lilhawk

200 mg of Westward Testosterone Enanthate from HRT doc put me at 1790.

No, if it's legit, then it's legit. However, Turkish pharmacies and pharmacies in India do have counterfeit medications. I'm not saying yours are counterfeit, but when you get the same Humatrope, Serostim, etc. from a United States pharmacy with a script on it, then you can count on it being authentic. Yes, I do know there was a run of Serostim years back that were from US pharmacies that were fake, but that's very rare. Serostim is produced in Switzerland, and distributed by EMD Serono in Massachusetts. Humatrope is produced in United Kingdom and Distributed by Eli Lilly in Indianapolis. So where it's produced doesn't matter. Yours very well could be legit, I hope they are.

You bring up an important point worth noting. Even when comparing the various pharma GH's; peoples results will vary. For me personally there were some pharma GH's(i.e. Genotropin) that made me lean and ripped to the bone and others(i.e. Norditropin) where I put on 10 pounds of water the first week and my muscle bellies were full; with Serostims being somewhere in the middle of the spectrum.

 

Why this difference exists I am still trying to understand, but for some reason it does exist.

Very true about the differences. Some docs I work with speculate it's due to the different fillers used in the different brands of pharm GH. Very good point though, I also noticed Geno had the driest gains of the GH I used. Felt the fullest on Humatrope.

Geo- Just because I have a different opinion than you doesn't mean I don't value your thoughts and opinions. I value everyone's thoughts and opinions here. Even if I have a different viewpoint, or experience. I'm basing my comparison on my experience, I'm not just making it up. I've used pharm GH for years. Mostly Serostim, which I ran for 2 years straight before switching to Greys and blacks, but have also used Sandoz Omnitrope, Nutropin AQ, Humatrope, and Genotropin. Like I said the blacks and Greys are as good as any pharm GH I've used other than Humatrope. I should have clarified that. Humatrope is unreal. I'm going by my experience, not sure why you feel the need to respond as though it's some personal attack on you. I'm telling my experience, and how I feel and look on different GH. I get tired of paying the price for pharm GH, and with the quality of these 2 generics I see no reason to fork out 3x the amount of money for similar results. Now if these generics weren't of the quality they are, then I would continue using Serostim, or another pharm GH. I've used GH for nearly 8 years straight, mostly Serostim. Used Rips before, Novos, and Thanktropins for generics. My brother has competed nationally as well as a friend of mine, and they have the same opinion of the Greys and blacks in comparison. My IGF levels are higher on Greys and blacks than they ever were on Serostim. Not sure as to the other Pharm GH as it pertains to IGF levels because I mostly used Serostim and was tested on that. Platinum has been around forever, and I trust what he says as to the purity and potency of his GH because the results back it up. This is my experience, as well as a couple other people who compete and have nice quality physiques, not some gym rats that started taking shit after 2 months of training. Other people might feel differently and have a different experience. That's great, all I can do is explain my experience.

Or you can buy the meditropes at 150iu a kit at 97% purity for dom 185 bucks Or the greytop greys at 100iu a kit 98 purity for 199 a kit. Seems like a no brainer with me against pharm. Plenty here will tell you the same that has ran pharm and these generics not much difference brother. So if you want to go piss away hunderds of dollars because you think its pharm more power to you. just saying However I think these genos are just relabled counterfits imo

Yep. The Greys and Meditropes are as good as any pharm GH I've ever used, and I've used a lot of different pharm GH.

tthe phamcist here has his 16iu geno kits listed at almost double this price and i know all his sh8t it legit. just be carefuly man, there is a lot of posts around the net that can tell u the difference between real genos and the fake ones.

No offense, but his prices are absolutely insane. I'm not sure why anyone would pay that price for GH, you can get a 126 iu Serostim kit for less than what you'd pay for just 32 iu of Genos from him.

You are wrong about serum numbers generics quite often score higher serum numbers than pharm and I have to disagree about seros scoring in the 30s not saying it never has but I have seen 18 or so also I have ran gh enough to know not being an ass but I didn't wake up yesterday and decide I wanted to take gh and cycle I have taken humatrope serostim blues blacks and real jins from 02 I have checked this place out it is an actual brick and mortar company and I will be taking them up on the offer to visit in the near future. Of course these wouldn't have a script on them since they haven't been prescribed yet

I wasn't insinuating you were a newbie to GH. Just very skeptical about something that available and that cheap. I've used almost all the pharm GH brands from USA and the good generics as well and I guess I read too much into your wording about it seeming real. In general Turkey and India have a lot of counterfeit medications, even in the pharmacies. I hope you have found the gold mine, that's a pretty amazing deal if so. By far and away the cheapest I've seen Genos anywhere, even overseas. Didn't mean to come off as I know it all, as I definitely don't, or that you don't know what you're talking about.

Serums have nothing to do with whether a product is pharm grade or not. If you take 10iu's of the best pharm grade and then take a vial of the shittiest GH in the world but that actually contains 10iu of GH as part of its contents; you should score the exact same.

I understand this. I'm saying most serum scores of GH I've seen and seen from guys that go to the same HRT clinic are well above 30 with 10 iu of Seros for example. I was using Seros as an example.

That serum number is not that good for pharm grade GH. Typically scores on Serostim at the same dose are well into the 30's. Greys and blacks are scoring better than that. I'll stick with what I said. I don't believe those are legit Genos. Any pharm grade GH I've ever gotten had a script on the box. I'd never purchase any Pharm GH that didn't, or from a foreign country. Especially anything from Turkey or India. Also with legit GH, they never seem good to go as there is no doubt you're on legit GH. Within 1 week you should be dramatically more full and round, unbelievable pumps all the time, great sleep, dreams, etc. All the info you were provided is provided by counterfeiters as well. The fakes look exactly like the real thing. If you had legit genos, you'd be a fool to get rid of any of them because for the price you claim they were, you'd know you're sitting on a gold mine and wouldn't get rid of any of them because you never know when they might dry up.

Looks good. Best test I used were the old ICN Galenikas besides the Watson Test Enanthate I get from my HRT doctor now.

Doesn't mean anything if they're licensed to sell it. Places like India and Turkey have counterfeit medications in pharmacies even. I'm saying, that price is way to low to be legit Geno. Yes, they look just like the real thing. That's how they make their money. No script on it, and not from USA pharmacy, wouldn't touch it.

That price is way too cheap for legit Geno. India is known for counterfeit meds. Posting a video won't do much as the counterfeits look exactly like the real thing. If it's not from a USA pharmacy with a script on it, or one with the name ripped off the script label, then I wouldn't touch any pharm grade GH.

Hope it's not the same source that has the Turkish Humatrope for a too good to be true price. You know the saying.

I'm kind of shocked at the number of people that believe these pros, and national level competitors don't take massive dosages of drugs. They all do. Their diets, and training are anything but perfect. Sure they tighten up their diets during contest prep, buy anyone that thinks they eat clean all the time is just naive. Train hard? Some of them do, but a lot of them are just plain lazy. It's all drugs. Anybody can achieve pro size, you just have to be willing to take a pro dosage of drugs. Try 5-7 grams of test per week just as a base, then throw in 20+ iu per day of GH. Watch what happens with just those 2 things, then try and say it's not all drugs that make a pro a pro. Some have genetically better shape than others, and that is what separates them. That, and the ability to keep from getting sick from all the drugs. I know several national level competitors, and none use below 20 iu of GH a day, and 5 grams of test per week. Then add in slin, plus a plethora of other drugs on top of it.

Very cheap, I'd almost be skeptical of them for that cheap. Especially if there's no script on it.

I am prescribed Provigil for daytime sleepiness due to sleep apnea. It is a life saver for me. It's nothing like adderall. Well, it makes you focus like adderall does, but adderall gives a euphoria and has addictive potential, which Provigil does not. Provigil will lift your mood a bit, but without the over the top euphoria adderall gives. Makes you focus and retain information like crazy. Gives alertness and focus for 12-15 hours, then no trouble sleeping at night either. It's not an amphetamine, so no changes in heart rate or blood pressure. Amazing drug. I work in the medical field and a lot of docs, nurses, etc. use it, or adderall. It's hard to use Provigil without insurance because it costs about 25-30 bucks per pill withou insurance. I've used the generic Modafinil from overseas, and it doesn't work nearly as well as USA pharm Provigil. The only adverse effects I get from it are gas, like noticeably more than usual, and urine smells just like the pill itself.

No way, there's an app one can verify their kits with? Revolutionary, I would have never known about it if you didn't mention it. As far as small spikes in temperature when GH is shipped, or moved, it doesn't effect the potency much if any. Not sure why you think every kit of pharm grade GH is stolen because they're not, nor does one have to worry whether or not it was left unrefrigerated if obtained by legal means. As far as going by 'feel' of what is working and what isn't, potency being effected, etc. some people actually get blood work done to verify what is working, and what isn't. Blood work also confirms that the Grey Tops are on par or better than any kit of Serostim I've ever used.

Geo is laying out a lot of truth. I am good on meditropes for months to a year depending on my dosage. But I was planning on stocking up some more. I intend to go with the greytops again (I'd used them before the blacks) just because they have a higher purity that compares favorably with pharm grade. I have seen great serum numbers from the new hygetropin, I think they are overdosed as well to get serum numbers that high. I would try them myself but I like sticking with my sources that have treated me right. Plus for all I know they might start underdosing them to make profits and disappear again. I have noticed a lot of pharm grade coming down in cost; such as humatrope 72iu for less than $300, I ran a couple in fact. One weird thing I noticed was that the water that came in the package smelled odd, kind of an oily smell. I didn't research it to see what the deal was. I used bac water anyway. I worry about counterfeit HG, anything can be counterfeited. At least with the greytops I have a long track record and personal experience to look at. I hope they are available for a long time.

There are no 72 iu Humatrope pens for anywhere close to that cheap. If it's the pens from Turkey, they are junk. Double that price and that is what USA Humatrope 72 iu pens are going for, script on box, straight from pharmacy, and that's a good deal for that price. Unless script was on box, I would never touch any pharm GH, as the fakes look just like the real thing. Humatrope pens have a very distinct smell, actually smells like insulin. The smell is the preservative used.

Geo- not going to quote your post as its way too long. I can't comment on the black tops as I haven't used them yet. I made a simple post as to my experience with all the different brands of pharm GH, and my experience with Grey Tops. I'm a big believer in pharm GH, and always have been, but like I said the Grey Tops are every bit as good or better than any Sersotim I've ever used. Not going to back off or slow down on that comment because they are. I've us pharm GH for many years so it's not some short sighted comment after using a couple kits. I see no reason to pay 3x the amount for a kit of Seros when the Greys are just as good or better. Makes no sense at all. Now if the Greys weren't available, then I would be using Humatrope preferably, or Serostim if Humas weren't available.

As far as pharm grade goes.. Humas, Nutropin AQ, Genos, Seros, in that order. Humatrope and Nutropin seemed very close, but both a bit better than Seros and Genos. All were without a doubt 100% legit. However, I will say that the Grey Tops are every bit as good or better than any kit of Serostim I've ever used. Much better price as well.

Cialis gives a great pump when used pre workout. Causes vasodilation, which increases blood flow to the muscles. Same method of action for sex, increased blood flow through vasodilation. Best thing I used preworkout.

I don't think they'll take more than a pint at a time. When mine was high my doc made me wait 2 weeks between dumping a pint.

Both are good, but I liked Humatrope better as well. Very full, more roundness with Humatrope. The smell with Humatrope and Genotropin is just the preservative used, has nothing to do with how strong they are.

So I seen a video lately that gh can cause water around heart wondering if this is true and maybe whats causing me to get winded easily

Not true in any way, shape, or form.

It's very beneficial. They both work better. Used GH for years, then added IGF, and night and day difference. IGF is injected immediately before workout. You will get such a pump it hurts.