wutang

If I were to wager a guess, I doubt he can stay away entirely. Will likely use one of his "admin assistant" accounts to lay low and monitor the postings...

 

I mean, a true narcissist must know what is being typed about him right?

100% true!

I was actually a mod there early on strangely and resigned when I saw the bullshit going on behind the scenes. Exposing opposing members of other boards children..posting pics ..where they lived and encouraging violence. Some fucked up shit goes on there for sure. And Leans name and address are easy enough if he took money from people via a scam.

gh15 was a fanatical control freak. Remember when he had a meltdown in the mod forum after BigSport gave gh15 the finger? I remember BigSport because he was the very first that wasn't buying into his B.S. and saw right through him.

It took me years to figure it out.

Funny you mention Lean...that whole thing got brought up a few weeks ago shortly after everything happened & gh15 disappeared. Also came out that when he was "sick" he ordered a bunch of harsh compounds (halo specifically) from Omega - most likely utilizing the funds people donated to his gofundme or whatever he was using. Omega communicated this to Rearden, apparently expressing concern about the entirety of Lean's "situation."

 

As for the board, one of the mods mentioned in one of the now deleted threads that admin was "taking a leave of absence until an unknown date, but it is temporary."

 

 

Also, look at this (this was originally posted on gh15):

 

 

 

 

Thoughts wutang?

 

Didn't you say earlier ITT that you are Pellius? You were just brought up the other day over there.

Yes, I was one of the original mods, Pellius, and left the board (got banned after) after I realized that what the original mission of the board was anything but. There was a lot of back room funny business going on the behind the scenes. Spies were literally sent out to monitor boards like this one, GetBig, ProMus, Outlaw... to see what was being said about gh15 and even worse, what other member were saying outside the gh15 board. It had all the hallmarks of a cult. I was given a lot of slack but I wasn't going to drink the koolaid.

Lean has some very serious and legit congenital health issues. Things that will and continue to plague him for the rest of his life. I believe that has a lot to do with his mental issues. And I can't count the number of times he's been in and out of the hospital. His hormone abuse is just inexplicable to me. And he's still suckering people into financing his hormone abuse.

I was not exaggerating when I said he was a sociopath.

i can't see any pro bodybuilder 'sleep-walking' through any of his workouts. now yer just fooliando'ing with us, right.... c'mon.

Paul Dillett. I was there.

Watch some of Heath's vids where he is supposed to be trying to impress his audience. My teenage nephew pushes himself harder.

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edit: It won't let me type in all caps unfortunately. So I made the text bigger instead lol.

People like to make fun of gh15 and think he was some kid in his momma's basement. People still get mad at me and think I am naive but gh15 is a legend and changed the views and how we talk about the cult. People use his words and phrases not even knowing it came from him. He called out and exposed the liars and the scambags. How much hormones played a role and at the very advanced level it was all about hormones and hgh if you were ever going to advance. He wasn't afraid of BigA and IP. He was on the side of good. It was his ego and believing his own hype that made him so full of himself. He became a tyrant and his board a cult. He loss credibility and even some of the vets on his board mocked him in private. The one who really ruined that board was Lean. He tried to shake down sources for free stuff. Ran the board like a Nazi. Was on a power trip. gh15 is a narcissist but he isn't a loonateek. He's brilliant with a lot of character flaws. Lean is a sociopath. Something is truly not right with that guy and if you know his history it's not hard to see why.

What started out good, and could have been great, went so wrong. So horribly wrong.

With both of them now in hiding I don't know if anyone is supporting it so when the rent comes due this will be the end of a promising but failed era.

What the ever living fuck do people mean when they say Phil Heath has "good genetics"? The guy is fucking joke. You could just take SEO and insulin out of the game and he'd be on an NPC stage right now at 215 and looking 205.

 

Jesus fucking Christ are some of you delusional.

I'm no fan Heath but you don't become a multiple Mr. O winner without good genes. He's not taking or doing anything everybody else isn't doing on that stage. Phil, if he never bodybuild would be 165 lbs. His response to hormones is phenomenal.

People can rag on him all they want. Say how narrow he is, how he is the worse Olympia ever. Meanwhile, he has five Sandows sitting in his house. Consider he started bbing in 2002 and in less then ten years he was already Mr. O. Only Arnold roared through the ranks faster.

There are guys still competing before Heath even picked up a weight, and will still be chasing the dream after Health retires and puts this whole thing behind him. And he did it without doing anything special. If anything, he had a relatively easy road when you consider how he sleep walks through his workouts with his cell phone always within easy access and gets into pissing matches with nobodies on social media.

I hope for Strangos sake he didn't have guns present when he was busted. Licensed or not, that will add 5 years on top of whatever sentence he gets. Have to do 85% of your sentence as well. I would be willing to bet that his remailer did him in, and his case didn't go federal because he cooperated.

Strango loved guns. He carried concealed (mentioned the Glock 23 but who knows) and you can be sure he had a nice arsenal at home. Both homes I'm sure (I did not know about the Vegas digs).

Mom has an out or at the very least will get off relatively easy due to her high priced lawyer. I don't see anything but very bad times and a ruined life for strango. I think he will do ten years and after that career options will be very limited. I hope, and I'm pretty sure, he has something stashed away.

why are people saying the original guy sold lab about a year ago or so, any proof?

 

also, when he left his wife for this model,,how is it possible she did not snitcH? what wife would not snitch after being left,,,a bitter wife, on her husband if he had a business like this and was making millions,,90% of women would

 

so why do people think he was able to continue business after leaving wife? i would assume he would have been smart to stop right there, out of fear she would snitch on him as revenge, or demand hush money

I actually spoke at length to strango about this. She was in just as deep as he was but of course she could have always cut a deal with the Feds. Far more importantly was that she got use to a certain life style and that required a lot of money. Money that strango was paying her. No strango, no more money. She made out good. She no longer had to do shit but got a nice monthly check in the mail or however they worked it out. She's crying her eyes out right now.

I've always been curios of the name "strango". What the meaning was...

He said it meant "strong".

Lol I just wanted to know who you think the first gh15 was. Crazy maybe, but there was something about him that was contagious. I couldn't help but like some of the stuff he said.

I talked to him several times a week for nearly a decade. It was always the same guy. He changed over the years like we all do but it was the same person.

GH15 was/is the guy down in Florida.

Craig was thoroughly vetted and it wasn't even close.

You can't keep that info a secret.....

He just wanted to know if I was a mod at gh15 as I sounded familiar. And, yes, I was. I held the esteemed title of Jedi and Legend, Pellius. The first, and I believe only, to hold both titles simultaneously. Pulled a lot of poon in the cult back in those days.

So who do you think gh15 is/was??

Now your box is full.

So who do you think gh15 is/was??

I don't know. Spoke German, knew the bbing world inside and out, delusional, hated with a passion the murderer and his ugly wife, pro level gh use started at 15 ius pharma, love sushi and Five guys, followed Israeli politics very closely, Republican and worshiped Reagan and considers the 1980s to be America's best years in all aspects, practiced Michael Jackson's dance moves, loved dogs.

None of that ever changed since the day he first registered on GetBig. He changed, but it was and is always the same person.

It was not Nasser. No one was as pro Israel and a Zionist as gh15 was and made no bones about it. Nasser was not exactly pro Israel for obvious reasons.

When Nasser death was reported gh15 contacted me to contact a mutual friend who was in Egypt at the time and spent time with Nasser only days before his death to confirm if the rumor was true. Doesn't sound like Nasser t ome.

Also, gh15 was very active on his board while Nasser was in Egypt.

gh15 and I communicated regularly both before and after Nasser's death. It was the same guy.

The only thing that ever really "stunned" me was when ronnie coleman confessed that after his 1st olympia all the way to his last he used an entire kit of hgh a day. Thsts extreme even for me, but if I could afford it, id do it hands down lol....

 

And kevin english fasts completely for 24hrs preshow, I think thsts the fucking weirdest diet thing ive ever heard of, makes zero sense to me, and id never do it lol but works for him apparently.

Cage, can you clarify this as it has come up in another thread. When you said that Ronnie used a kit a day exactly a kit of what. Huma comes in different size kits, seros is 124...

Im tapping out ... Your right ..

So in memoriam of valiant and stunning defeat of this argument heres my new sig. I must say you were destined for greatness from the start .

 

"Ronnie coleman took 128 ius of serostim a day." - wutang

Maybe instead of starting off personally insulting someone just make your argument and if it's a good point it should be able to stand on it's own.

Just a heads up, Wutang is far from a nut hugger.

 

Also, CF is actually "Squints" Palledorous from "The Sandlot".

Well, maybe not a nut hugger but I have been tempted to cup yours tenderly from time to time.

and......gh15 is still missing...

What a coward. Always portraying himself as above it all. Working with the US and international governments -- lol. That he was protected and that he protected his "elves".

If any good comes out of this it will be the final nail in the coffin of the gh15 cult. People will finally see what a fraud he was.

Greed and complacency kept him from closing up shop and laying low. I'm sure when you are making the money he was that it is hard to walk away when you are accustomed to the lifestyle. Still sucks to see one of the good guys in the community go down the way he went.

Those may have picked up that in maybe the last two years or so he would come out of hiding and start participating on the boards subtly commenting on how business is being slow, how quality and TA are better than ever, in short; trying to drum up more business. He never did that when he was just a small time source keeping a low profile serving a tight knit small group making some extra side ching.

It's only when he got big, became a millionaire, when it became "not enough"

The more you have the more you want.

Let me be clear i have no issue with caged in fact i think he is a knowledgable important member of this community at ab and In no way am i claiming he knows little or that i am a more knowledgeable the he . Your putting words in my mouth in order to save yourself and trying to paint a picture that simply isnt there.

I get it your embarrassed you've been exposed as an internet fanboy whose willing to parrot wrongful information and pawn it of as truth to further your own doctorate in broscience. While Its apparent the extent of butt hurt you are is large so maybe the "mindless nutrider" was a lil over the top. Perhaps you'd feel better being called "mindless BRO-BOT"??

 

Since you seem to assume im being a "baby" . Let the "grown up" teach you something about the problem with your post. Your passing on second hand information that was conveyed through a median that provides end reader an answer to a question that carries ZERO credibility because the source is unknown. While caged MAY be a pro and he MAY have access to information that MAY be correct, does that mean it is ?Without knowing who caged is the information is simply not credible And while he has a good rep here and i see no reasons why anyone would dream up stories it simply is something to take into consideration but surely shouldnt be taken as truth.

 

Im not saying caged should reveal himself but his account holds no merit, at least in my book until his character is verified and even then it still only here-say .

 

That being said, knowing all that it certainly seems stupid of you to mention his stories like its 100% truth . Hence my gh15 comment .

 

 

So yea....whatever bro . Nice try trying to flip it on me.

 

FYI i aint gunna lose an ounce of sleep over losing internet respect from any man who worships false idols and parrots passed on fallacies of BRO-LOR.

Quite a meltdown, baby cakes.

First you bash Cage and compare him to gh15. And because I made reference to him I'm now a "nut-hugger" and "fan boy". Then you come back and praise him as knowledgeable and important. And you have a problem with me passing on second hand information. Let me educate on something, moron, everything you know, everything you do, from wiping your ass to aspirating the syringe in your ass, you learned from someone else. Everything you know and do is second, third, fourth... hand info. You've never had an original thought in your entire life.

And because it comes from the internet he has zero credibility but yet I'm suppose to listen to you? You here on the net?

Cage earned credibility not by bragging about his experience and the people he knows as you do. He earned it over time by sharing his experience and knowledge, not claiming that he has the final word. As time went on people began to realize he was no ordinary board rat. He seemed much more plugged into the scene and very well educated on all aspects of advanced bodybuilding. We, the board, began to seek him out. To go to him for his insights. Finally someone suggested we give him his own thread for ease and convenience. We came to him. We give him merit because he earned it over time. You may claim his account has no merit. That's your perogative. The board thinks otherwise.

What's clear is that you have no merit or credibility. Brag all you want. Put down Cage by saying his account has no merit and his information is not credible and in the same breath say how knowledgeable he is. We're suppose to dismiss information that comes off the net while here you are trying to dispense your views.

Your hypocritical and contradictory statements are not lost on this board. You have no credibility. Save your breath, hot head, no one cares what you think. Focus your energy elsewhere instead having meltdowns about what other people think and being jealous that others have more gravitas than you do.

BTW, "worships false idols"? Seriously? This is where you are coming from? For Fuck Sakes!

What a fanatic.

I don't think he got lazy. He was working his ass off. The money was just too good. He got sloppy and greedy. He went from a small time source to being a millionaire. When I was a mod of the gh15 broad and he had that issue with his wife and got behind and members were coming to me about what was ordered and owed, there was not a single order that was less than a grand.

Although strango swore that it would always be a one man operation (just he, his wife and mother) he just couldn't resist.

Greed, complacency or both will eventually do you in.

BOY you sir are a mindless nut rider.

cagedfreak has officially become the new gh15 .

 

Just because he says one thing does not make it gospel.

 

Things i believe in . i have seen/heard from experience. And ive been around the block long enough to know not to believe a person claiming their status ON THE FUCKING INTERNET!

Cage has been around long enough and his experience, in addition to his responses to the various questions pose, as well as how he conducts himself, has more than established his credibility. He never claimed to be a pro nor asked that a thread devoted to asking him questions be started. It was the members that asks that he have his own thread and it was others that determined he was an IFBB pro. He never bragged, as you do, about his experience and knowledge. That soon became apparent.

I can see you harbor some hurt feelings that nobody cares about the experience you claim or how many times you claim to have "been around the block." Maybe if you show people some respect and stop being a drama queen you'd have more credibility. Meanhwile, "Bigcat", keep pounding your spoon sitting on your high chair demanding people pay attention to you and I'll continue to yawn.

Lets just look at this logically. In fact, look at this from the perspective of what you would do. The only assumption is the you want to be the best bodybuilder that ever lived.

So Clown placed top ten on just over two grams of gear (I'm just going to count AAS for simplicity). But now he wants to win. I assume he knows a lot about training and knows what works best for him. How much more can manipulating his training help him advance? Does anyone think it is likely that any modification in his training is going to put on another 25 lbs of muscles in the next two years? How about his diet? Can eating more protein by itself going to do anything? How about sleeping more? My point is that at his advance stage he's pretty much maxed out on the training, diet, recovery triad. There's only one other factor left at the very advance level that will matter.

So he triples his dose and now at 6 grams a week he turns pro. How likely is a newly minted pro going start dominating the scene and start winning big shows? The pros are a whole different league. He has to up the dose if he just wants to be at the same level. How about if he wants to win? How about if he wants to be Mr Olympia? Say, he gets to be Mr. Olympia by using 8 grams, only two additional grams from the time he first turned pro. Now the likelihood of that considering diminishing returns is probably about zero but lets just play pretend.

But what about the next year and the year after? Everybody is chasing him and everybody is watching him. Will he be content just maintaining his original Mr. O. condition?

No matter what level you're at you will always want to get better and training and diet isn't going to do. The only assumption is that you want to win and will do whatever it takes to win. And after you beat everybody you now want to keep beating them over and over again. And then beat everybody that's ever lived.

Things start to go up fast. Very fast.

Granted that test dose seems low for an olympia competitor true but 18 iu of pharm grade is nothing to scoff at . Ronnie was a genetic freak as we all know . Who knows. I always lived by this motto:

 

believe none of what u hear and only half of what u see.

 

Thats being said ... If that cycle was true it really speaks for his genetics . Which is why he was a true genetic freak.

Cagefreak mentioned how even he was shocked when Ronnie told him he was using a kit of Seros A DAY!

18ius of gh/day yet only 2 grams of just test/week. LMFAO!