qbert

I have been keeping my test at 200 mg or lower while running tren and am very happy.

it's friggin 98 egres out and everyones' on tren doesnt help lol. to be fare rips are known to be overdosed and never gave pharm grade an IM shot. one day I'll compare them again.

Yes, the parabolan does not help.

Sounds good bro, I apologize for any bs. Nice build by the way in members photos.

You convinced me of shit other than you are one of the more confrontational members on the board that loves a debate. I have used one kit of pharm grade because that it was I could afford. I do not make that much money and this will probably be the only kit that I use. I am not tying to justify the expense of 1 kit to you or any other members of this board. I am just trying to tell you that you are delusional if you think generics compare to pharm grade. If myo loves rips than awesome. He is one of the bigger members on the board and a good bro, certainly entitled to his opinion like anyone else on this board.

qbert is right...if you can afford 10iu ed of humatrope they will be far superior to any 10iu of chinese gh. Test it out I have...10iu of humatrope for 3 months then take 10iu of kigs, or rips, or thanks for 3 months. It's true that are superior.

Thank you! Someone with experience in using both and knows what they are talking about. My issue is with the Chinese manufacturing plants of gh. Does anyone honestly think they give a fuck if there is only 2-3 ius per vial as opposed to the labeled 10 ius? Answer is no. What about all the fillers? Probably not. What about the serum test coming back a big fat 0? Inconsistency and no quality control. Pharm grade follows strict guidelines and what is written on the vial is what's in it. I do believe that some generics are of decent quality. Rips seem to be the more consistent, but comes with edema. The serums on rips are also consistently high, but to say that they are on the same level is simply not true.

I disagree with that completely as do many others.

Bullshit. You are going to honestly try and convince me that generics are on the same level as pharm grade? I could go on, but this is laughable. I have run multiple generic gh for years because that is what I could afford. Then I saved up and threw down for pharm grade. I used less ius, had less water, more lines, and virtually no sides. In combination with AAS and boom! All the bs going on right now with Chinese generics, people getting fucked and they continue to use it because it is cost effective. I don't fault anyone for this, but when someone tells me that generic is comparable to pharm grade I just don't buy it.

Correct me if I'm wrong here gentleman, but something doesn't make sense to me....

 

We hear talk about generics being bad. But, assuming both the generic and brand name drugs are human grade, the products should be virtually identical. I get skeptical when I hear someone with a financial interest in GH saying their one special type is so unique and powerful, particularly when it is just the brand name version of the same drug that exists in generic form and is made by a legit lab. Not referring to anyone on this board.

 

I could be way off base here and please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems odd.

Try generic hgh and then try pharm grade hgh. There is no comparison.

I also have heard there is no comparison. I like many others cannot consistently afford pharmaceutical grade gh and have used about every Chinese generic known to man. The best results that I have ever had were from Jintropin which gave me hope because I really started to see a difference in my physique. Hard to describe, muscles just started poppin and new lines everywhere. I just got some Serostim and will see if there really is a difference. I have been wondering for far to long. More to follow.

40mg caps?!?Holy shit! I would be a walking asshole with that. I have never heard of chemists making halo at that high of a dosage, but more power to you. My suggestion would be to start at 10mg and work your way up. 40mg is way to much in my opinion, especially if this is your first time using this compound. As far as personal experiences, I was strong, shredded, and a part-time asshole. Halo really accelerates my aggression. I have a post in Bman's thread about my halo experience as well if you care to read it.

Just my personal experience, but I have never had a "sense of well being" on legit halo. Always felt I was one step away from turning green and ripping out of my clothes like the Incredible Hulk when agitated enough.

More sensitivity and stronger loads.

This thread has me reconsidering Primo. I'm running test and tren with EQ right now, but that RBC thread has me concerned. I just need to find some Primo that's a) real and b) painless. If I can find some of that I'm down.

Bro, get a hold of Daman. I'm only using 625 mg EW primo and have no need/desire to go over that. Very happy with the results thus far.

Better is terms of what? They're both pharmaceutical. I have used both and no difference in gains if that's what you mean. Watson is cotton seed oil carrier and super thick. Makes pushing it through a 23 G a bitch in less heated up a bit. I get no PIP from using both and prefer whatever is available at the time. I would say get what is the cheaper of your co pay.

What about Jino's real ones? Thats human grade stuff right?

Bro, I will tell you this. I have been on Jintropin straight from the factory (Ukraine) 4ius ED for approximately 4-6 weeks and the results are amazing. I am also taking other compounds TPP, Parabolan, and Primo as well and loving it. Water retention is not that bad for me either and could vary from person to person, but I've actually dropped a little weight and look bigger. Sometimes I don't look in the mirror for a couple days and then when I walk by to the shower think "holy fuck!" who is that. Changes are coming fast.

TPP, Parabolan, GH, Primo oh my god.

Agree with the above, I would never put gh in the freezer and don't know why one would, but it is always in my refrigerator before and after I reconstitute it. Never had a problem with potency to date.

What brand do you use for aromasin?

Look into MP bro, I think he is a sponsor here.

Bro, I will tell you this. I used letro once. That shit hurt my joints sooo bad and destroyed my cholesterol to the point that I will never touch that shit again. Hard time getting or keeping boners too. I believe I was using .25 E3D at the time and being how you are not prone to gyno problems then why bring a bazooka to a gun fight? If you are looking to try something else maybe look into Aromasin. I am using it at 25 mg EOD and I stay dry with no gyno problems at all. Great wood and no estro rebound. Dig it.

I wish I was running 2 G's a week!

Interested in this as well. I just got blood work done any my physician stated that my liver values were slightly elevated as well. HRT, I don't drink, no orals for a long time, exercise my ass off, and I have a great diet. Frustrating to say the least. I will be starting Liv-52 and am subscribed to this thread.

The times that I have run the acetate version I also found the ED was better than EOD, at least for me. Sides seemed less prominent for some reason (sweating, irritability, and so on). I also adjusted mt test dosage as well. Tren is going to put some solid muscle on you as long as your diet and workouts are on point so I didn't see the need to run mid to high doses of test. I typically stayed around 300mg or so depending on my penis mainly, but that is a whole different story. I found this tolerable for me, but 10 people may have 10 different reactions to any given compound. Hope this helps bro and good luck. This is just from my personal experience only with this particular compound.

I have never experienced this side effect from anavar. The only side that I get is being shredded.

Well, to be honest that's a lot of tren for some people myself included. Shit is powerful as I am sure you are aware being "resistant" to it. You didn't state what kind of tren that you are going to use. Acetate, Enanthate, Hex, Multi-Ester......ect. I would certainly use different dosages for each ester.

Sorry for your situation Magnum, this is surprising.

I shouldn't have made such a general statement, but MY insurance will now only pay for a month supply at a time. They used to pay for the 10ml vials but since that's almost a 3 month supply (200mgs/wk) they no longer reimburse for it. I have to get the 1ml vials (4 per month). I actually like the 1ml vials better but I hate paying up for the brand. CVS only seems to stock the brand (Pfizer) 1ml vials. I have $250 deductible for brand drugs, which I'll hit next month. Then the co-pay will be like $10 for 4 1ml vials.

Thanks for the explanation JA. I used to get the 1ml Paddock vials and then switched to Sandoz 10ml vials. As of late I switched over to Watson 10ml and have never went back for no particular reason. All of them are great and I am fortunate to have them available. I go through a compounding pharmacy that carries all 3, but I am sure that this can change in the future as circumstance dictate.