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You take whatever dose is printed on the prescription label attached to the box... The script on the box right in front of me says inject 18iu subcutaneously every night at bedtime. This is from an AIDS patient. Every single box of Serostim I've gotten has the same thing on the label from the pharmacy.
LOL @ "Big" Cat. What a moronic post by one of the most moronic members on this board. Just note the logic?
As far as the seros, why would you want to take the prescription advice of Merch/Serono when you have "Super Mod" Italian Muscle telling you the "real" truth.
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Ok. Ive had enough of this. It's time to come clean.
I am GK15.
There...I feel so much better.
Oh, we've had our eye on you. We've had our eye on you for a long time. A long, long time.
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I got no problem with you IM but seriously.....you were there the same way everyone else was there....
Quote From Italianmuscle:
Neverland's Hell / Re: Professional muscle bs
« on: February 26, 2013, 11:14:00 PM »
Quote from: 1500 on February 26, 2013, 08:26:01 PM
Why hasn't someone kicked the shit out of Phil Filt Hernon yet? He's burned more people than most scammers combined. The sad part is some newbies aren't even aware they're getting screwed by that piece of shit.
Because when someone speaks the truth over there, the Mods ban them and they delete the threads. Board is too corrupt, they care about money and not the average guy like us. Thats what separates this place and a few others from ProMuscle.. GH15 and his staff care about the members here, and what we put into our bodies. I like coming here because people speak freely, and there is no hidden agenda, just people helping others.
daron_e, I am so, so, so fucking sorry. I misread your thread. I thought you were talking about me. All my mind focused on was the "same as everybody else" and thought you meant me. And that is a charge I admit to freely. I was a huge supporter of gh15 back in the GetBig days but once he started his own board and got absolute power over the members and started banning people on a whim things change. And as people change we, meaning me, can change their opinion of them as well. There is nothing hypocritical about that at all.
You were always one of the good guys there. Thought for yourself. Had honor and integrity. You were there like everybody else but once you saw what was going on you just bowed out. You didn't bash anybody for staying or called them kool-aide drinkers. You just decided this just wasn't your scene. All this threatening families and calling out for members to dig into other people's histories. All this kigtropin drama. Just not your scene you just bowed out with dignity and class.
Again, sorry for misreading you post. It's just unbelievable for me that such an esteemed "super mod" like IM would dedicate an entire and separate thread devoted to me for such a trivial issue.
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I got no problem with you IM but seriously.....you were there the same way everyone else was there....
Quote From Italianmuscle:
Neverland's Hell / Re: Professional muscle bs
« on: February 26, 2013, 11:14:00 PM »
Quote from: 1500 on February 26, 2013, 08:26:01 PM
Why hasn't someone kicked the shit out of Phil Filt Hernon yet? He's burned more people than most scammers combined. The sad part is some newbies aren't even aware they're getting screwed by that piece of shit.
Because when someone speaks the truth over there, the Mods ban them and they delete the threads. Board is too corrupt, they care about money and not the average guy like us. Thats what separates this place and a few others from ProMuscle.. GH15 and his staff care about the members here, and what we put into our bodies. I like coming here because people speak freely, and there is no hidden agenda, just people helping others.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I was on the gh15 board. I was a supporter of gh15 since day one when he was on GetBig. gh15 was at his best on GetBig where he was challenged constantly and had to defend himself constantly. Once he got his own board, presumably to promote more free speech and honest discussion, he started to change. Started to believe his own hype. Started acting like a tyrant. Not allowing people to post on GetBig, not allowing any talk about generic gh, not allowing any talk about home brewing, threatening people -- posting pictures of their families and even their children, threatening to rat out sources like AgentYes, protecting strango and deleting my posts when I warned people to back off for now on ordering because strango was having issues (when he broke up with his wife).
gh15 and Lean destroyed their own board.
But this beef has nothing to do with gh15. It was because I said that no one on the Mr. O stage today go there not exceeding 5iu/day of gh. That's when IM made his punk ass bitch remark "Just 'curious', have you ever talked to Cutler of Heath..." Give a fucking break. The guys is an arrogant prick that thinks he knows better than everybody regarding things he know nothing about. Insulting sources here by saying that NO ONE can make 300mg/ml of Test Cyp without it crashing. Having not brewed shit himself he's telling sources what they can and cannot do. Implying that Meck/Serono is wrong about what THEY prescribe the dosage used printed clearly on their product. Yeah, he knows better than Serono.
Then he tells a bald face lie about how someone AFTER he turns pro is now doing better running half the dose he was before. Think about that. You turn pro. Meaning you take bbing VERY seriously and want to make a living at it. You finally turn pro, achieving something that many, many fail at. Now you're competing with the big boys. Now it's really serious. So what do you do? You back off. You do less than what you did to get there in the first place.
The conceited little prick lies through his teeth. He wants to prop him up like some sort of guru and hates it when people go to guys like cagefreak for the real truth instead of him.
So let me ask you a straight and honest question and I want you to give me your opinion, do you think there is anyone of the O stage today that got there using less than 5ius/day of gh?
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Just read the first post of this thread and saw the name "Uncle Z"
LOL!
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Since you have no respect for PDs thread, and you were asked nicely by GK to take it somewhere else, I took the liberty to start this thread here.. Lets start with your recent post
Im back peddling? LOL.. That HGH advice you gave is reckless, and something that you were brainwashed with at gh15 boardings and his posse.
Again, I have no fucking clue what a top rank pro that competes in the olympia uses. I can probably guess, but I would probably be way off.
For shits and giggles, I contacted a friend who just turned pro, and asked him, and he said he uses half of what he used to use before he became pro. And this is advice given to him by his coach, who trains current IFBB pros and top ranked national athletes. Ill ask my friend if I can mention his name, and you can inquire yourself. For shits and giggles of course.
Show me one fucking post where I kissed gh15 ass. I sat back and watched all you fools fall for the biggest HGH scam on the net.. the magical kigtropin. I was banned because I talked shit about him and his forum here at AB. You were sucking his cock and drinking the koolaid, long before I ever was a member there. Wheres that bitch now? Heard you can put me in touch with him so I can get a deal on some carpet.. Please have him contact me here via PM. I have 5 rentals that need carpet and cash on hand to spend.
Looking forward to more hgh and cycle advice from you. Next you'll tell me and everyone, you can run dbol at 100mg ED all year, along with 100mg tren ED all year, with 3g of Test/week. Oh, and lets not forget the 20ius of HGH everyday, that I can for surely afford to use too. LMAO!
Holy shit! I just stumbled onto this thread right now. I had no idea how much I butt hurt the little crybabby faggot, IM. You actually started and devoted a special thread for little ole me. I've never had such an honor. But, then again, I never got inside a queer little head so bad like I did you. So, how many times have you cried yourself to sleep after the verbal beating I gave you on PD's thread? You actually started a whole new thread all about me. LOL! What a pussy.
But, let's briefly review for the fans:
A member, "Gain Train" claimed that, "I don't think more is better on HGH... 4-5 IUS ED max" Now, is there anyone here that believes that? If so, have the balls to speak up. 4-5 ius is the max anyone should take? Who believes that? Dynasty, you're getting close to pro level. I'm sure you know way more about the inside game than IM? Is that true for you? You never, and don't see the need, to take more than 4-5ius/day? You're close friends with CageFreak. He claimed that Ronnie told him he was taking 90-100ius/day of pharm grade during his peak Olympia years. Is Cage lying to us? Why would he say a 100iu when 50ius/day would still be just as shocking? Why say something so out of what anybody would guess?
So I made the seemingly innocuously comment that
No one will ever win the Olympia today on 5ius of HGH. No one.The common, and most useful reply, given to a serious competitive bber when it is asked how much hgh should be used -- "as much as you can afford".
Is that such a crazy and irresponsible thing to say?
That's when ass muncher Italian "Muscle" gets his cum soaked panties in a bunch and makes the pussy ass, sarcastic comment, "Just curious, how you would know? Did Heath or Cutler mention their Olympia cycle to you?"
How would I know? Sure, I don't know if Heath or Cutler takes more than a 500mg of test/wk. I don't even know if they even take the Test at all. But remember that big word I used, IM? Did you manage to google it? Remember the word "extrapolate"? Sometimes you don't have to be somebody's bathroom like you are with your boy friend as you bend over the toilet taking a stiff one up the rectum.
Again, does anybody want to dispute the belief that Cutler (during his Mr.O reign) and Heath take/took more than 4-5 ius a day? Anybody? Are you that afraid of pissing off IM because he's a "super" mod on a board nobody goes to and not defend the truth?
And everyone knows the throw away line "as much as you can afford" simply because the cost of hgh is the limiting factor. That few can afford even 10ius a day of pharm grade, and yes, IM, I think those standing on the Mr. O stage take more or have taken more than 10ius/day. Anybody here dispute that?
IM knows this too and would admit it if a gun was put to his head but he's just being his typical arrogant, know-it-all, cum slurper.
As far as the gh15 board. He was there and was a kool aide drinker like everyone else. The idea that he was there "just to watch all us fools" is a fucking lie. Just a bald face lie. Does anybody really believe that? Someone spends all that time on a board asking questions and getting involved in discussions because he just wants to laugh at all the fools. Fools like ergo who was the lead Mod and is way more knowledgeable than you and whose physique, though in his mid fifties, blow you away.
You remember ergo, don't you? Try call him a groupie to his face.
And I left and was later banned on that board so I don't have any posts to show you. But what is an indisputable fact is that you signed up for that board and were on it posting like everybody else. And anybody that was there in the mod section knows that nobody fought with gh15 more than I did and tried to get that board on track as gh15 and Lean started going Nazi on everybody.
I don't remember you ever questioning gh15 on anything. Yeah, you talk shit about him on other boards but never had the balls like I did to even question him on his board like I did, you phaggot pussy! On his board you were always either on your knees mouth open or on all fours spreading your ass cheeks saying, "No need for lube my dear god of hormonas. Just do it dry and raw."
You started this shit fuck face so lets do it. This is not my first pissing match, I can assure you.
http://anabolicboard.com/forums/showthread.php/24724-Platinum-Direct-Your-Generic-HGH-Source/page95
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Whoa, whoa...careful guys. I said the exact same thing you two did earlier in the thread, but I was then chastised & told I know nothing about genetics.
Thomas Sowell once remarked that so much of a person's life is determined on the day you're born.
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Probably need a lot of Xanax to take the edge off before wrestling with some rich old guy to pay for your drugs. Anyone ever see Branch Warrens training partner Johnny Jacksons muscle worship website back in the day on muscle mayhem? I'd stack some ambien myself and go for full on blackout. Unless your into it of course? I suppose then your predisposed genetics of homosexuality would give you a genetic edge.
Being a homo probably gives one a better insight into what appeals to other homos. That will definitely give you a big advantage in this "sport".
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Just so we're all clear. Genetics means the ability to consume super high doses of drugs and stay "relatively" healthy. If someone feels otherwise I will pull up pictures of these genetic gods when off the juice just to give you a reality check.
Not just your ability to tolerate drugs but your response to these hormones and peptides.
Just like a person's response to training varies wildly so does an individual's response to PEDs.
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What's the best workout routine for me to turn pro?
What are the best foods to eat for me to turn pro?
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I dont and here is why:
There is enough BA in the oils from the AAS to keep any infectious impurities form causing an infection.
I was under the impression that BA INHIBITS bacteria growth but doesn't actually kill it. I remember when Greg Valentino use to say how sloppy he was during the injection procedure. That sometimes he'd drop the syringe on the ground and just pick it up and continue to draw from the vial without even wiping the pin with alcohol. Seems whatever impurities his needle picked up off the ground wasn't killed when he stuck it in the vial.
Do you think that if you reused the same needle, both for injecting and drawing without at least wiping it down with alcohol that you're an infection waiting to happen?
Mr.T of Finakits fame told me that if you are going to brew from pellets and use oil from the grocery store (this is at the time when getting sterile oil wasn't so easy) that you should bake it for at least 20 minutes (he recommended 30) and then filter it. The heating would kill all the bacteria and the filtering would remove the impurities inherent in cooking oil.
I figure if I'm going to shoot something into my body I would always want to err on the safe side.
There was a time that I didn't trust any UG gear and would always treat it with UVC light before an injection.
Maybe I'm just paranoid but it really wasn't much trouble to take these precautions.
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I dont and here is why:
There is enough BA in the oils from the AAS to keep any infectious impurities form causing an infection.
I was under the impression that BA INHIBITS bacteria growth but doesn't actually kill it. I remember when Greg Valentino use to say how sloppy he was during the injection procedure. That sometimes he'd drop the syringe on the ground and just pick it up and continue to draw from the vial without even wiping the pin with alcohol. Seems whatever impurities his needle picked up off the ground wasn't killed when he stuck it in the vial.
Do you think that if you reused the same needle, both for injecting and drawing without at least wiping it down with alcohol that you're an infection waiting to happen?
Mr.T of Finakits fame told me that if you are going to brew from pellets and use oil from the grocery store (this is at the time when getting sterile oil wasn't so easy) that you should bake it for at least 20 minutes (he recommended 30) and then filter it. The heating would kill all the bacteria and the filtering would remove the impurities inherent in cooking oil.
I figure if I'm going to shoot something into my body I would always want to err on the safe side.
There was a time that I didn't trust any UG gear and would always treat it with UVC light before an injection.
Maybe I'm just paranoid but it really wasn't much trouble to take these precautions.
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Exactly, so your paying for a 300mg product, when it all honesty its probably only 200mg. And as for All this talk now? Forgive me, but I brought these issues up awhile ago. Everyone is so chicken shit scared to say anything, which makes no sense. Its like you guys refuse to admit that you were duped. Sorry, but the primo enan 200 was underdosed, the cyp always crashed, and the sustanon 350 was extremely painful. And I did see pics of the water based suspension. Not even close to being right. Those are the only products I can comment on.
Strango had a water based suspension only briefly and discontinued it as he admitted he just couldn't do it.
I do remember you going on about his cyp and it crashing. That was never an issue with me and frankly, I wouldn't care. To me if a high dose product crashed it tells me that it is in fact dosed higher. I sometimes use to put vials in the fridge just to see if it will crash when the product seemed weak. I remember IP's Deca 400 would crash and I would have to heat it up. It didn't bother me at all and it assure me it was dosed high.
I get blood test every 3 months and I used 600mg/wk Watson Cyp that I get for my prescription and got tested. I waited about two weeks and switched over to 600mg/wk of strango's cyp. When it was time to get another blood test strango's tested a bit higher. Somewhere along the order of 250ng/ml.
I have a friend on TRT who for the last 3 years has been giving me his Watson cyp
for a vial of strango's cyp. That's all he takes and he says he can feel the difference. That make sense as strango's is dosed 300mg/ml.
The subject about very high dose gear came up on the gh15 board back when I was still a Mod there. Strango came on and dismissed the idea of all this 400-500mg/ml stuff. He went on to say how for years he experimented with super dosed gear. It just couldn't be done without crashing or extreme pain. He outline in some detail the ratio of powder, oil and solvents needed and it just didn't add up.
This would lead one to believe that if he couldn't make a product at a certain mg/ml then he wouldn't. There are many sources, sources with good reputations that advertise Test Cyp at 300mg/ml. They are either all lying or you might have to rethink your claim that Test cyp at 300mg/ml is "impossible". Of course this might just be hyperbole as you tend to speak in extremes, "the cyp ALWAYS crashed" (mine NEVER did nor did I ever get that complaint). "the sus was EXTREMELY painful" (never had any complaints about pain).
As a mod at the gh15 board I had to handle any complaints regarding sources.
Strango was the smoothest most complaint free source there. The few issues he did have was promptly taken care in a way that was more than satisfactory to the customer. In fact, some use to joke that they hope he screwed up on their order as it would mean they would be more than compensated for it. These complaints were done via PM as everyone on the board knew that strango was gh15's boy and was a protected source. My complaints regarding the preferential treatment given him, much to the detriment of the other sources, was well know so everyone felt comfortable expressing their concerns. Most of the complaints had to do with his lack of communication. I never had a complaint regarding his gear crashing or being painful. Never. Not once. I've had many complaints about other sources gear being painful but never strango's.
BTW, do you have any hands on experience in brewing gear?
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Of course he is, which is why I specifically refrained from mention the competing kits on the market. I hope that this clarifies my intentions when pointing out the flaws in any regent testing of this kind.
I didn't take that way at all. I, too, am suspicious of these test but when it comes from someone I trust, like Lewellyn, then I take it more seriously. Of course, the big flaw is that it doesn't test for potency which is probably the most common "corner cutting" that sources do. I'm surprise at all this talk NOW coming out about strango being underdosed. It is very hard for someone to tell if a product is 250mg/ml when it's suppose to be 300mg. Especially when it's stacked with other products which is usually the case. That's what makes it so tempting to sources.
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The problem with these regent testing kits is that they only identify a substance exists and not the quantity of said substance. Additionally, I do not put it past the Chinese raw suppliers to come up with a way to interact with these kits sans an active steroid component!
I guess it is the best we got for now....I am holding out for the first affordable USB connected home mass spectrometer. :p
I hear this argument with Chinese gh as well. But if they are going go through the trouble of developing a fake compound that is able test as the real thing, if that can really be done, why not just use the real thing?
Lewellyn is a good guy and is on our side.
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Just got this in my email from William Lewellyn's company, Molecular Nutrition.
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strange last testing bout 6months ago was done
test c 259 ish mg
npp 74 ish mg
tren ace 88mg
masteron 74 ish
test p 90ish
eq 212mg
anavar 10mg (25mg tab)
dbol 7mg
anadrol 7 ish recall
oils decent but orals very weak. last batch winstrol didn't have 1 zero trace mg fake total bunk, batch before was great :)
so yea was falling off :)
my boy can test anything hgh aas tell right down mg what we looking at
Can you please tell us how "your boy" can test anything down to the mg? These are not trivial test and you have to have access to some sophisticated equipment.
He could have a very profitable side business doing these test.
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I wasn't quite accurate when I said that Cage said that Ronnie used a kit of Seros a day. He said a "kit" a day. As someone pointed out, a kit of what? As it varies which brand. I asked Cage to clarify.
Quote Originally Posted by wutang View Post
Cage, can you clarify this as it has come up in another thread. When you said that Ronnie used a kit a day exactly a kit of what? Huma comes in different size kits, seros is 126...
his exact convo with me was long and drawn out as we discussed gear useage extensively, the bullet point was that after his first Olympia win he used the prize winnings exclusively on hgh in order to solidify his role as mr. Olympia....this is the reason he continued working until he won several Olympias because until his finaces were able to be supporeted by bodybuilding he needed to work as a cop to pay his day to day bills and his bodybuilding salary went to his gear..... he would exceed 100iu a day year round, basically hed rotate from 30iu 3x a day to 30iu 4x day....averaging out to be roughly 100iu a day or a "kit" a day, and it was always humatrope or seros as he simply couldn't afford to have bunk hgh at his level. -
Any Chinese organization capable of producing steroids and getting large quantities through customs has other income "interests" in this country of greater interest to the feds. That's why they would want a flip to get anything leading to something.
As for the folks saying look how little time others have gotten. Well let me tell you either they had a great lawyer or wel.... that other thing. I sure wouldn't do business with them. Federal drug busts don't end in 1-2 year sentences. Unless...
My understanding was, that once they get shut down they just reopen under another name. They don't give a shit about US and just do things for show but making money is always going to take priority.
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CF great thread, im still going through the earlier posts.
very grateful to have a pro here to give us some insight on the ins and outs of bodybuilding.
Many people ask this question and it might have been addressed here earlier as it is very common thing to ask.
I apologize if its somewhere earlier,
How do you feel about using multiple compounds at lower doses vs one compound at a very high dose?
As you go higher and higher with a compound it may lose effectiveness, at what point would you choose to stop adding more mg and add in a different compound for more syngergy?
As an example:
2g test per week
vs
1g test and 1.5g deca/EQ
As you go higher with test im sure there will come to a point where you would want to add other compounds.
Or is test always king at the pro level?
Already been asked. You're going to get pounded for repeat questions. It is worth reading the whole thread. A treasure load of information with no filt or balony.
BTW, did you ever graduate?
you knew me as Pellius
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1. How the hell did someone who looks like lean82 and with his personality, ever get in a high position in a bodybuilding board? He knew nothing, didnt look the part, AT ALL
2. How did strango, let his remailer get his real info? Strango ships him the gear, but id assume he accepts payment rom his mailer a secure way? Why did the main source not find a way to keep his identity secret from his remailer in case he did get busted? Just like he keeps it secret from us. YOu dont HAVE to let your remailer have info that can lead to you being busted, in order to trasnport product to him, and collect his money. Was he just lazy/ If so, very stupid on his part.
I'm not sure what version of Lean you are looking at but the ones on the net are very, very old. He was a very serious power lifter out of Westside and easily over 400 lbs, or more likely 500 lbs, of obesity personified. Strong as hell but morbidly obese. Lean today, or at least a few years ago when I knew him, is very, very impressive mountain of a man. As a legit powerlifter the muscle was there and just obscured but over 100 lbs of pure lard. I think at the time I knew him he was probably around 285lbs maybe 12%. Considering the physical challenges he has to live with, it is quite remarkable the transformation.
And Lean has just not some nobody. He was pretty well known in the bbing/PL community. In fact, it was ergo that brought him on the gh15 board.
And if you had read his early posts when he first got on that board (and your name looks familiar and I believe you were on gh15's board for a bit) Lean really had a compelling story.
Anyone who knew Lean prior to gh15 had nothing but admiration and respect for him. My problems with Lean was not so much that I didn't like him but that he didn't like me. I was constantly arguing with gh15 in the mod forum and Lean didn't think I was a true believer. Lean was/is eternally devoted to gh15 to the extent of worship. gh15 was like his father or rather his guru, his master, His Pai Mei, his Obi-wan Kenobi. It was an unhealthy devotion that had all the signs of a cult.
And that's exactly what gh15 wanted.
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I feel like your being generous. The amount of product / money / guns were talking about he'll get over 10 year sentence. Especially if he refuses to give information about his international connections. The feds are going to press the ever loving shit out of him to get any OC Chinese connection. That includes recommending larger sentences and the DA's will do whatever the feds say. He will be lucky to walkout of the can in 10.
A lot of wishful thinking on my part. Truth is, when it comes to the legal aspects I don't know shit and I'm just talking out of my ass. Just hoping against hope.
What I don't understand is, say strng does reveal his suppier, then what? We're going to raid China when we know they don't give a shit. I know raids do happen but I always thought it was for show. Like when they hosted the Olympics or when you want to give the impression that a blind eye is not being turned. But both sides realize that nothing is going to change.
wutang the gh15 groupie and his reckless hgh advice
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That's always been one of the special treats for our team of gh15 ninjas.