Rider

I can attest to the vascularity and the pumps.

 

I was running about 1.4 grams to 1.7 grams of gear for about 6 months. I added 100mg anavar in the mix, dropped the oils down to 1.2 grams total. The effects of anavar were very noticed.

 

Also this article failed to mention the most important aspect of anavar, it accelerates collagen synthesis instead of slowing it down like other steroids do.

 

VERY important to note. Anavar is the king of the orals for that reason.

Yes, you're bang on, Jay! That's another reason why Anavar is the king of orals!

As far as orals go, only tried dbol and tbol. Used winny but it was inject,so i dont think that counts as an oral even tho you can drink it.

 

Anyway ill try the var @ 50mg next blast.

Hey Crio, I saw your post over at the other forum. I feel you'll have a new favorite oral very soon. Var is amazing!

Very nice post Rider. Var is my favorite......

Hey Mugzy, yeah, Var is my favorite as well. Besides Proviron and Var, I don't use any other oral anymore!

Dbol is great when on, but when you come off, majority of all the water weight and strength goes with it.

I love var. besides test and tren var is my favorite!!! Mix some test prop/tren ace/var for 10 weeks and your set!

Wow, that's a good cycle! Strength gains alone would go through the roof with that stack!

Yes, Imo a lot of guys would be happier with results if they keep the doses of AAS to moderate, and incorporate Proviron into their cycles.

I find a lot of guys on the forums would rather skip Proviron and go immediately to mega doses of Test and/or tren! It's my belief that less is more, hence why these days I stick to just Test, Prov, and Var. I get clean, quality gains that are keepable post cycle, and recovery is a breeze!

Personally in my own experience I feel 50mg-60mg Var everyday is an ideal dose.

I have experience using doses above 60mg Var, and it lead to too many unnecessary side effects such as:

- Nausea

- Extreme Lethargy

- Lowered libido

- Stomach upset

- Fatigue and needing more sleep

- Suppressed Appetite

IMO, if you have good quality var you don't have to go over 60mg per day. I have no idea how guys handle the sides at over 60mg per day, unless they are using underdosed var, or a bunk product. The constant feelings of upset stomach and nausea was enough of a sign to me to lower my dose.

Everything you need to know about Anavar

Note: I did not write this article, and was unable to find out who did. However,I thought it was a very good read.

BENEFITS

Anavar is a badass drug. This is why:

#1 - Vascularity

Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.

#2 - Pumps

When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.

#3 - Strength

Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.

#4 - Fat Loss

Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .

MYTHS

Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.

False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.

Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic, and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.

This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 40mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.

If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT.

Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.

This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid/nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle. 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.

LIBIDO

The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.

#1 - Tribulus + Avena Sativa - Trib at 4-7g a day and Avena Sativa at 3-4g a day tend to help prevent any loss in performance or ability to get it up. However, using effective dosages is going to end up being as or more expensive than options 2 or 3...but its your call.

#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .

#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.

CYCLE

Anavar should be run @ at least 40mg a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, i cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.

Cycle #1

Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8

Tribulus 5-8g ED Weeks 1-12

Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12

Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #2

Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8

Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8

Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

Cycle #3

Anavar 40-50mg ED Weeks 1-8

Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8

Clomid 50mg ED Weeks 9-11

If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.

LIVER PROTECTION

Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid, and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.

It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .

1 - Milk Thistle

The classic liver protectant herb.supposedly works by blocking the entrance of harmful substances to liver cells, and hastening their expulsion. Make sure there is a high standardization of Silymarin

2 - R ALA

A powerful antioxidant

3 - NAC

Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione

4 - Vitamin C and E

Antioxidants

5 - LOADS of water

Helps to flush out your entire system

LIPID PROTECTION

Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...

1 - Flax Oil

Consuming lots of omega fatty acids promotes overall health, as well as helping to keep your lipid profile from becoming too bad.

2 - Policosanol

Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.

3 - Niacin

Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.

Yes, so far the total amount of the scam is still coming in, but it is over $15,000, and there are many more members just finding out after sending funds. Expect that number to be higher.

My apologies to those taken in on this scam! Karma's a bitch!

btw, look into a product called Long Jack. This will naturally help improve your sex drive. The Cialis/Viagra will help with erections.

Basically, with this combo, you're giving yourself the one, two punch leading up to a knockout! Lol

should i use Viagra or Cialis to give me some kick?

Hey Xtrem, yes either of those work well. If you use Viagra, it'll work for about 4 hours, takes a half and hour to kick in. DO NOT EAT A MEAL WITH VIAGRA AS THIS WILL EFFECT ABSORPTION!

Cialis will work up to 36 hours. It really is the weekend pill. One can eat or drink as this won't dampen the effects.

Imho, Viagra is stronger, but its a pain in the ass to time it just right. Plus I get more sides with Viagra, like facial flushing, headache.

Cialis is good, lasts much longer, and I can eat meals while on it.

My understanding is that the NEW oxide winny tabs are 50mg, there are several sources that still have the 65mg ones. A source on another board was running a special on oxide this week, and made sure to let everyone know that he still has the 65mg ones.

 

On a side note, there has been a rather long thread on another board about a source that goes by "OxideRep" being a scammer, and ripping off "The Man in China" for his oxide front. Oxiderep has been banned from most boards, but it you did business with him in the past, don't try to order from him now. Peace

Yeah, great point. OxideRep's scam took a lot of guys by surprise. The numbers are still coming in, but it looks like he took in $20,000+ :wacko:

guys

 

Height 5,3

Weight 160

BF% 9-10

Previous cycle Test E-Test P-Var for 12 Week

 

Next cycle

 

1-10 Wk Test P 200mg EOD

1-8 Wk Tren Ace 100mg EOD

3-10 Wk Var 100mg ED

1-10 Wk HCG 250IU E3D

 

PCT

 

1-2 Wk 100mg Clomid

3-4 Wk 50mg Clomid

 

What is the max tren dose any one can tolarate?

 

is Var dose hight enough i have tried 50mg and worked fine but i need to get the max out of this cycle?

 

Should i use HCG from Wk1 or Wk3?

 

any other comment?

The Var dose is too high IMO. 50mg is ideal.

I have experience using doses above 60mg Var, and it lead to too many unnecessary side effects such as:

- Nausea

- Lowered libido

- Stomach upset

- Fatigue and needing more sleep

- Suppressed Appetite

- Extreme Lethargy

IMO, if you have good quality var you don't have to go over 60mg per day. I have no idea how guys handle the sides at over 60mg per day, unless they are using underdosed var, or a bunk product. The constant feelings of upset stomach and nausea was enough of a sign to me to lower my dose.

You can buy a pill splitter. A good one only costs about 12 bucks, they work great. You put the pill In a little box, close it and when you open the pill is split perfectly. Don't buy a cheap one. You will open and find crumbs.

This is a good post! For years, I was cheap and used a knife. After I bought a pill splitter, it made things much easier, and more efficient!

I need some help, I read an article on the web that a lifter tried to pinpoint some fat areas with gh, however, when they tried the Helios it worked better than the gh. Has anyone had experience where the Helios worked better at burning fat?

 

Also, whats the injection amount on helios?

 

Thanks

 

eagle

It gets mixed reviews. I've heard that it hurts. It really adds up with injections ED.

Stick with the oral if you want clen. Given the choice, I'd choose ECA over clen. To me clen isn't worth it.

The injection amount is 40mcg

i want to do my first show next yr not sure which one yet im thinking about dropping the eq dont think i need it

Personally, I don't get much from EQ. I think its overrated! However, my friend who is a competitor swears by it. He says he uses it because it helps his tendons, and ligaments.

whats up guys need help on a cycle im 6ft3 300lbs 29yrs old 18%bf been doing gear for 8yrs ready to take it to the next level.i want to do my first show this yr this is what im thinking

1000 mg cyp a wk oxide

3 ml eq oxide

3 ml tren enanthate oxide

100 mg anavar oxide adex everyday

serostim 9 ius a day what do you guys think i want to do a pro cycle need your advice

Looks good! How many weeks counting down to the show are you at?

Perhaps within the 6 week out time frame you can consider running Halo, and/or Proviron.

Cannot justify the cost for human grade proviron at the dose and length it should be run for.

 

Ive run it before and wasn't really impressed that I can remember. Might give it one serious run @ 100mg and see whats up.

To each his own. Everyone's body reacts differently. However in terms of doses, there comes a point of diminishing returns. If one's proviron is of high quality, 50mg is an ideal dose, imo. :)

IMO, Proviron is VERY underrated, and doesn't get enough credit. By doing just 50mg per day, it can make a drastic difference in one's physique!

At 50mg per day, what is the max amount of time it should be used during a test cycle. Is there any feedback from members that have used GP Pro-V? What is the best brand out there? Thanks

It's not 17AA, so it has little impact on the liver. I've known guys use it for 8-10 weeks on cycle at a dose of 50mg per day.

Proviron is Proviron, there is no best brand. Human grade Proviron by Schering-Plough is ideal, but underground labs are fine as well!

Proviron is an interesting and often overlooked bodybuilding drug. It’s an orally active form of DHT (Dihydrotestosterone) and as such, a proviron cycle delivers all the good and all the bad that DHT has to offer the bodybuilder.

As for the good, DHT from a Proviron cycle is a pure androgen, but unlike testosterone, DHT doesn’t cause any water retention. DHT is what makes muscle “hard.” And it lowers SHBG (Sex hormone Binding Globulin) which prevents estrogen from forming. By preventing estrogen from forming, DHT can be used to prevent the aromatization of other steroids. This means that DHT from a proviron cycle can keep steroids in the testosterone family from converting to estrogen and causing in men estrogen related side effects like gynecomastia. DHT also contributes to erectile rigidity. All good stuff! There are drawbacks however, most notably prostate hypertrophy and hair loss. So one may say DHT is pure maleness.

n the past, DHT was regarded as the “bad” form of testosterone and there have been many products available to reduce it. For example, Proscar slows hair loss by reducing DHT, but it also lowers the desirable aspect, mentioned above, that DHT brings. One of the side effects of Proscar is possible impotence, so pick your poison.

So, we know DHT can be tricky and we know we need it. But, where does Proviron fall into the equation? Well, proviron can be a nice addition to any cycle for a variety of reasons. Since it lowers SHBG it allows for more total testosterone to become bioavailable. Up to 90% of testosterone, be it natural or administered, remains in a “bound” state (due to SHBG) rendering it useless for building muscle. Proviron releases more active testosterone into the bloodstream so you can get more of its benefits.

Proviron also works well as an anti estrogen, in fact, it’s superior to most traditional anti e’s such as Nolvadex because there is no rebound effect. Instead of removing estrogen, proviron prevents the formation of estrogen in the first place.

Proviron is excellent for contest preparation because it adds density and definition. You see, androgen receptors are found in your fat cells as well as muscle cells and DHT binds so well that there’s a distinct fat burning effect from its use.

Many people use Proviron in between cycles to maintain muscle gains and libido. However, DHT will not do much in regard to maintaining muscle. And as with any drug, a tolerance is developed over time so using Proviron to help a lagging libido will just add to further suppression once the use of the drug has ceased.

The main downside of Proviron is that since it contains no anabolic properties, it will not result in much muscle growth if used alone. It truly is a “kicker” to other steroids, most notably testosterone. And although it doesn’t cause water retention, it can increase blood pressure. DHT can also increase irritability if duration exceeds more than a few weeks.

There have recently been advances in natural alternatives to Proviron. Avenacosides have been shown to lower SHBG and to raise free testosterone by as much as 20%. Since Proviron is used mostly as an ancillary substance and does not have much of an effect of actual growth, more and more people are opting to go the natural route. Although Avenacosides won’t work quite as well, they are effective and can be used in conjunction with a lower dose of Proviron for an even more powerful muscle hardening/libido enhancing effect.

Dosage: avg 50-75mg per day

A two-year study of how well glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate slows cartilage loss in patients with arthritis could not show that the popular nutritional supplements worked any better than sugar pills. Geez, I hope Bob Wilson doesn’t read this post cause he swears by the stuff!

“We don’t have good evidence that it slows (disease) progression,” says rheumatologist Allen Sawitzke, professor of internal medicine at the University of Utah and lead investigator.

Glucosamine & Chondroitin

The combination glucosamine chondroitin is very popular amongst bodybuilders and competitive powerlifters and is the sixth-top-selling supplement in the US, with annual sales of $831 million in 2007. This study is a follow-up to a 2006 study that looked at whether the supplements did a better job than sugar pills or the arthritis pain medication Celebrex in diminishing pain in patients with osteoarthritis. Researchers continued to give patients the supplements, sugar pills or Celebrex, and measured whether the space between their knee joints decreased (a measure of whether the cartilage was breaking down). The two-year study didn’t show that anything worked better than the placebo to slow the progress of the disease.

I " F'd " up and ended up getting two bottles of Masteron, one being Masteron prop and the other being Masteron " e "....

 

So I have 20cc to last me from July 1st to Sept 1st ( approx 8 weeks )

 

Masteron e = 200mg

Masteron p = 100mg.

 

 

Any ideas on how I should do this without picking anymore up ????

 

thanks

K-

Is that all you have? Any Test? What does your cycle look like?

my freinds is taking half cc mon/thurs and is getting what seems to be test flu it is test 300 by the way has anyone heard of this and by the way i dont no why he is taking it like that

It happens, but passes as quickly as it comes on.

Ok,

so I load my syringe with IGF , throw it in my bag and head to the gym, approx 2hrs later directly after my workout im in my car taking the shot.

 

Is it OK for the IGF to sit in my bag or car for 2 hours ?

 

 

Thanks

K-

Yes, it'll be fine.

Haha, Well, I've always been a Lindsay Lohan fan, had her up as my avatar for years now! LOL!