouts. i'd love to know who uses this stuff. and why?

CB that depends on how you look at it...

Primo Ace..

10 grams 250 bucks..

that would give you 200-250mg ED for 40 days..

so 5-6 weeks cycle for 250 bucks.

oil inj is going to run you 80-100 bucks primo ace for 100mg per ml 10ml vial? so I will even round up for benefit of the doubt and say that last 2 weeks, now multiply that by 2 or 2.5 to make the cycle times the same..

3.2 million in five years... unreal wow.

he made more then most people made in their lifetime. no wonder so many guys stick around and don't wanna give it up ha

the blue hearts back in bro? that the dbol you've got in again

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yea that Asian chick is hot and younger ha

Phil followed same path lol. He learned from Cutler.

have you seen his "assistant"? That bitch is banging! 100 bucks says he was tappping that

Your post implies that UGLs with testosterone products above 300mg/ml are intentionally involved in some kind of skimming/shorting conspiracy. I don't understand the blanket UGL hate and paranoia in the community because the level of trust someone has to have to inject something into their body from a UGL is enormous. On one hand people will say, I trust you not to put something in my vial that will get me sick or harm me. On the other other hand they say they are convinced the same person is trying to rip them off.

 

There are plenty of shady bullshitter UGLs out there. Could some be shorting, sure. RBB bribed his law enforcement clients to have a client arrested. There is plenty of shady conduct on behalf of sources in the wider community. However, I can assure you that there are some good UGL operators that are honorable and really care about their clients. You seem to be painting with a very broad brush.

 

Something I find interesting about your opinion that UGLs with concentrated products intentionally skim is that I've seen testing data on UGL orals that indicates the opposite is true. Orals are frequently massively overdosed (200 to 300%) because the UGL can get away with packing more active ingredient into a tablet, while still having a stable tablet. Overdosing benefits the UGL by creating the illusion that their product at the same dosage is superior to the same product another UGL is dispensing at the same dosage. This leads to confusion on behalf of the client when he gets a properly dosed product and it doesn't knock him on his ass and he is relying only on his anecdotal experience to judge the quality of a product. That said, in my view, shorting and overdosing is equally deceptive.

 

As to HG companies only putting 100mg/ml to 200mg/ml in their products, I believe has to do with ease of administration, having the product reliably hold in solution, and PIP. The higher the mg/ml the less stable the solution can be, the more painful it has the potential to be, and the more unreasonable/silly it would be to administer to a normal medical patient.

 

Per phizer ( see: http://anonym.to/?http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=548 ) "For replacement in the hypogonadal male, 50–400 mg should be administered every two to four weeks." The average is 75mg per week. Is it easier to administer testosterone in 25mg increments when that testosterone is in a 300mg/ml solution or a 350mg/ml solution? Or is it easier to administer testosterone in 25mg increments when that testosterone is in a 100mg/ml solution or a 200mg/ml solution? Obviously it's easier to administer the lower round number concentration solution at 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml because the math is simple.

 

Pharmaceutical companies are not competing to make the most hormone dense solutions possible. Dosage per ml or shot barrel economy is only important to people using large volumes of hormones. Muscle sport people care about how many mg per ml they can pack into a 3ml shot, normal medicinal end users and phizer do not. A pharmaceutical company could definitely make very high mg/ml testosterone products but there is no benefit for them to do so when the average dosage is 1.5ml of a 100mg/ml solution or .75ml of a 200mg/ml solution every two weeks.

 

I've had UGL test c crash out of solution at 250mg/ml. Cold climates can lower the energy of a solution and cause the hormone to crash. 100mg/ml to 200mg/ml is going to be more stable than higher concentration solutions.

 

UGLs can employ excipients (solvents) in their formulations that are not commonly found in HG testosterone and can therefore legitimately create higher concentration products. Ethyl oleate is one such example. There are many other uncommon excipients approved by the FDA for injectable use too.

 

EQ is a liquid at room temperature, so high concentration injectable EQ is not surprising at all.

 

I've never used a hormone with a higher concentration than sustanon 350mg/ml because I'm assuming it would be very irritating. I do read complaints about people using high mg/ml products from time to time and they are told to mix it with another product or cut it with oil. I've had painless sustanon 350 and painful test c 250. Pain isn't only derived from the concentration of the active ingredient. Pain and test flu can come from contamination, inadequate depyrogenation, bacteria, and improper formulation.

hey Reg, if it came across wrong bro my bad I wasn't trying to paint a picture or say right or wrong to either side. I was just starting the thread to see what opinions were out there. thats why I put my last sentence in there the way I did... Just wanted to see thoughts from folks on the board bro. thats all. def wasnt trying to cast stones or blame game. just topic conversation and also because Piana is a topic of a lot of controversy.

alright.... this could be a sensitive subject to some and could cause some serious butthurt lol, but it could be interesting to hear some with experience to chime in and then others just to see what the opinions are on this board...

So, there has been a lot of chatter recently about how many mg per ml are really in UG Labs test (deca, EQ, Tren, but we will use test as the example)..

Rich Piana actually not too long ago put up a video on his Youtube about this.

There is a reason why HG pharmacy companies only make 100mg and 200mg test. They say that is all you can put in a ml without causing pain from the injection or PIP.

Now tons and tons of UG labs have test300, test400, test500 and so on and so on of combinations...

a lot of people are suggesting there is no way for this to be legit. you would feel anything with that high of concentration and it would be too painful to continue use.

How many remember Denkal T400? that shit was real deal and tested around 385-395mg per ml solid. That stuff hurt like a mother fooooker and knotted you up for days with test flu. you could feel that shit.

So when it says t300 t400 t500 is it really legit? how many feel it is and how many say probably not.

So if a UG lab has T300 chances are its more like T250 if lucky maybe 275/285mg per ml. what do you guys think is really in T400 and T500? same thing on EQ.... 300? 400? 500?

Some of the UG labs have these insane 500 or 600mg combos per ml and people saying ooh smooth as butter. ha .. might be a reason for that.

im not saying either opinion is right or wrong but thought it would be interesting to see what other people thought...

The upsher smith halo?

 

Actually I do have some but I'm saving the last for myself lol. It's not made anymore so I'm holding on to a real life dinosaur. Stuff is sick!

 

The hearts are not that far off is strength gains and quality but never will be as good as real halo WAS.. Everything I have is legit and from real pharmacies though. I wouldn't buy it if it was bogus.

hahaha lucky ass! those WERE unreal good. hey BS I'm gonna see if I have your email still if not I will send you a PM.

man that HG halo was legit as hell bro, got anymore of that around these days! been awhile, those hearts def have a kick and are strong as fooook. bump for BS. the hearts and Halo were good to me back then.

bro he looks good and he said he's staying covered up until he's ready to reveal his progress. I can't say too much but he workouts with a buddy of mine every few weeks when Kevin comes to see his girl friend, so the two of them will hit a workout or two while he's in town. A few weeks before the Olympia he was in the mid 220's and thats up from the 205 last month. And said the same thing when he was in town that he said in that interview... "he's only training a few times a week"

we will see.. he looks good though. his arms and shoulders are def a lot larger already. We will see but I hope he does.. like he said in the video the only way he would do it was if he could get close to the look he had before, but only then. He said he wanted to give his fans what they want.

we want a comeback!!

Doubt Kevin will come back, I've only seen pics in sweatshirts and you honestly can't tell anything from those.

wonder if he really will do it and come back... if he can get close to as good as he was he would smash Phil and anyone currently up there. man I would love to see him come back and compete.

I heard he tried pushing his own supplement company and the people in high places punished him

yes,... I've heard from a few people pretty close to them that it had to do with that and money. And in the end JM Basically said fuck you, I decide what guys and what supplement companies make deals. Kai probably did not want to give JM his cut. Jim doesn't care about anyone all he cares about is money. This new NPC Global is going to jump off hot and could be very big. It will depend on who he had jumping with him and how steady he can keep the growth. But Lee Thompson is a very smart man and he has a ton of backing and connections. The guys didn't jump ship and tell the IFBB to kiss his ass without a plan already in place. And don't forget bodybuilding.com came right out the gate and sponsored him. They released statement saying we back Lee and NPC Global 100%

but yes heard the same thing.. it had to deal with his supplement line and the way the sponsorship was gonna work. JM has to have total control or you will end up like Lee Priest. Example.. if anyone out there doesn't think JM gets a cut from Phil and Gifted Nutrition revenue your a fool. He's getting his....

could be the fall of Jeremy and Sadik gets his title this year. he's becoming the poster boy anyway. Cook may have been the face and the good ethical nice guy poster boy but he doesn't compete and when he does he hasn't done well. Sadik is doing more appearences and he's humble. Jeremy is just a cocky asshole riding his wave.

I think Sadik gets it and they say Jeremy is too big.

Sadik

Jeremy

Jason

and maybe Chase in the 4th spot...

we will see if Steve can stay in top 5 at 5th as his conditioning does seem to be a little better then it has been. However Frank is looking good as well and had one of the best looks of the year when he won his pro show to secure his Olympia ticket. I think the dark horse underdog is Mike Ferguson.. looks good may surprise some folks.

Caged any thoughts on this or any insight...

specifically Jeremy Buendia and Sadik Hadzovik

not sure wtf these MP pros are taking especially these two guys but both of them go from almost normal body type to freaking full, vascular, and serious striations in less then 3-4 weeks. they are ten times ahead of there other MP pros with the rate at which their bodies change. that shit is crazy,. both of them were at expos last month and looked almost normal in person still and then this week at NA these last few days these guys looked insane different. I know these aren't BB but figured you might have heard some type of stacks or rumors of how they are doing it. Ive only heard some things from a few guys who have trained with Sadik and I'm not sure I even believe half of it.

not sure wtf these MP pros are taking especially these two guys but both of them go from almost normal body type to freaking full, vascular, and serious striations in less then 3-4 weeks. they are ten times ahead of there other MP pros with the rate at which their bodies change. Maybe CF would chime in on his thread but that shit is crazy,.

legit as they come!

^^^correct!! He use to be a big MFer! I'm sure the rumors and shit will start hitting the gyms this week.

yea we will see what happens from here.. folks saying he's untouchable but someone had to take the fall because it involved kids... he's got a lot of "people" on his payroll. the fact that he is still good and they haven't taken him yet makes you wonder ha. maybe Sessums just had to take the fall.... we will see, only time will tell.

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Hopefully I will have more information on the bust. I believe this guy was selling in gyms and also selling pills. He was associated with anyone online or any boards. Luckily I never had any dealings with him.

he sold to an under age kid and his parents found it flipped out ask him where he got it and he told them. stupid selling local at gyms and to young kids..

they went by Southern Labs but not the Southern Labs that used to be on the boards...

Rob Bailey....

Godsmack, Megadeath, Powerman5000, Adelitas Way...

Whatever he takes when he gets ready to cut for show has him go from normal looking to fucking shredded freak mode in like 3-4 weeks. He does this every time... almost like Phil ha. good genetics and gifted or that plus great receptors from great gear.

but nobody in MP shreds as fast or as insane as he does...

wonder what he's taking to change so fast.. lost of them dudes on soooo much shit too wow

Matt Christianer looking better then he ever has before so be interesting to see how he places early on

yea I sold half of my uwti on Friday thinking today was going to be a down day. SMH Anyways yea all this chatter that we have hit a bottom is crap I think. Might start looking at RUSL now

UWTI.... started building my base.. $3 range all day in here between 2-80 and 3.30

I will hold a core on this turd and tuck it away for long way down the road