wutang

The brew process is also a factor. Heat oxidizes tren, so when you see that rust color tren they've used heat, and when its golden little to no heat was used in the brewing.

That may be true. But the change in color is a sign that something has changed. If I was a supplier I would mention that I've change my brewing protocol which resulted in a noticeable change in presentation. Again, with strango, when I pointed it out he got back to me saying

that was a labeling error. It told me that he isn't inspecting every vial that goes out. But, as was always his policy, he made good on the error -- and then some. There use to be this ongoing joke when I was on the gh15 board was that you HOPED that strango screwed up an order

because you would get so much free stuff. Miss that guy. Hope he's doing OK.

The issue with strango's tren was not so much the light color per se, but the CHANGE in color from his previous tren. If it's the same color for years and then all of a sudden it's different it leads one to believe that something has changed. Either oil, powder supplier or mislabeled. I had this issue last year with another supplier about their Tren E. Always the same color and then suddenly a much different hue.

Same supplier, both Tren E, the one on the right was the standard color. The one on the left was the one sent out.

Id say probably how its made or where the powder comes from. Id say probably golden but ive seen clearish, yellow and brown. Long as good source why does it matter the color

Well, it may be an indication if what you have is tren. I've brewed tren both from powders and pellets and have bought them UG and they

always have some kind of color to them. From dark brown to yellowish. I once got some from strango that was clear and sent him a pic.

He told me that was not tren and was mislabeled. The labeling was done by someone else and when he went to check there was a batch

that was mislabeled. With most other injects it one wouldn't be able to tell anything by the color. Just with tren.

The talk on increlex is speculation! I doubt anyone here knows anyone that has used it. So for the question about worth...we don't know because we don't know what it does in real world. We know what GH, slin and high test does. And the only "point of diminishing return" I have seen is how much GH you can afford.. how much food you can afford and how many receptors you have for high test. OH, and poor genetics.

 

Take 15-20iu of serostim a day combined with 30-40units of slin mixed with 2 1/2- 3 grams of test and you got a 300lb monster

Well, we can speculate to some degree of assurance what Increlex can do. We know what HGH can do and what it is about HGH that promotes muscle hypertrophy, i.e., the conversion of IGF-1. We know the a person's ability to convert HGH to IGF varies considerable. And with conversion there is diminishing returns other than cost. Everything has it's limits and the liver is only able to convert so much hgh at a time. I mean, I'm not sure if the liver was designed to fully process 30+ ius of hgh a day and as the level increases you get less of an effect. If a newbee jumps on a gram of Test/week that will make a huge difference. But if an experience bodybuilder goes from 10 grams/week to 11 grams will it really make that much of a difference?

With Increlex, with pure IGF-1, no conversion is necessary. You get it straight from the tap. No conversion. I'm sure that has it's upper limit as well but it is a step up. "Going to the next level" as is the expression. I am convince that the camel crew in Kuwait has access to pure IGF-1. If you have enough money you can get anything. Just like as you advance as a bodybuilder it's gets harder and harder to make even incremental gains. You max out. But look how much top of the top bodybuilders have manage to get even bigger when they made the move to

Kuwait. Look at Roelly. He was huge to begin with but now he's on "a different level." And have you seen Brandon Curry lately? That guy was the same for years but since the mover to Kuwait he looks, at least to me, top five Mr. O this time around. I mean, anabolic chicken only goes so far.

Check out Brandon Curry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rECo6BTXo0M

Quality control is the problem with generics. The contents can vary in each vial in the same kit. Some vials might have 10iu, some 7iu, some 4iu, hell some might have nothing. Then you're trusting a remailer not to mess with anything if using domestic service. This problem is not there with pharm grade GH. You know exactly what is in every single vial in every single kit. No bullshit fillers, each vial has the exact contents listed on the label, etc.

Kublai, the kigtropin guy in China, wanted me to rep the kigs on the boards. I would get three kits a month in return. He said that he has worked in the gh biz for many years and it has always been corrupt. He said you could order it any way you wanted. Meaning, each kit contains vials with 8,6,5.. whatever iu combo you wanted. The idea was that no one would be able to tell the difference. But this was before

the serum test where you can test a random vial in a kit. Rep is everything in this game so they now know that if a few vials from different

users are testing low then their rep, and consequently their product, will fall out of favor. With the Greys there was a unique circumstance

that occurred so that you can't dismiss them because one person got bunk. It came from one supplier, who conveniently disappeared, and it was sent d0mestic which increases the chances of it being tampered with. I am going to give the Greys another try getting them from TP this time.

I commented on PD's greys over in HGHPro's thread and said my second batch of greys were not giving any sides at 4 ius. These Chinese kits are apparently very hit or miss. The next kit I started was the same batch number and at 5 ius my hands and feet are falling asleep like a mf and my dreams are really intense and vivid. I had a dream last night that I was in a hand-to-hand death fuck with some mf and he got me on my back and in my dream a kicked him off of me. Only one problem, I actually kicked and kicked a tv tray next to the bed and sent marinara all over the fucking wall.

LOL! There seems to have been suspicion with PD's last domestic batch and after I try CBL's I'm going to give TP's Greys another shot

to give it fair shake. Considering Greys consistently test well and get good reviews I want to try it again. But, again, with the Chinese

you never know. You'd think by now they would figure out that if they just produce a decent product at a good price they will always

make money and develop a loyal customer base.

Wutang, please let us know and keep us posted if you switch to using the Greytops and get blood tests. Looking at testimonials and past posts and labs on a different board and from people here who used Greys when PD was around, they seem to be the best at consistent results.

 

Yes they cost more, but I’d pay that little extra just to make sure I am getting what I paid for and for that peace of mind.

Um, as stated in my first post, GreyTops were the first gh I tested.

You definitely needed a referral before he made the move to a certain board. Ever since then I dont think the refferal has been required. He will probably go back once he deals with a few of the dumbass members there.

My referral was requested and made last April.

Rips are long gone. TP was one of the major sources of rips back then. He just never changed the source name. Everybody already knew it was TP anyway

Well, not everybody. I haven't been on PM for many years and have never used TP until this last order. BTW, in my

case, I did have to provide a referral.

He is the Riptropin sponsor on PM

Oh, so he's under Riptropins. I didn't even know those were still out there. I remember trying them once years

ago and turned into a water balloon.

Thanks for the info. I check it out though I don't really like that board.

BTW, does TP have a separate sponsor thread like they do for sponsors here? I don't see it on PM though I do see dozens of other sponsor threads. It would be nice to have one so we can get regular updates on how things are going. Someone mentioned that he is out of black tops. How did you find that information? I find PM such a cluster filled board that it's hard to navigate. As soon as you log in you are met with a blast of advertisements and can't even find where you can log in.

I know they always vary, but just from what I have seen that seems very low. Could be how your body processes it rather than the gh itself. It would be nice to see how you do on some pharmaceutical gh. I'm definitely interested to see your numbers on CBL's gh. I appreciate the time and money invested to test the products.

Zero additional time and money. My insurance covers the blood test and I just requested to include an IGF test. No additional cost to me or the doctor and if a doctor signs off on for a test it's covered by insurance. Anybody that is getting regular blood work, and you should, just request an IGF test.

I know they always vary, but just from what I have seen that seems very low. Could be how your body processes it rather than the gh itself. It would be nice to see how you do on some pharmaceutical gh. I'm definitely interested to see your numbers on CBL's gh. I appreciate the time and money invested to test the products.

Yes, I'm keeping in mind that despite my lifestyle, my natural IGF level is below normal reference range. I would think being lean, active, on HRT, weight training, that I would at least be at normal levels. That may be an indication that I

am "weak" in the HGH/IGF production department. I do plan to continue using the Black Tops unless I find something better because at least it has hgh in it and it does raise my natural levels and I did feel some positive results -- especially in the sleep department. Very deep and restful -- which is always a good thing.

so all generic hgh is crap? big surprise.

Not sure how you come to that conclusion based on my original post.

That test seems off, I just saw blood work on 4iu a day along with 10iu injected the day of the test. He did the 10.iu because he got a serum and igf test. These were on the new mauve tops igf score was 479, and serum was 29.5.

 

I would contact TP with your results I'm sure he would do something to make it right. I was about to place an order this week, but he is out of black, and mauve. Only greys available right now.

Again, the results with an IGF test will vary among individuals. The serum test measures potency and will be fairly consistent among individuals. The IGF test measure how your body, your liver, is processing that HGH. Some that

I know and trust used Seros at 2iu/day six days a week and his IGF level was at only 283ng/ml.

One way to tell for sure is to be on legit pharm grade and see where that puts me. Of course I can use Increlex and bypass the liver completely -- lol. I don't want to live in Kuwait.

I'm going to start CBL's gh shortly and will do a comparison and post back.

When I said that Increlex was "for now" the holy grail in bodybuilding this is what will be the true Holy Grail and bury everything else as obsolete.

"A single injection will change you for the rest of your life into a hulk of the kind that Markus Ruehl would say: that much muscle just isn't aesthetic."

http://www.ergo-log.com/follistatin.html

Wow as much as I have been running my mouth lately, I should be doing what your doing. So igf range is 100-300? And you were 62 natural and 62 on 2ius greys and 107 on 2ius blacks#37. Well it's time for me to go have some test done. Damn good info and detail Wutang, we all need to do some testing. Thanks. Respect.

If you are on gear, and especially if you are over 35 because that's when lifestyle habits start to manifest itself, you should be getting a BT at least twice a year with a full metabolic panel so you know how the organs are holding up. It's nothing to ask your doctor to include an IGF test. So often people are hesitant and a bit meek when interacting with their doctor. Remember, he works for you. He gets paid from you. What does he care what you want tested as long as it's paid for. With generic gh being the most profitable in this corner of the biz, and the amount of fraud and scams that are routine with the Chinese, every batch of gh you get should be tested. Fork out the $50 for the serum test and/or get an igf test. I am not able to get a serum test in my State so I have to always wait a couple of months before I can get a meaningful result on the current gh I am using. PD's Greys were roundly praised and I am sure his stuff was good, until it wasn't, which corresponded exactly to when he disappeared or I would want my money back. I could have bought a high end refrigerator to replace the one I have that's going bad with the money I lost to PD

thats it only thing i do different is boil my water then after it cools just a little add the ba then put it in freezer to cool rapidly i dont let it freeze just get cold

Is that the Bacteriostatic water that you sell on your list?

Since I've been getting a lot of PMs regarding my IGF test on TP's Black Tops I decided to just start a separate thread. Last year I had an IGF test included in my routine blood test that I get every 3-4 months as part of my TRT protocol. I have not used any gh for around five years and prior to that I tried a variety of generics mostly from Nordic and HK. My first IGF test came back at 60 ng/ml. Because it was so low I waited another 3 months and got tested again. Again my levels were at 62 ng/ml. I got some Grey Tops from PD sent d0mestic about 3 months before he disappeared. After 2 months at 2ius/day my IGF results didn't budge a point. I then order Black Tops sent d0mestic from TP and used 2ius/day for two months. I just got my results back and it increased to 107 ng/ml. For clarity this was my protocol.

1. Batch #37 printed on the vial

2. Alternating IM and Subq. Hit the sack at midnight and pin at around 4:00 am when I get up to go to the bathroom. I get up a 8:00 AM.

3. 1 ml/100units of Bac water to constitute.

4. 20 units per night for five nights straight with one day off. Five injects per vial.

My TRT protocol is 200mg/wk Test Cyp and I add to that 250mg/wk EQ currently from BD. In addition, I take 50mcg t3, 25mg/wk aromasin, 1mg/wk arimidex. I never use Tylenol/Acetaminophen as someone asked. If bothered by excessive pain I always use ibruprofin.

I hope I answered all the questions posed to me via PM but if you have any other questions ask away. Again I want to point out that the IGF test, unlike the serum test, varies because it depends on how your body, how your liver, processes the hgh. That's what's great about increlex. It by-passes the liver and just goes straight to work. For an advance bodybuilder who are taking such huge doses of hgh they reach a point of diminishing returns. Your liver can only process so much gh. Increlex takes care of that.

According to my blood test, my liver functions are well within range. Of course, I had hoped that my levels would be much higher on the Black Tops as I'm still in the low normal range (reference: 100-300) and would like to be closer to 300 ng/ml. But I have not ruled out the possibility that I am "weak" in producing and processing hgh. I am lean, active, train intensely, on Test so I would think that at the very least I would have an average hgh level for someone my age (58 yrs.) and not below the reference range.

The only way I would be able to tell for sure is to get on pharm grade for a couple of months and see where that puts me but pharm grade is out of my budget. But, it does at least confirm to me that TP's Black Tops does have real HGH inside of it and it's certainly better than nothing.

I prefer bd syringes an terumo needles, but I got some nipro syringes to try. They come with a cover on the luer lock, I guess to help with sterility. I only know of one place still carrying terumo, and they were back ordered on 1 inch 25g needles. So they're getting much harder to come by.

Actually, I do like the design of the Nipro syringe. Just had bad experiences when preloading and having the rubber plunger break up and getting little black specs floating around.

I was talking about TP not HK. I'm pretty sure you were talking about HK, right?

Yes, I was talking about Homer. Sorry for the mixup.

Ordered from mdsupplies because hey had it for $11 and in stock. They just got back to me and said that you now need a prescription to order it. A script for sterile water? Oh brother, what next?

https://www.mdsupplies.com/medical-supplies-Hospira-Bacteriostatic-Water-30ml-Please-see-restrictions-tab-KF8BNGCMG5.html

I have had great results with all his products. I really done think I have ever seen a neg post about him or products. And people have tested the shit out his stuff. I will never go to another source for hgh. Respect.

Good products/Bad service. Been like that for the last ten years.

HK sucks dick so they removed him for being too gay and too slow

Yeah, if you're going to suck dick you have to do it fast. We have things to do, places to go.

I'm not sure what happened, but I dont see his section anymore. I never used HK due to weight time, PD was great, but TP's domestic is great if you need it fast. He also has a great sale, along with the new mauve tops being available. Same factory as meditropes, just 4mg per vial rather than 5.

What's "mauve" tops?