Thebaron2021

Do your oils flow through a 27g slin? I’m only looking for TRT dosing and would prefer to do subq because I’m going to do eod injections. 

2 hours ago, wallyd said:

So why are guys running cycles & keeping test lower than all other compounds included in their cycle? The rule of thumb for us older guys was test was always ran higher than anything else. Next thing you knew everyone wanted to run tren higher than test. Now im seeing guys run cycles with almost any compounds higher than test. Why the swing in the other direction? Is this based on “bro science” or real science?

well its for a few reasons. one is that higher test dosages create more symptoms from elevated estrogen and all kinds of other health issues. the ONLY real reason you need test in any cycle is as a replacement for the hormones your body wont be producing while you are running other hormones. 

the days of the test 500mg cycle as A BEGINNER CYCLE are long gone because frankly thats a ridiculous dosage for someone whos never used anything. theres far more data now that shows that a more appropriate dose for MANY REASONS for a beginner is actually 300mg a week. 500mg now would be like a 3rd cycle dose assuming you wanted to stick with test only cycles. 

side affects for lower dose test and including other compounds are less severe and health complications are less severe. heres an example

test e 300mg a week

npp 350mg a week

THAT will produce better results for most with LESS side affects than running test even higher which increases estrogen which would make the npp a potential problem and more estrogen equals less erections and all that jizz i mean jazz. 

anyway bro science says run high test but actual science says the opposite. 

On 6/28/2021 at 6:23 PM, testthewaters said:

Adding my initial review since I just started my cycle last week: Visions is a good dude, willing to help answer questions and explain anything about his products. He's a small op but it's obvious he takes pride in what he does. His labels have a cool personality to them. Most importantly, his stuff is smooth. I'm using his test e and primo and am not having any issues with PIP. It flows fairly well even through a 30g slin pin, and flows insanely fast through anything bigger. What's especially great is he blends his primo at 200mg/ml, which is good for me since I don't like pinning a ton of oil. I can already feel its effects. I'll drop by for an updated review once I get some bloods done in a few weeks. So far a good experience with him.

update? i just started his primo e at 500mg two weeks ago. how long did it take for you to notice the effects?

I started running his primo 200 at 500mg a week i split it into  3 shots...2 of 1ml each and 1 shot of 0.5ml and i barely have any PIP. i have noticable soreness for 4-5 days but nothing bad at all. im running it with 180mg of test e a week cutting from 260 for the next 16 weeks just to say what kind of body composition changes i make. 

Well I got my levels down to 200 so he finally prescribed me get this….

100mg every two weeks. 
 

he wants me to inject once every 2 weeks and only 100mg. 
 

wtf

On 8/12/2021 at 1:50 PM, gms585 said:

Tell him you now identify as Extra Male and you need this for you transition.

Boom.

Gender reassignment easy peasy  

Hahaha yes! This is the best comment ever. Extra male haha with all the crazy bullshit people say nowadays I bet you could manipulate the system in all kinds of ways by saying shit like that. 
 

1 hour ago, TheExperiment said:

Yeah just make sure to not take the injectable Test for right now and add orals and get your bloodwork checked again before going to the doctor. I know a lot of guys use "PrivateMDlabs" to get it checked before going to your doctor's appointment. Also, I'd possibly look into getting a new doctor. My recommendation would be to try and find one who is Sports/Athletes/Anti-aging minded or if they are transition/transsexual friendly/supporter. They are usually the newer type of docs who want you to be more on the upper side of the Test levels instead of lower.

Worst case scenario, you have to buy some Test E from our sponsors, which is not a bad thing since they are legit. 

Oh I already have test e from a very good sponsor here but I want to make sure I’m legal. I plan on running smalll cycles and I want to have the test script so my family doesn’t freak out after I gain 10-15 pounds. 

Yeah I had a guy 7 years ago who didn’t ask me any questions and just gave me a script for 200mg a week. This is a different doctor and they use a different lab where the low end of normal is only 200. Ridiculous. Mine was 223. I told him do you realize that even if I am within range I’m likely only within range first thing in the morning and by noon and likely the rest of the day and all night I’m below that. And considering my sex drive is garbage and it’s affecting my marriage having the LOWEST TESTOSTERONE at night when I finally have privacy with my wife is not ideal. 

10 minutes ago, Pupeye said:

Sounds like you need a new doctor, he/she is a moron.  Did they prescribe you 50mg twice a week or is that your own thing.  So it's really going to depend how long you have been using as it is building up in your system.  I think 50mg does is pretty low so it should clear in two weeks. Obviously the longer you wait the lower your score will be. 

You can try this site to get an idea. https://www.steroidplotter.com/

I’ve only pinned 5 times so just over 2 weeks at 100mg a week 

Doctor wants to recheck my testosterone levels he says they made a mistake prescribing me trt with a fucking total serum level of 223 he says it is within the normal range of the lab they use. Wtf. 
 

anyway I have been pinning 50mg twice a week of test E and I need to have my blood work again but I need my serum levels in the TOILET how long do I need to wait to get blood work? My last shot was 50mg 3 days ago. How long should I wait before repeating my blood work to show that my levels are even lower now???? 
 

how long for the test to clear my system so I can get another blood test showing lower levels????

Just saw on someone’s YouTube channel that John passed away. He was a good man I had the honor of meeting him several times. Prayers for his family he has children and they just lost their dad at a pretty young age. 

3 hours ago, Wetlook said:

Twigs is absolutely right, you have no idea what you are doing and I would take a step back and not go on anything if I were you until I figured shit out, and, oh, I don't know, maybe listen when more experienced people tell you things instead of demanding we do your research for you.

 

You don't deserve it, but here is an answer to your question:

The reason you wan to use a SERM first (and I would recommend raloxifene instead of nolva anyway) is that they are faster acting than AIs, plus you need some estrogen anyway.  With an AI, their method of action actually takes some time to work anyway, and you need to be monitoring your blood work to make sure your estrogen is at a good level, so what the fuck are you going to do in the meantime while you wait for the AI to work and wait for your blood results to come in?  Just have high estrogen for weeks at a time and get gyno?  Or take a fucking SERM and block that?  I know what I would do.  

That makes total sense. Thank you for actually explaining. Now I have acquired knowledge from someone instead of leaving this thread feeling stupid and having learned nothing.

have any of you tried p5p and vitamin e in place of using caber or prami to combat prolactin? I’d like to avoid using extra drugs if at all possible especially when they’re known to be hard on the heart. 
 

would there be anything wrong with this?

test e 300mg weeks 1-12

npp 300mg weeks 4-12

ralox if I can actually find it or nolva and adex on hand as you’ve noted above in case the estrogen causes noticeable undesirable sides 

and the p5p and vitamin e for prolactin BUT if for some reason that isn’t adequate I can have caber on hand and only use it if the combo of p5p and vitamin e isn’t sufficient. 
 

would it be overkill to add an oral on the tail end? 
 

im on trt at 100 mg a week currently 

39 minutes ago, twigs said:

You don't understand how these drugs work go ahead and do what you want.

Why not explain to me then where my information has been incorrect instead of encouraging me to make an apparent mistake. 

36 minutes ago, twigs said:

Never have had an issue with prolactin. Caber is another shit drug everyone takes before they even know they have a problem. There is so much fear mongering about these drugs when the ancillary drugs are far worse for you. I have used tren with nandrolone and not one issue. Prolactin induced gyno is very rare, prolactin induces lactation. I can't think of one person I know of or have heard of getting gyno while using nolva. The method behind prolactin causing gyno is still elevated estrogen. Nolva is going to bind to the receptors and prevent gyno.

But that means I’ll still have estrogen potentially way too high I’d just be hoping that the nolva actually keeps all of it from binding at the gland. So is it better to actually keep estrogen in check by using a low dose of adex and then only use nolva if that doesn’t work still rather than letting estrogen get potentially too high and relying on nolva to keep it from binding? 
 

I already had the surgery once I really don’t want to have to do that again. If I wasn’t scared I’d be using dbol too because I loved dbol holy shit felt awesome and it blew me the fuck up 

14 minutes ago, twigs said:

Primo will do what you want but the growth isn't as great as other compounds. It is a drier compound so slower growth. Wet compounds cause a faster growth. The recommendation for the serm is the way to go use some Nolvadex instead of AI. If you want to grow test and nandrolone.

What about prolactin? Nolva won’t help symptoms from nandrolone from what I’ve read don’t you need caber for that? Or p5p?

2 hours ago, Wetlook said:

Primo isn't a mass builder at all, so save your money. 

 

Use a SERM.

Primo and dbol as what Arnold built his physique with was it not? Primo seemed to work for him and isn’t it your diet more than the compound that actually decides weather you build mass or not? 
 

could you at least offer an alternative to primo as that was the entire point of my post asking for opinions on best mass building cycle for someone who’s estro sensitive and is definitely gyno prone 

I’ve only run a couple of cycles one was to bulk the other was to cut my first cycle was 500mg test for 10 weeks and dbol 45mg a day for 4 weeks definitely fucked with my nipples were cones. I don’t even remember if I ran an ai properly I know I had adex but I can’t remember how I dosed it I was young and stupid. Anyway I gained 35 pounds but gyno definitely got worse (had it from puberty)

anyway I’m on trt now I’m 38 and I want to run a bulk cycle but I want to be extra careful in regards to gyno already had the surgery and it came back. Not as bad as the first time by any means but he left enough gland that it definitely grew. 
 

I was thinking test e 300mg a week for 12 weeks

with 6 to 8 weeks of Tbol at 80mg 

maybe add in primo e at 400mg for 12 weeks    
 

thoughts? 

Picked up some ancillaries holy S H service is fast. 

Has anyone ordered from or even heard from this guy lately? Sent him an order 4 days ago and got no response and it says he hasn’t even been on here since June 27th 

Anyone use the primo 200? Pip? What dose did you run and what was your cycle? 

14 hours ago, Snachito said:

I like amino asylum, but other than that one I don't know of any other solid place, I'm sure there is more. 

Thank you! Unfortunately they’re sold out of the one thing I wanted haha but interesting I noticed they actually have a banned prohormone as one of their products. Not sure how they are getting away with that one but interesting. I guess technically it’s an actual steroid though not a pro hormone 

what have you used from them? Really want to try the BPC 157

I wasn’t sure where to post this. Please move it if it’s in the wrong section and my apologies. I’ve been away from all things bodybuilding and enhancement for over 2 years and am wondering if anyone knows of a place that still sells good peptides. Specifically looking for BPC 157. 

Did one shot 0.6 ml of the test e 250mg and the next day I could have beat someone to death with my dick lol it was glorious haha my last 3 total testosterone scores were 156, 186 and 210 and I haven’t had an erection without trying to create one in probably over a year. I haven’t had blood work yet since I started the test e but I’m going to try in the next couple of weeks. I did notice an immediate sensitivity in a smaller than pea sized lump behind my right nipple. I’m also using the Tbol at 60mg I started the Aromasin EOD and the nolva at 40mg and hoping that will get it to calm the fuck down. Probably going to need to get letro to have on hand. Anyway I’m a week in on the test 150mg and the Tbol at 60mg and I’m cutting and in about a 1500 calorie deficit a day and ive gained 4 pounds in the last week and my arms are 1/4 bigger. Going to see how much I can do on a replacement dose with the 60mg of Tbol. Oh and the test is smooth and EASILY flows through a 27 gauge needle. Wanna try the dbol but not sure if it’s a good idea given the small lump I have already and Ive already had gyno surgery about 10 years ago. Is it possible to get the benefits of the dbol without growing titties do I’m on top of my estrogen with an AI or just take nolva to keep it from actually binding and that way I don’t kill all the estrogen? 
 

sorry I know this is not exactly the place for this but I’d love to hear opinions on the dbol or if I’d just be better off with Tbol or better to add something like NPP for mass when I start bulking 

I ran dbol once when I was in my late 20s about 10 years ago. Stuff was incredible but I did get some coned titties and all that sensitivity that no one wants. I also was dumb and wasn’t running adex and didn’t have nolva.

id like to give dbol another shot but am wondering how to adjust AI dosage from what I’d be running with the 500mg of test e I’ll be using. Is dbol still as effective if I’m running the AI or would I just be better off with something like Tbol? 

I’d like to hear from any of you guys that are on trt and if you blast and cruise and what your protocols look like.

im 38 I’ve run 2 actual cycles of test 500mg in 10 years and even before I cycled my highest blood test came back at 286. For the last 3 years my test have come back 209, 169, 188, 202, 159 112 and 209. So it’s definitely well outside of healthy normal for someone my age. I’m estrogen sensitive and but I’m looking to throw in some compounds during the next year or so just to add some size and make things interesting. Do you guys only use a second compound during a blast? Or is it beneficial to use say deca or npp during your cruise or an oral like dbol or maybe just Tbol or is that a waste of said compounds during a cruise? 
 

thank you for your input. Oh and I’m 6’2” currently 240 pounds around 23-25% bf. I’m currently cutting on my trt dose of 150mg of test e every 7 days. Trying to get down to 10-12% but after that I definitely want to run a blast and see where it takes me.