hunterboy

I get it about once every 6 shots or so,,, no fun,, I always figured it was from hitting a vein,, that's why you don't get it all the time.

Hey bro, I was in the same situation , ( not quite as big) but always had stubborn belly fat,,

Carb back loading,, worked for me

http://www.schwarzenegger.com/fitness/post/carb-back-loading-whats-old-is-new

Forgot to add , 30 minutes cardio everyday,, preferably morning on an empty stomach,, if I miss that then whenever I can get it done.

I try & workout 1 muscle per week,, a typical week will look like

Day one ; chest & abbs

Day two; legs , calfs

Day three ; back & bi 's

Day four ; off,, or maybe abbs & cardio

Day five; shoulders & tri's

Day six; off

Day seven ; start over.

Without getting into details , I generally do 5-6 sets of major muscle groups, 3-4 of minor muscle groups. Major muscles,,

Chest, legs, back, shoulders,,

This is very basic, I've been lifting 20+ years, so I defiantly mix it up, & vary intensity, blasting,, cruising,, ( I guess that's the new term. ;). Stick with the basic exercises as other guys said ,, don't be afraid to ask for help from experienced guys at the gym.

You're young,, stick with it like I said before ,for about a year naturally & you're body will transform , if you keep you're diet in check,, hardest thing for me , & most guys,,, Hope this helps.

I get people asking me occasionally,, who have only been lifting a month or 2 ,, what should I do for a cycle? My advice , train hard for at least a year, diet , cardio, learn the basics,, & the lifestyle,, after a year do you're first cycle,, something like test, deca, dbol. ,, I guarantee you will explode,, you only get 1 first cycle, My 2cc anyway.

Good thread ,, thanks. CF.

Tren's a helluv a drug. ;). Good thread & it's nice there's alot of older guys like myself (51), like guys said I've liked them all,, my favorite is tren,, 700wk,, test prop 300-400 wk , mast 400 wk. anavar 50 mg day,, lean & mean,,, I'm on a new one right now,, for me anyhow. ,, eq at 600 wk,, test e, 300,wk , oral winny at 100mg day , I'm only 2 wks in but feel strong & lean,, I'll see how my joints do on the winny I may have to drop it.

I'm not competing or have anything to prove , & low doses work well for me,, I work out with guys running 2000 mg gear a week,,

I've done up to 1.5 gram week, for me, the extra gains / & more sides from say 750mg is minimal, so I don't bother, also that time I ran that high my sex drive decreased significantly. , Was using an al,, but maybe estrogen was high,

I have highest sex drive on about 500mg week.

Back to the top, I was doing a search on primo & ran across this thread. Being a young 50 , I got alot of identification , now if I can just get my GF to do 50 mg primo a week,,,

Masteron makes me piss about twice as much as normal.

I know its been said a hundred times,, but I was on a 6 week test E , EQ, 2wk dbol,,im no rookie,but I was clean since last july, so I got good results, I switched 1 week ago to 400mg tren A,, 400 test P & 400 Mast A, wow,, slimmed right down, harden up like rock, & improved weights,, tren never ceases to amaze me,, there really is no other AAS that can compare,,IMO, im getting mean though,,have to watch it. :D

I'm taking .5 mg twice a week, first time using it, it's my first time not using a aromatase inhibitor , just caber & some mast p , & it seems to working well for me. One thing, caber makes me light headed for a few hours after I take it, so I've been taking it before bed, seems to work good.

another old timer here,, 50,, first juiced when i was 35,, & juiced on & off 10 years,got married, went completely off until i got divorced in early 2011,, still worked out the same,,i can honestly say it took 2 years for me to feel normal again, i did a cycle in 2011, & i took off like it was my first cycle,, since then i run 4 to 6 months completely clean, (still train),fall & winter. yes sex drive crash,s, about just like dirk,,the up side is,,my spring /summer cycles are much more effective my 2cc

GPZ x 4 ______________

i,m doing a light cycle of deca, test, & d-bol right now. ya i know, real old school,like myself,, i haven,t done any deca in at least 10 years, & forgot how well it makes my joints feel. that is the biggest problem with my weight training the last couple of years. i,m 49, & my joints haven,t felt this good in years. i was wondering if anyone has an explanation as to why? i can find plenty of anecdotal evidence but nothing scientific. does anyone have any op ions? thanks

I JUST FINISHED A TREN-E, 400 MG WK, 500 MG,SUSTENON, & 40 MG VAR ed. FOR 8 WKS. I GOT MORE VASCULAR, HARDER & STRONGER THAN ANY CYCLE I,VE EVER DONE. I WAS ONLY GONNA RUN THE TREN FOR 4 WEEKS, BUT DECIDED ON 8 WKS, DEPENDING ON HOW I FELT. REALLY HAPPY WITH THAT CYCLE. ALSO 25 MG PROVORINE, & OTHER ANCY,S. THE VAR ROCKED..

its been awhile since i,ve been on here, i still see a few familia names, but anyway,i,ve been natural for the lasy 2 years,& have 2 kits of Kexing hgh still in the package & have been in the refrigerator for 2 years. its probabley not good but any opions on it? i hate to waste it being the cheap bastard that i am.

I,d take the sustons for sure. My last batch of icns were really under dosed, i ended up selling them to some one at the gym. just got some karachi,s & had forgotten how good they are, as i,ve been running straight enthenates for the past couple of years. but these susts are kick ass.

nothing will shed fat as fast as that combonation, except maybe running tren & gh with it too. however you have to taper t-3 up slowly, 1 pill a day for 7 days, then 2 pills, 7 days, & so on, then taper back down the same way & i would not run it longer than 3 mos. run clen 2wks on, 2 wks off with ephedra. if you follow these guid lines you not have any problems

i know liquid research got busted about 3 or 4 months ago. there web site is still up though. i would try someone else bro. that being said. i used alot of there products before they got busted,& they were very good & legit. anybody have any currant info on them?

i,ve seen it before someone advertising d-bol on e bay. its a scam all the way stay away

Originally posted by titus

clen.tren winstrol.

& 75-100mcg of T-3 ,with 2,i.u. a day of hgh if you can afford it.

EXTREME CUTTER

this isn,t a lecture but ,,, when you start a cycle, first procure all youre stuff, including youre ancillarys. i admitt i,ve done the same thing before, but sometimes for 1 reason or another you might have to abruptly end a cycle. just try to plan ahead better next time

Originally posted by lamb88ert

is any test necessary with winny & tren?

Definately throw in at least a little test with tren & winny.tren will shut you down hard & fast. bump for what everyone else said also, tren & winny is an exceptional stack. :D

i,ve used them, there as good as any others i,ve used, animals,,mr. T,s